Nungali

My first thoughts on this where ; "Not this again ! This is an OLD one ! " But still, I followed along and read the links you posted, and as usual, I have already done my 'other research' , on this ... and was loathe to bring it up, but in this case, I didnt have to as , and it is interesting that they did, the Atlantipedia cite itself , below the article in its reference section links to ; " a more critical review of the ...claims " at https://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/an-underwater-city-west-of-cuba/ where it notes the following; " ... They were astonished to find in the survey off the Guanahacabibes Peninsula that some of the sonar images appeared to depict symmetrical features aligned to a grid. This prompted them to undertake a second survey, using a submersible robot. It was this second survey that returned data that seemed to show pyramids and other structures. Indeed, according to Paulina Zelitsky, the images suggested that the “city” was built from blocks of cut and polished granite. ... (and regarding the depth , although you have presented a postulated, yet unaccepted , explanation - we again encounter the issue of 'selection' , ie, using Plato's details when it suits the situation at hand, and leaving out his details as significant, when they dont - and visa versa ; ) " At no point during the Ice Age would they have been above sea level unless, of course, the land on which they stand has sunk. This is the claim made for Atlantis: according to Plato’s account (the only primary source for it), it was destroyed σεισμῶν ἐξαισίων καὶ κατακλυσμῶν (“by violent earthquakes and floods”). However, if we take Plato at his word – as we must if we assume Atlantis to have been an historical place – the violence of its sinking makes it improbable that an entire city could have survived plunging more than 600 m into an abyss. " Remember that this was μιᾶς ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς χαλεπῆς (“in one fearful day and night”); also recall that διὸ καὶ νῦν ἄπορον καὶ ἀδιερεύνητον γέγονεν τοὐκεῖ πέλαγος͵ πηλοῦ κάρτα βραχέος ἐμποδὼν ὄντος͵ ὃν ἡ νῆσος ἱζομένη παρέσχετο (“and this is why the sea in that are is to this day impassable to navigation, which is hindered by mud just below the surface, the remains of the sunken island”). Rapid sinking would devastate structures; the persistence of mud just below the surface suggests that the sinking was not to a depth of 600-740 m. Unless we are prepared to jettison Plato’s text – the sole source for the story of Atlantis – we cannot identify the features found by Paulina Zelitsky with Atlantis. " The next problem involves trying to understand what the sonar shows. All the fancy graphics showing pyramid-like structures are computer generated: they are not photographs of things seen under the sea. All the detail is limited to the resolution of the side-scan sonar, which is not good enough to determine whether the supposed structures exhibit 90° angles, let alone confirm the claims that some stones are covered in hieroglyphs. The initial images, which do not have the three-dimensional data provided by the side-scanning sonar, show rectilinear but not rigorously right-angled features, so I suspect that the angularity of the generated images is an artefact of the processing, much like many of the details claimed for the ‘Face on Mars’. We have some interesting sonar images that are basically like ink-blot tests: they need interpreting and the interpretation is entirely dependent upon the preconceptions an biases of those looking at them. Paulina Zeltisky was predisposed to see artificiality, because that is what she was being paid to do (even if the artificiality she was specifically interested in involved sunken ships). Others have seen geological formations. - the Wiki article on 'Guanahacabibes Peninsula ancient city ' says much the same . even Ancient origins site cites this ; " In the media storm that followed the announcement of the discovery, news sites were quick to draw parallels with the fabled lost city of Atlantis. However, Zelitsky and Weinzweig were unwilling to make such comparisons. The story is myth, said Zelitsky. "What we have found is more likely remnants of a local culture," once located on a 100-mile "land bridge" that joined Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula with Cuba. Iturralde added that there are local legends of the Maya and native Yucatecos that tell of an island inhabited by their ancestors that vanished beneath the waves. Nevertheless, Iturralde does not discount the possibility that the rock formations are merely the result of the wonders of Mother Nature. “Nature is able to create some really unimaginable structures,” he said. and " The quick dismissal of the story has led some to question whether there has been a suppression of information regarding the finding. However, Fitzpatrick-Matthews claims the story simply went cold and that in the end experts were not convinced that Zelitsky had really discovered a sunken city. " ... and we haven't really heard about it since . Till now https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/what-happened-sunken-city-cuba-001883 .

Bazodemelo i ta pi-ripesonu olanu Na-zodavabebe OX. Casaremeji varanu cahisa vaugeji asa berameji balatoha: goho IAD. Soba miame tarianu ta Iolacis Abaivoninu od azodiajiere riore. Irejila cahisa da das pa-aox busada Caosago, das cahisa od ipuranu telocahe cacureji oisalamahe lonucaho od Vovina carebafe? NIISO! Bagile avavago hohon. NIISO! bagile momao siaionu, od mabezoda IAD oi asa-momare poilape. NIIASA! Zodameranu ciaosi caosago od belioresa od coresi ta a beramiji.

Well ... of course ! Mathew 7:5 and all that . Plus L . L . , of course ! ... Thou then, who hast trials and troubles, rejoice because of them, for in them is Strength, and by their means is a pathway opened unto that Light. How should it be otherwise, O man, whose life is but a day in Eternity, a drop in the Ocean of time; how, were thy trials not many, couldst thou purge thy soul from the dross of earth? Is it but now that the Higher Life is beset with dangers and difficulties; hath it not ever been so with the Sages and Hierophants of the past? They have been persecuted and reviled, they have been tormented of men; yet through this also has their Glory increased. Rejoice therefore, O Initiate, for the greater thy trial the greater thy Triumph. When men shall revile thee, and speak against thee falsely, hath not the Master said, “Blessed art thou!”? 10 years after I closed our school - it still exists ... everything from me being ' not cool ' though to child molesting and Satanism . Alto peeps around here think 'initiation' is cool, as a concept , for the indigenous , for a guy that 'got initiated by shamans in Sth America and goes around town offering to 'remove entities' from people , or something you get from a weekend $1200 workshop ( teepee rental inclusive ) ..... but do it and offer it seriously ? You be the devil ... all of a sudden . And THAT is with the 'open', alternative, semi-non Christians The other type ? Well, some are WAY beyond reason ! " It would be nice if there was someone that you could just kill to make it all end, " Is that that thing when they burn a saint, they supposedly find these little crystal / mineral node things ? I read a debunk on that, they analysed some . ... half a mo' .... here ya go ; Śarīra is a generic term referring to Buddhist relics, although in common usage it usually refers to pearl or crystal-like bead-shaped objects that are purportedly found among the cremated ashes of Buddhist spiritual masters. Relics of the Buddha after cremation are termed dhātu in the Mahaparinibbana Sutta.[1] Śarīra are held to emanate or incite 'blessings' and 'grace' (Sanskrit: adhiṣṭhāna) within the mindstream and experience of those connected to them.[2] Sarira are also believed to ward off evil in the Himalayan Buddhist tradition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śarīra There is evidence that under certain conditions of heating, human bones can form crystalline structures.[4] In one chemical analysis, śarīras were found to be composed of the constituent elements of both bones and stones.[5]

I was referring to my experience with mantra in the Vedic and Buddhist traditions and 'vibrational intoning' / 'incantation' from the western tradition - in that ; " There are few subjects that are more misunderstood in the Western Ceremonial systems of magick than that of the vibratory formula. " http://www.jwmt.org/v1n5/vibratoryform.html

It seems a grounded energy that rises in a vortex and then whips out .... although you seem soft and flexible , almost 'weak' , I can imagine the applications .... a thin steel spring can seem floppy and weak .... until its 'whipped' out . This 'whipping' motion and the movement rising from a firm foundation, up through the body to the extremities is one way of doing some of the techniques that teacher taught . - very 'whippy' and 'flicky' ( but not all his movements like that ) . . . especially his 'big toe' kick ; ... urg, how to explain that .... sorta like a back hand roundhouse kick , you can see the muscles flex going up his leg, the hips twitch , the leg whips out and back, the big toe has been driven into some 'pressure point' . Unfortunately I cant show this stuff here , its all different from what I do and it isnt on internet vids ... Hakatsuru Crane form on internet vids is nothing like my version, (nor is modern 'karate' like what I do either ) , 'Oshima Passai' doesnt seem to exist anymore , those that do know it seem to have no idea about its applications ( a growing trend with other forms ) . About the only public film is an old one, and teacher is getting on a bit too ( I have some private shot ones that show this a lot better ) but anyway , here is teacher doing 'Chinto' a form introduced by the original teacher ( Bushi Matsamura) of this lineage, developed from his fight with a Chinese pirate, who he could not defeat from 1:55 ( Dang ... outa time again ! )

Yes. I have been done by that too .... It seemed related to the plague of 'cursor jump' ... something to do with an over sensitive mouse pad ? (I was told ) .. you tying, and next minute the cursor has moved , once up into the quote box, so it looked i was making up someone else's quote, I missed it in editing . or sometimes there is 'throwback' where a section of an old quote has intruded on a new one, thats weird ! Come on now GS Master ! Quit foolin' around with your projected chi and messin' with our posts !

Hmmm ... perhaps a Master of 'self sarcasm ' ?

P F F F T ! Thats right , if I deny that anyone can direct chi to spontaneously combust paper I am the one with the brain damage .... ... and, I might not be an 'idiot' but might be suffering from irreversible mental damage making me clinically insane ... due to 'magic' Also, its rather disingenuous to conflate magic / channelling practice . It just demonstrates lack of knowledge in the area you are trying to discredit . But whatevers ... you like ' super chi powers' and think anyone can develop them ... but if one practices magic then , according to you, they have brain damage and are clinically insane . Also, I note you refereed to Crowley - who advocated a type of magick known as 'Scientific Illuminism' where one keeps a running record and analysis of results, treating the subject like a modern scientific experiment to analyse its validity and dispel 'hocus-pocus' . A system I practised , which is why I developed the outlook I have on it ... not from reading about it or imagining what I would like to happen . I suppose you can set fire to things from a distance though , eh ? With some people , the fat seems to form in the brain , never mind the 'mental body' .

Thats an interesting perspective. Personally I do not think that sounds have the most powerful effect when imagined mentally, as IME, a 'vocalisation' of a sound vibration , if done properly, sets off all sorts of resonating sympathetic vibrations in various parts of the body that effect and change it . But then again, maybe 'mental sounds' do something similar ...... ?

Well. I am a latecomer to this thread (at the moment ) , I will go back and read the rest when I have time, but the vid caught my eye so I watched it . Yes, I saw lots of things , including some like the moves from a whole variety of forms I do, but in a different way of course ; I could see some of the hakatsuru ( crane) form , '54 steps' , Niharchin forms, even some moves that looked similar to 'staff stealing form 'Oshimi Pasia' ! A lot in there . Towards the end I started to imagine a spiral / vortex energy around you , then, for some reason I was drawn toward the distant landscape and imagined similar vortices spinning up the mountains to take off on the peaks . ... then I thought , I wonder what its like to be there and watching and feeling in person ? More later .... gotta scoot.

No, it was a reference to your ''completely wrong'' answer relating to the statement about ''only intent making them effective'' then giving an explanation that the actual sound of the words themselves carry power ... yet ' chanting silently' in the mind has the most power . The silly .... sorry ... MY silly emoticon ... is about ; if they are VIBRATIONAL and the sounds carry power how can the silent form of them be the most powerful ? Not ; that 'chanting in the mind is the same as intent '.

Okay ... pick a card then .... any card . Nope, I am saying ; it might not necessarily look fake , it is faked , and if some one had such real 'chi powers, why can't they come up with a better demonstration of them ? I got one this morning actually . . . an excellent demonstration of chi powers .... on me ! ( ... and I such a bitch ! being all over rationaland critical and all that ) I have never felt 'electrocuted' (more than 'static' ) ... I have felt 'heat' , and being 'levitated' and thrown across the room ., once so far across the room I hit the wall about 2 metres up ... but it was an old 'Ju-jitsu' room at an old school 'Police Boys Club' , with tatame half way up the wall , just as well. I can effect (certain ) physical objects at a distance . .. especially people and other animals . But I have never witnessed a convincing demonstration of , what might be called, 'telekinesis ' . No, nothing to do with 'enlightenment' .

Good luck - he doesnt usually answer or respond, to anything . I've tried ... all sorts of stuff ... but he be like (after his initial post ) one of them 'buskers' ...

Try 'joining the dots ' ie, draw a line from 1 - 2 -3 .... back to 1 ... and get a surprise works best with a larger number . like one of Benjamin Franklin's 2 8 ; If we attribute the numbers that make up the mathematical formulas or same totals present to a colour and then rotate them ( many squares which seem different are a 90, 180 or 270 deg. rotation ); and to get the 'bigger picture' ; They also remind me of 'Enochian Squares' In this case ^ this square is elementally related to water and instead of each square relating to a number - as in a magic square - and hence their relationships and patterns making mathematical formulas,, each Enochian square relates to a combination of energies ( Kabbalistic, zodiacal, planetary elemental ) and sounds (via the letters in the middle of the squares ) - and hence their relationships and patterns making a language - to speak to the 'angels' or 'activate these energies by sounds ' ; ' call ' , chanting , mantra , etc . ; - a bit like one's computer keyboard, except each button has a 4- way modulation; and when they all squares fit together ; ( which still isnt complete .... it needs to have this placed within it , the right way ... which I aint gonna show here )