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Agreed. I have no idea what happens to someone after a death from suicide. Perhaps it is as terrible as some here have portrayed but I hope not. How cruel that someone should suffer so in this life only to suffer to an even greater degree in the next. My dad committed suicide and I always wonder why he didn´t go to New Zealand instead. He used to talk about going to New Zealand and raising sheep, and he could have done it too, why not. I hope he´s not burning in some terrible hell realm. That wouldn´t seem fair. We didn´t get along very well when I was a kid and I could tell lots of bad stories about him -- and yet he was also a good person. He was a person who did the best he knew how under difficult circumstances. My dad and others like him, people dealing with great emotional pain, deserve our compassion not our condemnation.

Just to interject with the Daoist approach to breathing... Most authentic systems will strongly emphasise not to make any contrived changes to your ‘natural breathing’. Actually the changes come about from ‘Ting’ - absorptive awareness of the breathing process. If you practice it, you’ll notice that all the breathing ‘methods’ spontaneously appear at certain stages by themselves - this even includes reverse breathing, martial fire breathing, embryonic breathing and breath cessation. Any contrivance will create a split in your ‘breath’ and ‘mind’ and the proper conditions and qualities will not be produced - but just imitated.

Pay attention to this: Desiderata GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. By Max Ehrmann © 1927 Original text

Yeah ego is good, just when you focus on thoughts which lessen your consciousness and limit your consciousness, because these thoughts are in contradiction with all that you truely are being and becoming evermore, in freedom and joy, then you feel bad, which is good cause you need to be aware of it to stop doing that, and so you meditate, let go of all thought, because that's simply easy, and you also let go of these resistant energetic self contradictory thought patterns, and voila, you feel good again. And you think freely again, in harmony with your true being of freedom and joy. So you feel good again, you are inspired again, you are capable of flowing the fullness of all that you truely are through you, for the purpose of being, doing or having whatever you want. Of your ever more greater allowed realisation of your evermore greater allowed being and becoming, of all that you truely are being and becoming, of all your true freedom and joy, of evermore allowed freedom and joy. I don't understand how so many teachers have the patience to repeat the same thing over and over again, I mean it feels good when I do it every single time, but because I feel like this truely needs to be repeated over and over again. It's really strange. You should be becoming absolutely mad to keep repeating the same thing, and get the same result, every single time, and love it every single time, so you can't get mad!! ARGH! It just, service is awfull, it's full of awe. you don't get mad, cause you fcking love to enlighten people to how simple it is to become enlightened by simply lightening up on yourself by lightening up on all the insistence of and for all of this unnecessary complexity. Garbage, boom. Out of the way. Gone... Poof. Done, away. Let go and be free, to be, who it is you truely are. By focusing your mind consistently on a rats ass, for all I care... Why? Because no one gives a rats ass! Meditation has never been the point. The point has always been to allow yourself to be all that is who it is and what it is that you truely are being and becoming of the moreness of evermore freedom and joy, evermore. And ongoingly more. For that is who you truely are being and becoming, evermore. So might aswell allow it, and enjoy it. Right? Free to be me. Who it is I truely am. And ofcourse you're suppose to feel good. Like what, you think eternity is going to feel bad? Don't you think that's a little retarded? Well? Don't you? Cause it's A LONG FCKING TIME TO FEEL BAD DON'T YOU THINK? Who ever the fck teaches you to endure pain, they've completely lost their mind! Unless they believe, for whatever reason, that it will feel better for you to do so. So in a sense, they want you to not be afraid of pain, why? Maybe because they experienced something like "I am so afraid of pain that I denied it, and hid my pain away, so now I want people to enjoy the feeling of pain, so that they can receive the value of knowing what they are doing with their own energy, of when they feel bad emotionally, because they are doing something that doesn't serve them. They need to feel that? How else are they ever gonna allow themselves to feel good, and realise their evermore greater being and becoming evermore of all that they truely are in ever expanding freedom and joy otherwise? Oh god... Better teach them meditation in a way also integrate their ability to allow themselves to accept all that they truely are, and make sure they feel their emotional heart guidance feeling. As clearly as possible. Always. Otherwise they're gonna do many stupid things and regret it and live an awful life experience." So you say what? "Ok, good for you man, not my problem, now get the fck out of here, I'm gonna feel good and be myself. whoever the fk I wanna be." Ah... Just go home. Man, I don't understand how teachers don't absolutely fcking lose their mind. God forgive me, for all of the patience I have incurred upon those innocent souls... Oh god... So many of them.... Those poor fcking teachers...

My recommendation? Try both and then do what you want. Assuming you have competent instruction, you really can´t go wrong.

When was that ever the purpose of Satan/the Adversary? I can't think of any story in which his motive or purpose is ultimately good, like as described in the bold. It was always to tempt you toward a dark and destructive path.

Good article. Several things arose for me while reading it . Mostly I was reminded of a similar effect ( which I have written about here a few times. It was a result of a long term practice done 4 times a day; dawn, noon, sunset and midnight. For most, this means the sleep cycle is usually interrupted, usually by the midnight one . So I would set my clock, it would go off I wake up do the practice and after go back to sleep. After some time I am waking up just before the alarm. Feeling smug with myself, I no longer need to set the alarm and am self impressed, as each night somehow awaken automatically and look at the clock - 2 minutes to 12 . But after a while I wake in the morning ( to do the dawn practice ) and I cant remember if I woke at midnight and did a practice then or not. So I used to leave a note for myself. There was some confusion about old notes at one stage so I started dating them ; ' After a while I would awake at dawn and have no memory whatsoever of the midnight practice, yet there is a note on the bedside table , in my hand, dated for last night saying I did the practice. . I do remember being up at midnight and thinking ' Right ! You are awake, < pinch > , you are fully conscious, you are NOT sleepwalking ( and doing things to prove that to myself ) and thinking , I hope that idiot in the morning remembers this . Sometimes the note would detail these activities and that , when read, would stimulate the memory, other times it was as if someone had written it and made it all up - no memory. Then, in the day time I would wonder, who is this person ( or what pert of my psyche ) that automatically gets up at midnight and does the meditation that my day self has no memory of . .... and also, who is this person walking around in the day time, that cannot remember the magical acts of its self the night before . This leads on to even more ' 'self s' , but that might be a bit beyond what we are talking about here - most cant deal with that concept ( it would fall under the 'Hierarchy of beings' theory) [Then again there is another possibly ; when I posted this before Apech said HE had been snaking in forging those notes ) Regarding the set of 3 ( self observer and observations ) this is one way of looking at the Supernal triad in Kabbalah - how 'God' or 'consciousness' came into being .; First there is the 'point' pure awareness of existence with no form or substance . Being self aware, it must be able to reflect on itself , or, there is the self or point and there is the point or selfs Idea about itself , a slightly different and second thing. These two come together to for certain conclusions - the result of that reflection, this is the third thing and makes the non existent first principle triad. Like in everything I practice, I want to see a material or natural expression of it ( ie. in nature or a value to myself ) . The principle of three ( with extensions to 4 ) is invaluable . It permeates all creation and natural laws ( because we live in 3 dimensions ? - with the extension of time through 4th ). In ceremonies rites and initiations, the BEST way to learn about them and have the full experience, and this also applies to martial arts techniques, is to 1. watch . 2, have it 'done to you' . 3 . Do it yourself . Of course, through all this multiple selves selves stuff an anchor or central self is required . - in Magick, it is the magician as King with crown wand and sword (of his own 'Empire' . In Exo-psychology, it is the master controller - neuro electric circuit . That is the 'eye of the storm' - a nice stable place to be ... when all around can be swirling roaring vortex This bit : " But this is a very painful process and something inside doesn't like it. When I ask my teacher about it, he tells me to be patient with myself and not get attached to the observation. If there are flaws in the self (that become evident), then my job is to start working to eliminate them (with compassion ) . " Indeed ! Working with them . A big fault I have seen in magical practice is people eliminating or trying to destroy them - not the 'flaws' but the 'carriers' or, if one can handle such concepts , 'the beings that inhabit and constitute us . Anyway. I have written a lot about this elsewhere, so I won;t repeat it here . I had a physical practice I used to like to do which was very " I of the storm " . If I was feeling a bit beat, or finding it hard to cope with pressure, or just annoyed by the chatter, I would go down to the river rapids and throw myself in, get swirled around and eventually find on of the still points, in a whirl pool of water. in a depth up to my hara, sitting in lotus on the sand , or standing on the bottom. Everything would be swirling and pulling around me, but if I remained calm and still, in that one point, all was stable. As soon as I would move from that centre ... whoosh! carried away by the current .

amen. people are judgemental, religions are judgmental (&controlling) I don't think the universe is. I assume pettiness and punishment to be human constructs, not the Universes. On my first job I sold computers at a small family run store. The big boss was loud and not the nicest, his son who worked under him always seemed nice. After a year and a half, I saved up money, my apartment contract was over, I was just under 25 and could get a cheap Eurail pass, so I quit and went backpacking through Europe. Lived cheaply stayed for a long time, months. When I got back I found out, sadly, that the son had killed himself. He was a little older then me. I wish instead of taking his life, he'd changed locations. Given up on the old life and started one anew. Had gone w/ me to Europe, lived in $10 hostels and pensiones. Traveled, met people.. lived. When there's so much pressure you feel like breaking, move out of the way, start fresh, regain perspective, if you can.

Nice text, thanks for sharing. Have you found out who is the observed or who is the observer? Sounds a bit scary

I was also impressed by the Day One practice videos and particularly liked "nourishing qi." Am a little concerned that some of the strong fire breathing will be overly stimulating for me personally healthwise, but I guess I´ll just take it easy and see how it goes. There does seem to be some muscular tension and visualization -- the two things Freeform warned about -- and yet previous class participants wrote in the forum about physical/mental health benefits. I like Robert´s energy a lot and everything about the course seems well put together.

Have the "two I's" reconciled? Or perhaps more accurately, what does this look like for you today?

Hi folks I'm signed up for the RP Yi jin jing course. So far at times we're using strong fire methods with reverse ab breathing. The activation of tissues/ sinews happens strongly on the exhale, the soft tissue activation reminds me of some of the practices in Yi chuan where there is stretching and pushing. Seems like an effective practice so far. Robert Peng makes the point that it is being taught correctly and a large part of that is correct use of breathing and lower dantian. He presents it well and seems very genuine. I'll report back further down the line.

This thread is for public offering of for sale Videos of some of the levels of Tien Shan Chi Kung, as well as some bits and pieces of Tien Shan, which I am calling Black Dragon Chi Kung. Tien Shan Nei Kung, a vanishingly rare prehistoric system of true nei kung for cultivating super health, longevity, chi power, and spiritual growth. This video shows the beginning level of a vast system which contains thousands of techniques, has interminable depth, and takes decades to learn. It can take you all the way to the mountain top. The beginning levels of Tien Shan are excellent for healing. getting rid of sick energy, cultivating healthy energy, and balancing your energy. It has a genius level of focus on being fast and efficient, no time is wasted on useless or low power methods. This is the type of chi kung described in the book "A Lineage of Dragons" and is the cultivation practice that Master Fook Yueng, who was Bruce Lee's uncle and main kung fu teacher, used for himself to become one of the more powerful and advanced chi kung masters in the world. This is the true beginning level of Tien Shan Chi Kung as taught to Steve Gray by Fook Yueng. It contains hundreds of techniques that the astute practitioner will be able to perceive and practice. The video has a voice over explaining how the movements should be done properly. To succeed in this type of cultivation the student must turn the sound off after one or two times and have it on very rarely if at all after that. You should strive to close your eyes more and more until you can do the whole thing without watching. Students who wish to come here to practice must first memorize this form so that they can do it with eyes closed. This type of chi kung is very different than most, which are bits of systems which some teachers have watered down to make easy to learn, this is a practice that has withstood the test of thousands of years and is specifically for producing super men and women, as described in the video at the end of this post. The DVD is thirty minutes long, I would like to see suggestions for a good price for this - thanks. This is the video which describes the goals and results of Real nei kung: I'll be continuing to edit this as I update the description.

I made a new video today: Tien Shan Chi Kung for Super Athletes (and martial artists) I haven't uploaded the video yet, but this is a brief description of it. As always, some of you will like the insulting parts, and other will not.

here is the thing ; If it was a dog, and the man was hunting, he would follow any and every hint the dog gave of their ' ESP ' . One night, the possom wasnt going to let me inside ; I came home late, walked down the path and he was on the roof, over the door growling. I was " What's with you ? " and he growled more . (Mind you, we usually have a very friendly relationship - not this night ! ). Being tired , I just wanted to go to bed, so I kept going, he leaned out over the roof, more growling. " Hey Dude ! I LIVE here, back off ! " and went to walk under him and he leaned over and starts swiping at me with his claws and making a horrible racket . Only time its ever happened . " Okay... okay ! I go up the back yard and sleep in the caravan ! " - which I did . Dont know what that was about ..... - never happened before or since . ... but I was going to take his 'advise' .

I wonder if it's against forum rules to encourage suicidal people to commit suicide? @dawei A young woman was convicted for doing this very thing in the US.

These things can be quite mechanistic in some ways. For example the Japanese Samurai’s ritual suicide - seppuku - was designed to free one from the possibility of a bad rebirth or existence in a hell realm... The one committing seppuku would cut open their Dantien (as is their duty) and enter a well practiced meditative state (Jhanna) while a friend would stand over them and watch for the signs of Jhanna arising and would cut off their head at that precise moment - so that they die in the Jhanna state - guaranteeing a fortunate rebirth. Much of the spiritual work is preparation for death...

From the Daoist perspective, it depends how exactly you plan to kill yourself. Certain ways of dying guarantee an immediate entry into ‘the hell realms’. Being in the hell realms means you will not reincarnate into human form, but will suffer in (almost) perpetual torment. The torment is usually related to the torment that brought you to kill yourself in the first place. If you kill yourself in a way that allows your Po spirit to be released upon death, then your Hun spirit won’t (necessarily) be dragged down to the hell realms, but would have the chance of reincarnation... although there are many Ming - based issues created if you kill yourself to end suffering, and your rebirth is likely to be a much less fortunate one. I guess you may think ‘how much less fortunate could things really be?’... but you’re prosperous enough to be writing this message on a digital device. Meaning you can read and write, you can afford a device, or have access to one, and you probably live in a first world country. Being able to type means you have fingers and no major mental disability. Visiting a spiritual website suggests you have intellect and some insight even. So at least materially, you’re incredibly lucky... all indications are that if you kill yourself while in this very fortunate life, your next life will be much less materially fortunate. Here’s just one example of a materially less fortunate existence From the Buddhist perspective the outlook is not much better (worse actually). Willingness to harm yourself or others - particularly in the last moments before death creates karma that results in unlimited suffering (dying without this karma limits the amount of suffering). On the other hand - if you’re able to enter Jhanna meditation at the moment of suicide, you’re almost guaranteed a pretty fortunate rebirth

Ofcourse, it is the greater and deeper intention of both, that just indicate that their being, in greater allowed evermore becoming of all that they truely are being the evermore becoming of, means, that at some point, they meet at a junction point of inter-related, inter-changeable, being and becoming, for the purpose of their own greater more fully allowed realisation of growth, of all that they truely are being the evermore being and becoming of evermore, in all directions of evermore greater allowed being and becoming of the evermore fully allowed realisation of their true nature of being and becoming in evermore greater allowed realisations of all the moreness of their ever expanding freedom and joy, evermore. So often, when you truely realise something for what it truely is, the celebration is great. Their identity always expands into more fully allowed realisation, within and without. And that which it is not, is fully supportive of this greater allowed realisation of being and becoming the moreness of their evermore unique being and becoming of evermore greater allowed freedom and joy of their greater allowed being and becoming. You see, when qigong and taichi form a relationship, they don't become less, they become more fully all that they truely are their evermore being and becoming of evermore. And even if you try to make them less, well, they just become more anyway. When you focus on one aspect of your preference, that is wonderful and great, that is the entire point of who you are. To be more fully realised of all that you truely are being and becoming evermore aswell. Of all the things that you enjoy the moreness of. As that is always the path of least resistance to your own evermore fully allowed realisation of your own evermore greater allowed being and becoming the moreness of all that you truely are being and becoming evermore of all the things you truely do want to be your very own evermore allowed and ever expanding unique enjoying of all the moreness of all that you do enjoy the moreness of of your own evermore becoming, which is also why you are also becoming the ever moreness of all of it. And when other people do something else, than you also can also be more fully who you truely are aswell, when you recognize your difference and cherrish it and value it and love it. As you need the other to know the self. Who you truely want to be. As who they truely want to be, being different, is actually what gives you both more freedom to your own unique difference of preference aswell. So often even absolute difference, of absolute opposites, have an absolute exact commanality with one another, that they are both the exact same and exact equal opposite of and to eachother to the exact same equal degree of opposition, which means that they are perfect harmony and co-harmonized blending, of their mutual true union of greater allowed being and becoming of their commonality of absolute equal opposition, and greater allowed power, of fully allowed equality of opposition, of their true being, united and coming thus ever so more fully to their own evermore greater and fully allowed realisation of all that they truely are being and becoming ever much so more fully allowed in and through their greater allowed realisation of self and other and even with and through the self and other. And there is great joy and realisation and empowerment and freedom and knowledge in this allowed realisation of this union of opposites allowing their mutual expansion, through their co-fusing, and becoming the evermoreness of all that they truely are being and becoming evermore so fully and freely and enjoyably. In evermore allowed expansion of extacy and bliss, rapturous bliss, of ever more allowed expanding being and becoming, evermore.