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Grandmaster Wong Kiew Kit passed away on March 1, 2026 in Malaysia. I had the opportunity to study with him in Miami (2005) and Orlando (2008) when he visited the U.S. These were good experiences for me, and I continue to study his methods to this day with one of his former students. I'm also grateful to him for his books. One of them mentioned and showed an illustration of Shibashi (not one of the forms he taught), which I became interested in and subsequently became a big part of my practice.

I know very little about your Grandmaster and his teachings but I know you are a very dedicated practitioner Dainin. I am confident that you will be a vehicle through which his legacy will live on and benefit others. My condolences on your loss _/\_

You are making progress, just continue with what you are doing. Your breathing will be much deeper and deeper. It will become your natural breathing habit. Just breathe like that normally, then, you won't have to be concerned with breathing as you would have before you practiced qigong. Best of all, your body will carry out all the biological functions to keep your body in tune. FYI The metabolism is the healing system. It will repair any damage to the body cells to keep your body in tip top shape. That is progress from the long time practice of qigong. Progress is not accomplished by the hours practice per day. Rather it is by the diligent practice every day for many years to come.

I often think about what I can be doing, feeling like I should be doing more, and one thing that keeps coming up is the silence; connecting with the silence in myself, and helping others to hear the silence, to feel the stillness and spaciousness of Being. In a time when I feel so impotent, I think that inner quiet is so rich with potential that it should not be under-estimated. For me it is far more valuable than expressing and reifying my anger and frustration through social media. What does that do but fan my own flames and those of others? I haven't seen much benefit from it in my own experience. Consequently I've gotten back to teaching more and it's been really rewarding to hear the stories of the benefits of meditation, small and large, in people's lives. One recent story was of a young mom who has been struggling with the chaotic experience of caring for her toddler, worrying about their future... In a particularly frenetic moment she remembered her informal practice and was able to connect with inner stillness and silence. It took her only a few moments and out of that inner peace came the spontaneous warmth of connection with her precious child, transforming frustration into joy. It was beautiful to hear her describe her experience.

Even just 'generally ' I have stopped telling the younger generations how good I had it , its too sad ( for me ) to see the look on their faces . Lust a few examples of what I got ; Free University education - many have a debt hanging over their heads . Virtually unknown for young people to have high personal debts Abundance of cheap housing and good jobs . vehicles and fuel much cheaper ( compared to wages ) etc etc etc

Silence can certainly contribute to violence. Silence can also contribute to solutions to violence. The inner and outer voices that are rooted in emotional reactivity and intellectual over-activity can be a formidable obstacle to discovering something new and unprecedented; and the old answers clearly aren’t working. Creativity comes more often from inner quiet than from strenuous effort.

I see the relevance but please don’t dig too deeply into politics. Thanks.

I spent the day with his Mom .... she is holding up rather well considering - so far . She is still staying with one of her daughters and two women friends - thats probably for the best - one is being her 'secretary ' ( navigating communications with lawyers, mental health etc . the other is emotional support , cooking etc ) so she seems in good hands . I got a call from a younger guy I know that needed to talk as he said 'to someone not in the middle of it' . That means , that although I know the perpetrator's family and friend circle , I dont know the victim's . Thats not the case in the area ; many of the younger people know both and are all interconnected eg ; the victim's remaining two sisters are friends of the perpetrator's two sisters . So there is a lot of 'social shock ' going on out there . However , as it usually pans out IF I am 'emergency needed ' I am called upon and do my best to deliver , after that I am totally ignored and on my own . Thats okay I am used to it and prefer it , so now I am back in hermitage and relatively isolated 'out here ' , suits me fine at the moment - even the local store has a huge cloud of freaked out around it ( those two guys and one of their girl friends had been camped at the local camp ground next door to the shop for a couple of weeks before they moved further out into the wilderness , where 'it' happened . - so they were all well known there ) .

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Prayers for him.

Sorry to hear about his passing. It so happened that one of his books was among the first things that got me interested in taiji and qigong. I credit it with drilling in my mind, in advance of actual practice, the idea that the holy grail of gaining benefits from it all safely is the knees. I never forgot that part and the overall impression of clear to-the-point explanations, which were very valuable for a not-even-beginner-yet getting ready to embark on that journey. RIP, master Wong.

Beautifully written, @stirling. It made me think about the garden of Eden and the subsequent fall. Until man ate from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, we excisted in a state of harmony and oneness. But with knowledge came the fall. The fall from oneness to seperation, from unity to shame. Best wishes.

A complicated question without some definitions. When I think about a "higher will" I think of the "will" (if such a thing were choreographed or planned) of the unity - the Dao, or the dharmakaya, or Crowley's "Do As Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law". The "lower" will is perhaps the will we all believe we have as separate beings in a world of separate things - our thoughts and choice. As it happens, these are a delusion, whether you look at it from a non-dual perspective (Buddhism, Sufism, Daoism, etc.) or, for example, a scientific perspective. Example: Science has actually proven that your hand starts motion BEFORE you decide to pick up a glass, and that, for MOST people we actually perceive reality as much as 1/3rd of a second behind what is actually happening, INCLUDING the seemingly personally directed movement of our own bodies. (The exception is of those who are not continually pre-occupied by their thoughts). Further, no source for our thoughts has ever been discovered - there is only a correlation with thoughts arising and certain kinds of brain activity. Are they even really "our" thoughts? Most dedicated meditators have skills and experience to throw serious shade on this idea. Add to the fact that some function of the mind (or something) actually fills in the center of our vision, and you can be sure that we are likely fabricating a reality that doesn't exist in the way that we think it does. Yes there is science for all of this. As for "higher" or "divine will", this is the idea that there is some "thing" (god or whatever) has a "plan" of some sort and acts through us. This is equally flawed. Who is this we are talking about? Where are they? My suggestion is that one sticks with what can be perceived, since the reality of these ideas is actually perceptible by most with a little effort. Again, meditation is the tool of choice. To see the reality of this is a fairly simple endeavor. The cultivation of seeing from enlightened mind is actually possible when there is identification as simple awareness. You can see, moment to moment, how you construct your relative reality from your thinking process, and how, when it is arrested, that relative story of doing and thinking and subject/object relationships drops away when you stop putting effort into them. What is left is simply things as they are. That "things as they are" is in constant flux. It is change, happening in this moment. This is what your Dao, dharmakaya, or Crowley's "Do As Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law" ARE. What does enlightenment reveal? Astonishingly, it reveals what what you can see is reality, when you look at it without your thinking mind. It reveals that there is the moment, here, now. There is what is happening now. There is an awareness of that, a simple, joyful being. It has never been hidden from you, and isn't even that hard to see, really. All of your thinking, brooding, and conceptualizing has never gotten you closer to seeing it.

I don’t know if I’m imagining it, but your message felt so happy—like a teacher proud of a student’s progress, haha! It made me want to say thank you for your kindness and generous support. I feel so lucky to learn and grow with the help of people like you. truly inspiring!

A fully grown grizzly bear can weigh 1,500 pounds (about as much as 12 of me) and can outrun a horse. Its bite force can crush bones effortlessly, its claws are massive, and its instincts and strength have been refined over millennia to make it into the apex predator in its habitat. And yet 7% of men, according to polls, believe they could win a physical fight against a grizzly bear. Men are strange.

So there was this word, orkhestra, in Ancient Greek. Latin borrowed it thence as orchestra, English borrowed it from Latin as orchestra, and then Japanese borrowed it from English, predictably, as okesutora. Then the Japanese added kara -- empty -- and created karaokesutora, empty orchestra, which they then condensed/shortened into karaoke. Then English borrowed from Japanese this new word, karaoke. Italian (derived from Latin) and Modern Greek (derived from Ancient Greek) borrowed it from English and got their own karaoke. Etymology is strange.

I've never considered myself a Dead head, never even saw them live despite multiple opportunities. Nevertheless, a few of their tunes will always hold a very special place in my heart...

Lynx, my totem animal.

Mark Carney Candaian PM's visit to Oz and his an talk about 'middle powers' ... It could be the seed of a future alternative stance ... maybe ? We certainly need something ... anything ! .... different !

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Ain't that the truth, very sorry @Nungali

Eh? Aye!

Perhaps I should now that Tao is before I respond, but anyhow: Sri Upanishad (very short) https://vedabase.io/en/library/iso/ Isha Upanishad (equally short 😁) https://shlokam.org/text/isha-upanishad-7ES7.htm Sermon on the mount: “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.” -Matthew 6:25–34 The Gita (all of it, but a few favs): «For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me.» «Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.» Asscosation with great sages and bums (with a special shoutout to the Oracle popularly known as @Nungali) The heart sutra https://oshoworld.com/the-heart-sutra-by-osho-01-10 https://www.osho.com/osho-online-library/osho-talks/intelligence-awakening-intellect-e42f5cb9-2f2?p=097a03a2a79d3003f15ebfbd123f987f https://www.amazon.com/Alchemist-Spiritual-Self-Discovery-Novel_Get-Captivating/dp/0062315005 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GLT43ZF8 (By @dwai) Voluspa 61. In wondrous beauty | once again Shall the golden tables | stand mid the grass, Which the gods had owned | in the days of old, 62. Then fields unsowed | bear ripened fruit, All ills grow better, | and Baldr comes back; Baldr and Hoth dwell | in Hropt's battle-hall, And the mighty gods: | would you know yet more? 63. Then Hönir wins | the prophetic wand, And the sons of the brothers | of Tveggi abide In Vindheim now: | would you know yet more? 64. More fair than the sun, | a hall I see, Roofed with gold, | on Gimle it stands; There shall the righteous | rulers dwell, And happiness ever | there shall they have. 65. There comes on high, | all power to hold, A mighty lord, | all lands he rules. 66. From below the dragon | dark comes forth, Nithhogg flying | from Nithafjoll; The bodies of men on | his wings he bears, The serpent bright: | but now must I sink. Havamal 136. Strong is the beam | that raised must be To give an entrance to all; Give it a ring, | or grim will be The wish it would work on thee. 137. I rede thee, Loddfafnir! | and hear thou my rede,-- Profit thou hast if thou hearest, Great thy gain if thou learnest: When ale thou drinkest) | seek might of earth, (For earth cures drink, | and fire cures ills, The oak cures tightness, | the ear cures magic, Rye cures rupture, | the moon cures rage, Grass cures the scab, | and runes the sword-cut;) The field absorbs the flood. 138. I ween that I hung | on the windy tree, Hung there for nights full nine; With the spear I was wounded, | and offered I was To Othin, myself to myself, On the tree that none | may ever know What root beneath it runs. 139. None made me happy | with loaf or horn, And there below I looked; I took up the runes, | shrieking I took them, And forthwith back I fell. 140. Nine mighty songs | I got from the son Of Bolthorn, Bestla's father; And a drink I got | of the goodly mead Poured out from Othrörir. 141. Then began I to thrive, | and wisdom to get, I grew and well I was; Each word led me on | to another word, Each deed to another deed. 142. Runes shalt thou find, | and fateful signs, That the king of singers colored, And the mighty gods have made; Full strong the signs, | full mighty the signs That the ruler of gods doth write. 143. Othin for the gods, | Dain for the elves, And Dvalin for the dwarfs, Alsvith for giants | and all mankind, And some myself I wrote. 144. Knowest how one shall write, | knowest how one shall rede? Knowest how one shall tint, | knowest how one makes trial? Knowest how one shall ask, | knowest how one shall offer? Knowest how one shall send, | knowest how one shall sacrifice? 145. Better no prayer | than too big an offering, By thy getting measure thy gift; Better is none | than too big a sacrifice, . . . . . . . . . . So Thund of old wrote | ere man's race began, Where he rose on high | when home he came And also…. Music.

Hi everyone! I allways read about Taichi, Budhism, Hindu, i meditate, i have practice Kung-fu North Shaolin long ago. I want to learn more about deep meditation, chackras, and share experiencies to evolve togheter! I read a lot about energetic Fields, etc. Thank you

I´m a guy but I did like this quote. It actually doesn´t take much to be considered a difficult woman, that´s why there are so many of us. - Jane Goodall

Maybe a little evil is okay... like I ate two donuts yesterday. There was this donut demon screaming in my ear and I embraced her, and I liked it... : ) There was nothing the broccoli deity could do to save me.

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.... when you get woken up by an early phone call one of those 'you better sit down for this ' ones . I tried to help the kid for years, on and off ; from when he was a toddler up to late 20s . The son of my closest female friend I have at the moment . He has been 'up and down' , last I saw him he didnt look good ... I got that flashing red light thing happening . I told his mum but she was overly mother defensive , claiming she thought he looked good . I said '' What ? We both KNOW he is not 'good' . '' she sad I knocked the bottom out of her world . .. sometimes one just cant get through to another . Anyway , it all broke loose last night . He killed his best friend with an ax at a local camp ground . Areas taped off by police , people totally freaked out , cops be everywhere soon , friend's 'axe murderer son' at large ..... HOOOO - BOY ! I better move into 'high support mode ' .

Works fine now.

Definitely not to much to ask, and I have given it five stars, but for some reason I am not qaulitified by Amazon to leave a written review.

Jane Alexander (SFJane here on at the bums) was of the opinion that psychosis was caused by far too much chi in head centers wreaking havoc, and that getting that energy down helped heal it. She was bipolar and occasionally psychotic and used qigong and meditation to heal that, with an emphasis on dissolving blocks and sinking energy. I observed in forums over the years that those who got psychotic, or near psychotic, through meditative practices seemed to get out of it if they just grounded enough. My own experience of extreme chi deviation bordering on psychosis had the same cause and cure. The cause was too much energy rushing to the head and what reduced the symptoms was getting the energy down. This all made me very curious if grounding practices could be especially important in the healing of regular psychosis, not just the meditation and qigong induced varieties. So, once when I ended up in conversation with a woman in Starbucks that was in and out of psychosis frequently I explained this to her and asked her what she thought about it. She said she found it very interesting because she had once gotten out of a psychotic episode by combining going for an extremely long walk with constantly paying attention to the soles of her feet and their contact with the ground. I also talked about this with a psychologist that worked with people that were recently committed to a psychiatric hospital. She liked the perspective and said a lot of what she does to get those who are lost in psychosis to a place where they can start working in a normal therapy type way was through having them do lots of exercises with their bodies to get them back into reality and in contact with the here and now through their bodies.

I would say that Michael Winn at least approaches it quite a lot better.

I mean it has a picture, bullet-point list and uses science to legitimise the practice. Does it get any more legit than that!? My thoughts: The aim of the practice seems to be to open "the third eye". It also seems to want you to move your awareness all over the place. A lot of "energetic work". In some places it seems a bit too non-specific, may be because it isn't a starter/beginner practice, but then why use the kind of explanatory language that's used to begin with? To me the document seems to be made by somebody who isn't an expert. Who has a basic understanding of the language used within daoist and yogic traditions and maybe the person even learned a practice much like the one described and are now sharing it. My conclusion: If the main aim of the practice is to open the third eye, there's probably better and more stable, tried and true practices for that purpose out there. As for whether it'll lead to qi deviation... no idea.... even legit tried and tested practices can lead to that. Which is why people tend to recommend having a teacher.

Wow! That is so good to hear. I'm glad you liked it. My inspiration is really a combination of Daoist practices, Advaita Vedanta, and Kashmir Shaivism. I love reading story-based texts that have mystery and a deeper/spiritual meaning. Somehow, I enjoy them more than dry texts (either scriptural or academic)... If it is not too much to ask, could you please rate and/or write a brief review so that other readers can find it?

I was aiming for three messages (although a longer post could aim for more.) 1) Any practice falls on the foundation of who you are. If you are a person with a sense of responsibility to yourself, aka self discipline, you are likely to transfer this attitude onto how you go about practicing qigong. That's the message I derive from Person A's experience. 2) You don't have to "believe" in it -- just give it a fair trial period and your results (or lack thereof) will speak louder than any pre-conceived ideas. Positive ones are likely to keep you coming back. Like Person B. 3) Different strokes. Some like rock, some can't stand it and only want opera, which rock aficionados might find extremely annoying. Many people have to watch their diet because they want to lose weight -- but I, for instance, have to watch my diet so as to avoid losing weight. Qigong can be "metabolized" (or not) in a similar vein -- individual preferences (ideally reasonable and sensible rather than whimsical) are allowed a say in what we seek and what we avoid. Person C in my example practices taiji neigong, which makes qigong very optional, and not wanting to practice it, quite reasonable.

https://www.sofiatopia.org/maat/heavenly_cow.htm https://henadology.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/celestial-cow.pdf

Back in the beginnings of TDBs, @Stigweard did a tremendous amount of work with foundational organization. He has recently been producing some insightful, wise, hilariously dark art, "Stuart Shaw Creations". on facebook https://www.facebook.com/stuartshawcreations and his own website https://stuartshawcreations.com/

Happy New Year Sifu Terry and all the Flying Phoenix Practitioners! Or as we say in Singapore, gong xi fa cai!! Huat ah!!! Looking forward to reading both the FP book and the TTP book!

This is typical Chūnibyō syndrome stuff. Many of the threads where this is mentioned were moved to the staff eyes only section, and can no longer be found via google. Here are a few examples, but these are pretty tame comparatively. https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50649-brain-cleansing-in-the-internal-arts/?do=findComment&comment=922530 "Thats why for example, I could watch 20k+ 1000hz high quality movies, or remember past lives, or visualize a whole city projection." https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50381-levitation-and-possibly-flight/?do=findComment&comment=922713 Question: As far as delusions go, you claim to have a harem of goddesses, shoot eye lasers, travel faster than the speed of light, open portals to other worlds to fight ancient 100,000 Naga demons, etc. Answer: "Those aint delusions, these are tiny percentage of extracts from things I have personally encountered on other planes. I have met and seen things you cannot even phantom." https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50710-questions-to-master/?do=findComment&comment=924660 "I had brain implants and other stuff." https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50755-divine-truths-from-master/?do=findComment&comment=926199 "I can easily capture your soul after it leaves the body, and put it inside the stone in my magic underground basement lab. You will be my guest for next 1000 years, and mb you will also learn something, but I will never let you back into "free" life. I might allow you to reincarnate in some of my lab rats." https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50720-what-is-taoism/?do=findComment&comment=926138 "Having third Eye open I can see things that normal humans never can imagine, like a tentacle larvae crawling over an energy egg shaped field which is human. https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/49762-request-access-to-private-gender-subforums/?tab=comments#comment-926426 I am sitting in mountains and meditating while having multiple clones, and one of the clones is dreaming, and he goes internet from dreamworld without any "new age" devices like computer or phone. Old school is best school. " https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50781-western-mopai-censorship-for-sean/?do=findComment&comment=926903 "I have passed through several galaxies in the matter of seconds, so yeah, I was travelling at a much higher speed than Light." https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50720-what-is-taoism/?do=findComment&comment=926577 "Because to go through 1 million years of my own memories of past lives it is quite a work to do unlike googling baidu to find divine truths. When I will be 2000 times stronger than I am now, I may commit myself to this research." https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/50781-western-mopai-censorship-for-sean/?do=findComment&comment=926930 "I was never hurt by people making fun of my levitation ... or portal opening ability. I have had too much of these experiences to be able to doubt it or care about someone else opinion on the topic."

When I was younger, I was naive. I projected my own mindset onto everyone else, assuming they used the same logic I did. Now I realize what a mistake that was. There are people online who are completely disconnected from reality. They are living in a total fantasy world. When you go to a forum to find the group consensus, you expect the answers to have merit. But you have to understand that most of those people aren't qualified to speak. Here is a tool to slice through the BS: Ask what hard, objective evidence exists to back the lineage. If all they have are opinions and stories, then that lineage only achieves subjective goals. It might feel real to them, but they cannot provide evidence to back that belief up. It’s the difference between asking for fashion advice versus measuring the physics of a 50-caliber slug hitting ballistic gel. One has subjective value (personal preferences). The other has objective value (what actually happens).

“This world is full of conflicts and full of things that cannot be reconciled. But there are moments when we can … reconcile and embrace the whole mess, and that’s what I mean by ‘Hallelujah.’” — Leonard Cohen

Caring about craft more than money is always dangerous, but in the best way.

What a pity. I used to know how to preserve fish with just salt and sunlight -- no pepper was used but a whole lot of salt. This fish was a special kind of treat, you only ate it with beer, not as a meal but as a side snack. It was chewy and could get hard like wood if you overdried it, but nobody minded, it was a beer-side classic and surely beat chips hands down.

A strange and dangerous Russian just delivered some food to my home. He owns a fishing boat. He fishes, and then he sells his catch to the Russian, Ukrainian, etc. local community, some of it freshly caught (not frozen) and some of it smoked. He does the smoking (cold and hot) himself too. His prices are very competitive and he charges nothing for delivery. He also makes some foods at home that only Russians and Ukrainians eat (and can't live without), and delivers those too. The ordering process is a mess, timing of arrival more on the "whatever" side, I wound up buying something I didn't order and not getting what I did order. Doesn't matter, it's all delicious and either can't be bought elsewhere, would take me hours of work if I were to make it myself, or very competitively priced. Dangerous because I am inclined to buy more for his trouble than I was planning on, strange because nothing about the operation is business-like, it's so informal and haphazard -- yet convenient and delicious. I remember things being done this way, old country old school... Now it's almost exotic.