Nungali

I think that was one of my first posts here : I am going to fly ! It went on for some time , some buns thought I crazy .... I thought some bums crazy (as they where kinda believing it was possible and encouraging my 'belief' ) ... then I admitted I could fly .... straight down . Gurdjieff ..... Umbrella and enema ? ? ? - you know where he can stick his umbrella .

yes, I did that some time back ... no problem withdrawing it all .... although it did look a little different afterwards

Has 'nature' done that ? or is it our modern life style, conceptions, programming .... something . The reason I ask is that many indigenous people seem NOT to have such a barrier. They live in the 'dreamtime' . Well, in some of the cultures here it is like that .Is not Shamanism another example ?

Nope . It all depends on if the car is reliable or a problem car . Surely ( the car using people ) have encountered this ? If the car is constantly breaking down, I dont need no 'Mirriam Webster' to define if its good for me or not . Virtue ? - judgement call, isnt it ?

I can be both an arsehole and a jerk to others without any need to judge them at all , as lesser greater or equal to me . I am totally non prejudice and non judgmental about who I am an arsehole to . All are equal in my arseholeness. .... some of youmay have noticed this

Maybe a lot of this is from a 'programme' ? .... that one where we all get 'judged' ... at 'the end ' The world has a loooong history of imagining such things ; Sūrat al-Qiyāmah

But surely we use our facilities of judgement all the time ? 'Being judgemental' is using those facilities. What others seem to be protesting about is when a comparative judgment is made with another person to 'look down upon' them ? If you see someone continually borrowing money and not paying it back, do you make a loan to them and write your money off because 'we are all one' , or do you make a judgement call and consider them untrustworthy or unreliable and not make the loan . I know a guy, been a bad junkie for years, a couple of times he has slipped up, forgetting who he is talking to ( me, that is ) and mumbled some feeble excuse to try and get some money. I laugh at him and say 'Its me your talking to.' and he gets an embarrassed sort of laugh and diverts away from that . Doesn't mean I bitch about him, are not friendly to him or help him in other ways . But if you asked me about him ... about if you should loan him money, I would say ' Well, he is a junkie and you probably will not get the money back, he owes heaps of people money. Perhaps people are meaning 'do not condemn others ' ( despise , look down upon , or even judge them as a lesser person )when they say 'dont be judgemental ' ? Might be time to quote Liber Librae again " Be not hasty to condemn others; how knowest thou that in their place, thou couldst have resisted the temptation? And even were it so, why shouldst thou despise one who is weaker than thyself?

.... thats a boxing reference, not a religious one .

Looks like he just wore a right cross .

Exactly what I meant above . I dont 'judge' any one for being an alcoholic , a junkie, a prostitute, a priest, sober, single or married . But if I see someone is constantly drunk AND they drive, and they offer me a lift, I will make a judgement on weather I trust them, if its safe , etc . Or even as simple as if I think someone is telling the truth or not , that's a judgement too . Making a judgement on them if they are a 'good or bad; person for telling THAT lie is different from judging if they are a liar - IMO .

Why ? I disagree . I make lots of judgements, constantly , and it has nothing to do with changing my view . Actually some judgements I make might make me change my view . The complaints seem about certain specific prejudicial judgments , not judgement generally .

YES! Thats 'the other 'type' of judgement . Perhaps prejudice ? Maybe we need two different words ?