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    Does it in any way relate to the following? Start quote “ Still another level maps the shape of the vajra to the map of the subtle body, with intersections representing nadis and chakras, and the perimeter lines mapping to the three main channels (see illustration.) In one subtle interpretation of the vajra, the subtle body and nadis are mapped to the permitter outline (channels) and nadir (intersecting points of the vajra. End quote
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    "There is a God part in you. The consciousness. The pure Self. Learn to listen the voice of that Power.” ~ Amit Ray Beneath the surface level of conditioned thinking in every one of us there is a single living spirit. The still small voice whispering to me in the depths of my consciousness is saying exactly the same thing as the voice whispering to you in your consciousness. 'I want an earth that is healthy, a world at peace, and a heart filled with love.' It doesn't matter if your skin is brown or white or black, or whether you speak English, Japanese, or Malayalam - the voice, says the Gita, is the same in every creature, and it comes from your true Self. ~ Eknath Easwaran We have no need to teach pure motives to the mind. All that is necessary to make the mind pure is to undo the negative conditioning to which it has been subjected; then we will be left with Pure, Unconditioned Awareness. ~ Eknath Easwaran
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    excellent question. normally our files are recorded on a flesh and bones hard drive, our body, which is perishable. so we use the neidan process to manufacture an imperishable flash drive for them, known as the golden body or yang sheng or a vajra body.
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    What makes them more immortal than just an archive?
  7. Enlightenment - what is it?

    Gnosis 😁 @Tommy I dont think anyone has the right to do that on a topic like this. I am interrested in your own interpertation of the term. You go on to talk about the allegory of the cave. I found that interresting. Would you like to expand on it?
  8. Enlightenment - what is it?

    Do you think such a state is even theoretically possible? I belive strongly, that as a human, both delusions, illusions and emotion are unexcapable. In a way, even colour is a «delusion,» it only exists in our minds.
  9. Enlightenment - what is it?

    I think it is exactly the opposite. Perhaps we have different understandings of the term. I refer to 'life force/awareness/soul' or something similar. My belief in its eternity and fundamentality is based on the idea that we don't understand how something non-conscious can become conscious. By definition, we cannot be 'not aware,' and we know it's possible to 'create' seemingly physical things in our minds, such as hallucinations.
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    imo that sounds more like hell
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    your own person, with your individual life experiences, your memories etc. like all user files we have on the hard drive.
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    what then becomes an ‘immortal’?
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    sure man has a soul. it corresponds to the OS in the computer, the heavenly ming;). its a robotic soul.
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    ah! Soul.
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    no ‘soul’ ?
  16. Greetings

    Hi Paul. I think there are threads of interest re.”incidents which defy logic” on the forum. Or you could start a thread about your experiences. Welcome to the forum.
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    The answer is simple but requires accepting man for what he is - a bio-robot. His processor, the brain, is built in such a way, that vague, high-faluting, 'woolly' speech gives him a jolt of physical pleasure, both speaking and listening to it. Its a hard-wired survival mechanism. Hence the supply and demand for such. The cultish behavior, is secondary to it. Note that when asked to specify the wooly speech , the speechifier demurs, because it harshes his mellow. (always observed when i ask for specific examples or definitions). yes thats it, the physical pleasure incentive. Modern biology calls it neurochemical
  18. What is your experience with the Six Healing Sounds

    I was very into this practice some years ago, never really did the practice but I read a LOT about it, maybe I can be helpful. I never practiced it because, as I'll explain, there are so so so so much variations that the more you read the more questions you have, so I decided not to practice without a master. There are a ton of variations for the sounds, different masters use different sounds, in example, I've seen that for the kidneys some say that "chway" is the right pronunciation while others claim that the correct sound is "Huuuu", so you never know. Some say that for you to get real benefits you should whisper the sound, claiming that this is the original and correct way to practice, others say that you should do the sounds out loud, then one time I read that whispering the sound has some different benefits from saying it out loud and both were correct ways to practice........ ============== The six sounds are depleting, what I mean by this is that they deplete the energy of the organ, so you should NEVER do them alone, that's why some masters, and I can include Mantak Chia here, do the "Inner Smile" after the sound to replenish the energy, It's been some time since I read it so I can't really confirm that the Inner Smile practice replenishes the organ's energy, what I remember was that you should never do the sounds alone, it was something like: DEPLETING, REPLENISHING and TONIFYING, something like this, I can't remember the exact details and order, but it was a complete practice not just do the sounds and leave. Gilles Marin a student of Mantak Chia has a great book on all of this stuff of working with each organ and a complete practice on each organ which includes not only the organ but working with the colors associated with it and the tissues, nervous system, so when you work with the kidneys you work with your ears, liver the eyes and etc... the name of the book is "Five Elements, Six Conditions", but I don't recommend doing the practice from the book without a teacher. ============== Once I read from a guy that you should do 6 repetitions of each organ and when you get to the kidneys you should only do 3 repetitions, because the kidneys are already very depleted daily by sexual misconduct and etc... So doing the kidney sound too much can worsen such problems, if you are already depleted this will only make it worse. There's also a correct order to do the practice and I've seen some discussions about it too, some masters don't say nothing about the order and others say that you should start with your liver, there's a reason for starting with the liver, I can't remember exactly why, but I swear it had a really good explanation based on TCM, I just can't remember to explain it here. So my conclusion was that there was a lot of different opinions on EVERY aspect of this practice from various different people, so I decided not to do it, but it's up to you, just be careful. Lately I found out that the best way to practice the "Six Healing Sounds" is by not practicing it at all... They will happen naturally when you start experiencing Zi Fa Gong(spontaneous movements) in your practice and these will help you to clear out traumas, phobias and etc.. at the right time, no need to force it. This process can also happen by running around, jumping, kneeling, screaming, crawling on the ground... Your body will produce the correct sound or body movement to help you clear such stagnations, it happens to me and it's really good, also weird if someone who doesn't understand the process sees you practicing hahaha (yes, my sister thinks I'm crazy hahaha) Damo Mitchell talks about it in his last book "A Comprehensive guide to Daoist NeiGong" and explains this process of Zi Fa Gong with more detail.
  19. Daoist Meditation

    Something you might like, manitou: What Shunryu Suzuki Actually Said I recently had occasion to reread the lecture “Breathing” in “Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind”. Out of curiosity, I then looked for a transcript of the lecture in the Shunryu Suzuki archives set up by David Chadwick. There are differences between the two versions. Here are the last three sentences from “Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind”: So when you practice zazen, your mind should be concentrated on your breathing. This kind of activity is the fundamental activity of the universal being. Without this experience, this practice, it is impossible to attain absolute freedom. (“Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind”, edited by Trudy Dixon, Weatherhill 1971 p 27) Here are the same sentences from the transcript, with the differences highlighted: So, when you practice zazen, your mind should be concentrated in your breathing and this kind of activity is the fundamental activity of the universal being. If so, how you should use your mind is quite clear. Without this experience, or this practice, it is impossible to attain the absolute freedom. (“Thursday Morning Lectures”, November 4th 1965, Los Altos; emphasis added) The transcript is annotated, “(Not Verbatim) Los Altos box title: Swinging Door”. There’s a sentence that’s omitted in the “Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind” version: “if so, how you should use your mind is quite clear”. The transcript may not be verbatim, but I would guess that Suzuki did say something along these lines. There’s a particular transition in zazen that I believe Suzuki was referring to. Here’s a description I made of that transition: The presence of mind can utilize the location of attention to maintain the balance of the body and coordinate activity in the movement of breath, without a particularly conscious effort to do so. There can also come a moment when the movement of breath necessitates the placement of attention at a certain location in the body, or at a series of locations, with the ability to remain awake as the location of attention shifts retained through the exercise of presence. (Common Ground) The mind is “concentrated in the breathing” when the movement of breath necessitates the placement of attention. If the presence of mind continues the placement of attention by the movement of breath, then the role of the mind is clear–that’s the way I read the transcript. Chadwick later confirmed that the transcript was verbatim.
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    Ok, but seriously! The way I've heard that teaching applied is, only when a person recognizes that they are a helpless sinner who is unable to do right, and takes Jesus within, can they let Jesus do right through them. Here's a description I'm currently finishing up of the transition from the third initial concentration to the fourth, and the leap of faith and action solely by virtue of the free location of consciousness is a close parallel to the practice with Jesus above: Gautama described the third concentration as like “water-lilies” of three different colors in a pond, lilies that never break the surface of the water: … free from the fervor of zest, (one) enters and abides in the third musing; (one) steeps and drenches and fills and suffuses this body with a zestless ease so that there is not one particle of the body that is not pervaded by this zestless ease. … just as in a pond of blue, white, and red water-lilies, the plants are born in water, grow in water, come not out of the water, but, sunk in the depths, find nourishment, and from tip to root are steeped, drenched, filled and suffused with cold water so that not a part of them is not pervaded by cold water; even so, (one) steeps (one’s) body in zestless ease. (AN III 25-28, Pali Text Society Vol. III p 18-19) The water-lilies I believe represent the influence of the legs, arms, and head on activity in the abdominals, and consequently on stretch in the ligaments of the spine. The feeling of a combined influence of the extremities in the abdomen could be said to be like lilies of three colors floating under the surface of some body of water. The exact influence of each extremity remains unclear, yet with a sense of gravity and a stretch in particular ligaments, I can arrive at an ease. Gautama declared that the sages abide in the third concentration. I remind myself that the activity of the body in inhalation and exhalation tends toward coordination by the free placement of consciousness, and look for ease. Things can shift from activity of the body coordinated by the free placement of consciousness, to activity that takes place solely by virtue of the free location of consciousness. Here’s Gautama’s description of the fourth concentration: Again, a (person), putting away ease… enters and abides in the fourth musing; seated, (one) suffuses (one’s) body with purity by the pureness of (one’s) mind so that there is not one particle of the body that is not pervaded with purity by the pureness of (one’s) mind. … just as a (person) might sit with (their) head swathed in a clean cloth; even so (one) sits suffusing (their) body with purity… (Pali Text Society AN III 25-28 Vol. III p 18-19, see also MN III 92-93, PTS p 132-134) The transition to activity solely by virtue of the free location of consciousness can involve a leap of faith, as Dogen pointed out: Suppose that you have climbed to the top of a hundred-foot pole, and are told to let go and advance one step further without holding bodily life dear. In such a situation, if you say that you can practice the Buddha-Way only when you are alive, you are not really following your teacher. Consider this carefully. (“Shobogenzo-zuimonki: Sayings of Eihei Dogen Zenji, recorded by Koun Ejo”, 1-13, tr Shohaku Okumura, Soto-Shu Shumucho p 45-46) Complete relinquishment of volitive activity in the body involves letting go of the activity of breath while yet conscious of the need to inhale and exhale. That can feel like letting go of life itself. The location of consciousness in the third concentration is the place from which to “advance one step further”. That location may shift and move, yet that is the place where automatic activity in the movement of breath can be engendered solely by virtue of the location of consciousness. There's more to faith in Jesus, I know, yet I believe the parallel is still there in the first of the further states: There’s a third line about actualization in “Genjo Koan”: Although actualized immediately, the inconceivable may not be apparent. (“Genjo Koan [Actualizing the Fundamental Point]", tr. Tanahashi) Kobun Chino Otogawa gave a practical example of the actualization in that third line, even though he wasn’t talking about “Genjo Koan” at the time: You know, sometimes zazen gets up and walks around. (Lecture at S. F. Zen Center, 1980’s) Activity of the body solely by virtue of the free location of consciousness can sometimes get up and walk around, without any thought to do so. Action like that resembles action that takes place through hypnotic suggestion, but unlike action by hypnotic suggestion, action by virtue of the free location of consciousness can turn out to be timely after the fact. When action turns out to accord with future events in an uncanny way, the source of that action may well be described as “the inconceivable”. I have found that zazen is more likely to “get up and walk around” when the free location of consciousness is accompanied by an extension of friendliness and compassion, an extension beyond the boundaries of the senses. Gautama the Buddha described such an extension: [One] dwells, having suffused the first quarter [of the world] with friendliness, likewise the second, likewise the third, likewise the fourth; just so above, below, across; [one] dwells having suffused the whole world everywhere, in every way, with a mind of friendliness that is far-reaching, wide-spread, immeasurable, without enmity, without malevolence. [One] dwells having suffused the first quarter with a mind of compassion… with a mind of sympathetic joy… with a mind of equanimity that is far-reaching, wide-spread, immeasurable, without enmity, without malevolence. (MN I 38, Pali Text Society Vol I p 48) Gautama said that “the excellence of the heart’s release” through the extension of the mind of compassion was the first of the further concentrations, a concentration called “the infinity of ether” (SN V 118-120, Pali Text Society Vol V p 100-102). The Oxford English Dictionary offers some quotes about “ether”: They [sc. the Brahmins] thought the stars moved, and the planets they called fishes, because they moved in the ether, as fishes do in water. S. Vince, Complete System. Astronomy vol. II. 253 (1799) Plato considered that the stars, chiefly formed of fire, move through the ether, a particularly pure form of air. Popular Astronomy vol. 24 364 (1916) (, as of 6/19/2024) When the free location of consciousness is accompanied by an extension of the mind of compassion, there can be a feeling that the necessity of breath is connected to things that lie outside the boundaries of the senses. That, to me, is an experience of “the infinity of ether”. Ether saves! ok, doesn't have that same feel...
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  22. I´ve been there. If you have a supportive person in your life you can talk to I recommend hanging out -- in person or by phone. Lots of people call suicide prevention hotlines just to talk, so that´s an option too. It´s always good to take suicidal thoughts seriously, even if you´re not actually planning on hurting yourself. It´s a very painful experience. Hope you feel better soon. I´m thinking of you and sending you my best wishes.
  23. Thank you for the concern, and the tips. I'm all cried out over it. Realizing life is not a safe place always. I sometimes just want to cease to exist
  24. Hope you feel better Cadcam. I recommend seeing a psychiatrist if you aren´t already doing that, or at least getting medically checked out however you can. My partner has a psychotic disorder and is feeling some relief with the keto diet. I´d definitely go to a psychiatrist first but the keto diet might be something to consider as a lifestyle add-on. Here´s some info: Metabolic Mind. In general, I think standard good health practices go a long way -- eating good food, getting some exercise, time outdoors, talking with other people rather than isolating.
  25. Can't stand how my head feels. Hard to explain.
  26. He was suspended repeatedly for his aggression, this finally leading to a permanent ban. He earned it via his actions, it was not imposed on him.
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