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I hope this is not from qigong book. I think mods should change the title of the thread. The new title should be smth like "My thoughts on qigong cultivation" Otherwise it looks like trolling

I will message you an answer, rather than derail this thread. Anyone who would like to view the answer can PM me. _/\_

Taoist troll Vs Neidan gestapo, a highly anticipated production bring to you by your grandma crossing the street! (the fierce fight between Dragon and Tiger organized by the match maker)

Absolutely... the DAO! There IS only one "teacher". Is this a belief or experience? If the figures are "legendary", are from "Chinese lore", are "associated with embodying" conceptual virtues, serve "deities or emperors" you can't meet, or appear in "fantasy settings" they may POINT to constructed aspects of the Dao, but are simply conceptual constructs, NOT the Dao. The Dao, or "non-duality" is a much deeper reality than any pantheon of "immortals", gods and goddesses that can be attributed conceptual constructs. The Dao HAS no qualities, no embodiment, and is not truly represented by any idea or icon. Who or what becomes "immortal"? The Dao is the only "immortal" thing, but that doesn't mean what you might think it means. It is entirely possible to be shown the Dao, or find it yourself in stillness. It is omnipresent. No-one and no-thing else is required.

That is always what I hope. It is the non-dual experience as it appears to me, expressed in the simplest language I can muster. _/\_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism

Chapter 1 The introduction of Tao 1. 道可道，非常道。 2. 名可名，非常名。 3. 無，名天地之始。 4. 有，名萬物之母。 5. 故常無，欲以觀其妙。 6. 常有，欲以觀其徼。 7. 此兩者同出而異名， 8. 同謂之玄。玄之又玄， 9. 眾妙之門。 Revised as of 2-27-12 / 9-28-23 1. Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. 2. A name that can be named is not an eternal name. 3. Invisible, was a name given to Tao at the origin of sky and earth. 4. Visible, was a name given to Tao as the mother of all things. 5. Hence, when Tao is always invisible, one would grok its quale. 6. When Tao is always visible, one would observe its boundary. 7. These two come from one origin but differ in name, 8. Both are regarded as unfathomable, the most occult and profound; 9. The gate of all changes.

The idea of transformation of three treasures with the follow procedure. 1. Transform 精 into 氣 練精化氣: 透過適當的靜坐、呼吸法，我們可以有效地保留並強化精，達到身體健康和長壽的效果。 Through zazen and the method of breathing, we may be effectively preserve and invigorate 精. Since 精 is the structure of the body, it makes to body healthier and reach the goal of longevity. What it is really saying here? It says we are preserving and invigorating 精 with breathing. Isn't that makes breathing is the key player here? The ancient Taoists practiced breathing and it works for them. Can they explain why it works and how it works. Yes, virtually, they had a way to express it. Somehow, they sure had made it very miserable for the modern people to understand. I must admire the wisdom and intelligence of the Taoist. At least, they came up with the idea of Naidan seems reasonable. However, what about the part of transformation of 氣 and 神? These two processes are taken place inside the body. How do they know what was going on inside the body. Unfortunately, Taoists were explained in their own way. That is why we getting all kinds of wild stories. The problem with the stories was that they were using their esoteric terms only they can comprehend. Can you imaging those who tried to interpret and translate them without the understand of the Taoist language. Hence, we may come to a conclusion the rest of the procedures are immartial. It is because the body will take care itself. People may say whatever they want.

Your experience is inspiring, it resemble a blossoming without obstructions. I don't know how to call the beautiful diversity of experiences coming to a same realization, if you have an idea please tell me ! 😊

TMH (@thememoryhole): "Viktor Frankl on the Importance of Overestimating People"

Isn't the Way always about letting something return to the nature, to let the nature govern? But we are human beings, always trying to rule over everything and everyone, thinking we are the best, the smartest, the only one to be right... To let the nature rule so that nothing is left unattended must really be a very long and difficult Way to follow, a real painful struggle to go through. Different teachings, different teachers, different learners...all forgetting to bow together as one to the nature, the only legitimate master and owner of truth for all living beings. 天之道, 損有餘而補不足. 人之道, 則不然, 損不足以, 奉有餘. How to let the Way of the nature re-order our human ways so that they return to the nature's norm?

Generally speaking, it refers to the right name attributed to the right thing; it is a Confucian concept. Rectifying names, measures, and the writing system. Of course, rectifying names implies rectifying the hierarchical order of society, and from that come the right morals or the proper observation of rites.

Where else would it come from? True knowledge of the Dao comes from teachings that humans have written? This happens all of the time in Buddhism, another non-dual tradition - there is even a name for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratyekabuddhayāna I have actually met one. They are real... and why wouldn't they be, given the nature of the Dao/Enlightenment? I Agree that a realized teacher can be very useful, but completely understanding the Dao isn't a concept that a teacher can pass on, only point to. It isn't an intellectual concept that a person "owns". A realized teacher can point it out anywhere, at any time. Any teacher that pushes the idea that they are somehow the gatekeeper of the Dao isn't fully realized and is greatly deluded.

It depends on sect but from what i know - In the West, northern schools have become widespread, where the main emphasis is on Xing, and Ming, if cultivated at all, is done so to a lesser extent in the initial stages of practice. Ideally, there should be a precise 50/50 balance, otherwise there is a significant risk of deviations. In very rare systems, such a correct ratio of cultivation methods for Xing and Ming exists

People can use whatever words and say whatever they want outside of neidan, but if you are talking about neidan, use the correct terminology and meanings

CD is not a troll, he is very genuine always. And his views are based on a lifetime of serious study and practice. All this agitation about a different opinion - should make you think about your own prejudices. If this was the case, it would be of the utmost importance to study CD's view - forewarned is forearmed. I second that.

Haha! How could I intend to teach? There is no student here. I am so lonely here. I just want to find someone that I can talk to. Hopefully, we can share some common knowledge.

Coincidentally I mentioned quite some time ago his intention was to teach. He was quite unhappy towards my observation.

@ChiDragon Impossible to operate a software without hardware. In the same way, impossible to separate intangible phenomenas from tangible ones, just like we can't separate meanings from caracters, letters, words and sentences etc. If this is what you meant in this thread from the beginning, i couldn't agree more with you. If you used AI to prove a point about virtuality, you are really naughty because AI is somewhat a symptomatic reflection of the body/mind differenciation disease affecting human beings in various ways. Please have a look at this article https://qi-encyclopedia.com/article.php?&id=47 Without 理, no ways to explore 氣, 性 and 命 real meanings. We can't reasonably blame Neidan people for having no interest in discovering the 理 of things, it might break their hearts into pieces doing so and you know how it is difficult to heal a heart arising from a stone hard 信 within one's 命 after it was broken, especially if it was the main 'frequency'. By the way, if we speak about resonance between living beings and between living beings and the nature, we can't use terms like 'vibratory frequencies' or 'quantum entaglements' from physics anymore, it would ruin the feeling. Emphasizing the meaning and value of '求大同, 存小異, 和而不同, 周而不比, 齊物共生' is what i will try my best to do here.

ok If you are a spectator of a virtual concept, which has no physical proof, trying to understand the principle of something you don’t believe in, then why did you start a thread called the practice of neidan? Can you explain this because I am lost at this point.

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The Taoists cannot explicitly explain what was taken place inside the body, but they had given us a big clue why it works was the breathing. Luckily, they had given us a breathing method teaching us how to breathe to practice the method of Neidan.