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Buddhist/Daoist Views Related to Xing/Dharmakaya(Split From What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?)
SodaChanh replied to SodaChanh's topic in Daoist Discussion
Regarding gTummo teachings I heard from Lama Dawai that the order would be Yantra Yoga, then Trulkhor, then gTummo. I did a lot of energy work and found it useful. Though the knowingness of experience so to speak is the same. There are people who just sit in satsangs for 20 years Nisargadatta style with a simple pointing out that everything the mind says is a story and 'unreal' with a pointing to the real. See Sailor Bob Adamson and Sailor Sisters on YouTube for evidence. The view from the top of the mountain is the same. How we get to the top is different. - Today
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Many of you know I don't post much these days, I just try to keep to myself, teach meditation to those who are interested and treat patients. Sadly, one of my students developed a massively superiority complex and I want to squish this drama before it can start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9TghyCOwk The above video is him explaining how it took him only 3 months to faqi, misleading everyone through his completely skewed timeline. He is not only lying to everyone, he is offering teaching which he has no authority to do and posting videos that he was expressively asked not to. He is currently regularly seeing brother wu and made it clear that he only cares about his own financial gain and getting a return on his investment. He outright feels that anything he learned can be taught without repercussion and WITHOUT PERMISSION. He is not authorised to teach anything from Authenticneigong or Gengmenpai, the school of the late Master Jiang Feng headed now by Master Wu (Brother wu to me). I had to step in with this comment on his video. "I think I will just step in here before this turns into a unnecessary battle. Stephen started training with me in April 2022 ( I can prove this ), he took my seminar and did the practices that I teach. I took him on trips to get his health sorted, which was desperately needed. The reason it was free with Brother Wu, from gengmenpai, is because the blockages he had were already resolved on the trips with me. He didn't take 3 months to faqi, it took much longer, was completely and totally assisted. Don't take my word for it, take his own video recommendation for my teaching. This is where his dantian was activated in Nov 2022, this is why his progress was so good. Don't be a chump, give thanks and credit where it is due. This already puts his at training for 6 months, not 3 and his eventual assisted faqi came much later still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH_Ha4XIBA4&list=PLXL0GIY91qaE24wSjfh9aLrAINZnwlqTD&index=5 Also Stephen, Master Jiang specifically asked not to post his videos online, he doesn't want his face online and this is another thing you didn't respect or do. I am asking you now, to show some respect and do what is right. Take down all the videos you were not allowed to post, stop teaching practices you have no authority to teach." He has been lying about who who learned from and who helped him get there, he has been posting videos he has no permission to do, he has been teaching practices which he has no permission to do and has started attacking my student base for calling him out on his lies. Anyone in our discord can see old messages and Stephen posted often of his training, how grateful he was be learning and how he could feel the results, something very different from his recent online videos where he is trying to claim to be a messiah. Unfortunately my comments on his videos can easily be deleted so made this post to warn newcomers to not fall for these lies and definitely don't train with someone who is a beginner themselves. When things eventually go wrong, he was no way of helping you. Hope this helps people not fall into the trap of believing the delusions of a man who clearly does not respect the traditions of internal practices and lineages.
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Brief discussion on the Alchemical Way (丹道) by 寂寥山夫 Jiliao Shanfu
DynamicEquilibrium posted a topic in Daoist Discussion
Below, a revised translation of a brief discussion on the Way of the Elixir or Alchemical Way authored few days ago by a Taoist master under his pen name 寂寥山夫 Jiliao Shanfu. "What qualifies as an "alchemical classic" (丹经) contains at least 85% coded language. Words are merely a vehicle, not the true meaning, the true meaning lies entirely beyond the words. The Wuliu Xianzong (五柳仙宗), which appeared later, is the most "accessible" alchemical classic, yet the author explicitly forbids his successors from making its commentary, saying that whoever comments and annotates is wrong. At the same time, for certain explanations in the book that are relatively detailed, specific, and seemingly very important, the author often negates them with phrases like "the term is right but the method is not," "the term is right but the secret formula is not," "the term is right but the thing is not," "the term is right but the fire is not," and also says: "How can secret formulas be clarified on paper?" A few days ago, I saw again some people giving lectures about alchemical classics without real practice, and I spontaneously wrote several small poems and one short text, as follows. Brief Discussion on the Alchemical Way (by 寂寥山夫 Jiliao Shanfu) Some people may have read a few alchemical classics and already think themselves experts in the Alchemical Way and its cultivation, so they go everywhere giving lectures on alchemical classics. Decades ago, I heard from my senior brother, my master, my master-uncle, and my grand-master that such people are called "alchemical classic baskets" (丹经篓子). A leaky basket cannot hold water, if you force water into it, it will necessarily spill everywhere, leak everywhere, drip everywhere, turning the ground into a real quagmire. "Alchemical classic baskets" have not necessarily taken the time to cultivate themselves step by step with a calm heart, yet they preach alchemical classics everywhere, peddle the notion of the Mysterious Pass (玄关) in all places, speak illusorily of "the single opening of the Mysterious Pass," which has caused "cultivation" to spread like a flood among humans, seriously deviating from the spirit of the Alchemical Way. All who truly cultivate never make a display of their cultivation. All who have entered even slightly into the gate of the Alchemical Way never speak of the Alchemical Way. Everything that deserves to be called an alchemical classic necessarily contains coded language, and the true meaning does not reside in the words themselves. Thus, if one has not obtained the true methods and secret formulas, even if you read the alchemical classics until they're completely worn out, recite them backwards by heart, or carefully analyze every word and study them diligently, you will inevitably take the wrong path. Regarding the characteristic of coded language in alchemical classics, the sages of the past already left teachings: "The last sentence cannot be spoken," "After obtaining the secret formula, one returns to read books with benefit," etc. Once the secret formula is obtained, one suddenly realizes: the words of alchemical classics are just an "empty bowl," they serve to "contain rice," they are absolutely not the "rice" itself, so they absolutely cannot fill the "belly." One also understands: the Mysterious Pass is neither inside the body nor outside the body, it does not leave the inside of the body, nor does it leave the outside of the body. Thus, those who preach alchemical classics and those who respectfully listen to these preachings are all in the situation of "talking about food all day long without ever feeling repleted," and even more "their two feet truly cannot leave the ground, yet they speak in vain of riding mists and mounting clouds." Among the masters of all eras and the true immortals who attained the Way, who accomplished themselves by relying on alchemical classics? It's like with craftsmen: even a simple carpenter who doesn't know how a single character can clearly explain carpentry work; whereas those "theoretical baskets" who know many characters, have read many books, but have never touched adze, chisel, axe, or saw—their words truly don't deserve to be remembered. Since ancient times, people of great aspiration who truly cultivate and truly realize, before obtaining the secret formula, rely on alchemical classics, after obtaining the secret formula, they completely abandon alchemical classics. Hence the saying: Before having obtained the true secret formula, words are all a support, after having obtained the true secret formula, words are all a burden. Since ancient times, all who have succeeded in cultivating the Way have necessarily gone through a process of ten years, twenty years, or even a lifetime visiting enlightened masters to seek methods and secret formulas, but ultimately, those who obtain the secret formulas remain extremely rare. Master Sanfeng (Zhang Sanfeng) only met the True Man Fire Dragon (Huolong Zhenren) at the age of 73 to receive the transmission of secret formulas, and afterwards he attained the Way and returned to Authenticity. The great aspiration of people today has shifted elsewhere. The atmosphere of visiting enlightened masters and seeking secret formulas, still common thirty years ago, is becoming ancient history, becoming the "hearsay" of outsiders who will study insiders in the future. Moved by this atmosphere of "refusing to practice, only loving to preach," "luring sacred roots into ordinary soil," between sadness and sighs, I composed the following small poems. The Mysterious Opening (two poems) First: The mysterious opening connects Heaven and Earth, Its crossroads joins the root of Creation. The lineage of immortals values return to simplicity, To enter sainthood, one depends on this gate. Second: The mysterious opening connects Heaven and Earth, Deep within it hides the light of sun and moon. Concentrating the spirit to contemplate that celestial palace, The empty chamber reflects true constancy. Appearances of "Cultivation" (five poems) First: Great men discuss methods and formulas, Discoursing on paper about longevity. Yet both their feet struggle to leave the ground, While they speak only of affairs above the clouds. Second: Those who cultivate the Way are as numerous as grains of river sand, Their passionate fervor shakes the heavens. Though they harbor ambitions as vast as mountains and seas, They refuse to abandon their worldly attachments. Third: Having pierced through tens of thousands of alchemical classics, Marvelous theories overflow in rivers and lakes. Learning fills a thousand carts to the brim, Yet not a single one truly comprehends the Way's path. Fourth: Marvelous theories scrutinizing Heaven, discoursing on cultivation, One sees only luxury and splendor, never real merit. Talking about food all day long yet never satisfied, Boasting of dreams within dreams, all becomes empty in the end. Fifth: Ten thousand alchemical classics discussed on paper, Cloud poetry and paintings—a sky at the bottom of a well. A thousand scenes become a thousand obstacles, The Way in the void is naturally itself." -
Surrender.
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BG 2:12 Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. So, what to do, being immortal? Adventure, I think. BG 10:36 I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.
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Altso it is… 5 am!
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I still wouldn’t mix up procrastination with stopping the inner dialogue. In the classical works found across many traditions—Buddhism, Daoism, and others—stopping the inner dialogue has been considered a core practice. In Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras it’s expressed as “yogaś citta-vṛtti-nirodhaḥ,” usually translated as “yoga is the cessation of the fluctuations/wandering of the mind.” Accordingly, the state of samadhi there has been described as roughly 30 minutes. Three to four hours without moving and with the inner dialogue stopped is, in my view, just a daily baseline—not some ultimate goal. But in my experience it’s far harder than, say, not eating for a couple of months or something like that. You have to sit without leaning on a wall, not on a chair, without shifting, without repositioning your legs, and so on—until attention naturally turns inward. I don’t think many people could manage that baseline. So there’s no need to fear that everyone will become siddhas. For most people, family life and worldly развлечения will still remain the higher priority.
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the difference is after you do that , then your visualization fantasies are now included in your previous lack of understanding
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No your videos are much more crappy It clearly IS AI .... dumnuts Swearing ? Thats just the way Aussies talk ;
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Buddhist/Daoist Views Related to Xing/Dharmakaya(Split From What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?)
Apech replied to SodaChanh's topic in Daoist Discussion
I think it is a matter of which order you do things in and what emphasis is given. For instance in Karma Pakshi’s three/ four Kaya approach you could argue that the dharmakaya is xing- like while the sambhoga Kaya is tsa- lung related. I have even heard it explained that lojong can be understood as energy work broadly - although I don’t think they would ever actually say that in so many words. -
a valuable comment ! Little Olive came home from school ( kindergarten ) upset ... her mother was livid . I asked what's up . ( Little Olive is very cute and half Morocco , so unlike the other kids in her class ) . Mom ; '' A boy told Olive she looks funny and isnt pretty ! '' Me to Olive ; '' I think I know who that boy was ... he was that boy that needs glasses and does not wear them .'' Olive; '' Does he ?'' Me ; '' Oh yeah , I know that kid . Look, the next time he says that ' you look funny ' just tell him ; ' No I dont ... you need glasses ! ' ''
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Hi Boreas, I'm glad you've completed your treatment and have resumed your FP Qigong practice. Here are answers to your questions (in bold): 1) Should I keep a gentle focus on the lower abdomen while doing opening 3 breaths and during breath formulas? • Yes, it's always optimal to breathe diaphragmatically, expanding the lower belly on the inhalation. And for most practitioners, that calls for a gentle focus on the tan tien (dantien)--not only during the 3 priming breathes, but also during the performance of the breath-control formula. And this is true especially for those who do not have a kung fu or Tai Chi background already. 2) Regarding formula part in itself, after inhaling my 100% and exhaling X%, do I need on the next inhale to breathe in same X% and exhale 100% at same speed? Said another way, should I keep "counting my potatoes" ? Or do I just breathe in and out calmly without counting? • Yes, after you exhale X%, you then inhale the X% for the same duration (at the same speed). The exhale 100%, inhale 100% --both at the same speed-- and the the next percentage exhalation. yes, keep counting "potatoes" with each full (100%) breath and each X-percentage breath exhalation and X-percentage inhalation. You're most welcome. Happy New Year. Sifu Terry https://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html terencedunn.substack.com
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Awesome AI Art to Demonstrate Metaphysical Concepts
Sanity Check posted a topic in General Discussion
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11 hours ago, old3bob said: Btw, the following saying is simple and pure, even transcendent in a way without overly lamenting or trying to be profound even if it is profound for a Christian and really for any religion if understood right, "There but for the grace of God go I". "Now you seem to be saying if it was not for God 's grace you might have become a heavy metal musician ?" by Nungali nope, but my experiences with falls could have been worse and farther...
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Excerpt from BKS Iyengar, "Light on Yoga" "The yogi opposes the evil in the wrong-doer, but not the wrongdoer. He prescribes penance not punishment for a wrong done. Opposition to evil and love for the wrong-doer can live side by side. A drunkard's wife whilst loving him may still oppose his habit. Opposition without love leads to violence; loving the wrong-doer without opposing the evil in him is folly and leads to misery. The yogi knows that to love a person whilst fighting the evil in him is the right course to follow. The battle is won because he fights it with love." ( implied between human beings)
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This isn't my video. It doesn't look like AI. And stop swearing.
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What is your lineage?
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Buddhist/Daoist Views Related to Xing/Dharmakaya(Split From What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?)
Forestgreen replied to SodaChanh's topic in Daoist Discussion
And it is entirely possible to have the same realization with energy work, why so one-sided?. And it is possible to do a lot of work and not having a realization about reality, but having other experiences that a tradition values and call spiritual. It is even possible that, lets say a theravada buddhist, doesn't call it energywork but still practice it, because nomenclature differs between traditions and there is more to it than breathing methods and pushing energy into the head. Just imagine the possibilities😁 I feel that you are playing with words. If you do not think that practice causes realization, why did you spend so much time practicing? Why do you mention that people with a few months of practice might get short spiritual experiences, instead of saying "I watched football with the gang last saturday, and darn if we all didn't have a glimpse of reality"? -
Buddhist/Daoist Views Related to Xing/Dharmakaya(Split From What do you think about Neidan(內丹)?)
MIchael80 replied to SodaChanh's topic in Daoist Discussion
Yeah, these non public south east asian buddhist lineages are super fascinating. They seem to be closer to the Tamil siddha lineages than modern buddhism. (with all their alchemical work etc). Do you want to share a bit more what you have experienced there? -
Anybody else having connectivity problems lately?
Cobie replied to Mark Foote's topic in Forum and Tech Support
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The tradition I study gets a bad reputation because people try to mix it with other techniques, get hurt, and then blame our lineage. It’s like baking a cake, swapping the sugar for salt, and then telling everyone that cake tastes terrible. It’s taken very seriously in my lineage. My teacher once tried mixing in another practice, and when his teacher found out, he made him start over from scratch. He lost years of progress just to undo the damage. Also, this isn't about money. I’ve never been charged a dime, and neither was my teacher. I really wouldn't recommend mixing methods unless you’re okay with creating problems that no one on earth knows how to fix.
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Anybody else having connectivity problems lately?
Master Logray replied to Mark Foote's topic in Forum and Tech Support
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Think of walking an unknown path, navigating in the dark. The odds of getting stuck and getting nowhere are at or infinitely close to 100%. Or walking the path that dozens/hundreds of other people walk, where, as you walk, you can find those ahead/behind you, refer to the qualified guidance and peer experience, where the trail itself is visible. Once you reach the end of the explored path, exploring further requires a very serious skill set, and it is much harder work. It is not something a normal person can do. Telling random people online that they can do that themselves is no different from recommending to commit suicide. If things were that easy and banal, cultivators with siddhis would be as common as grass. Emptying your mind or procrastination is not a legitimate training method.
