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Question to teachers, where to find powerful teacher? What are the different levels of teachers?

 

I am only a beginner and finding the right teacher is essential to future success.

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I've got a question:

My practice has a lot of static holds. I find that my shoulders have become very sore, making daily practice difficult. What should I do to counteract this? Should I rest and dismiss the idea of daily practice? Should I continue and hope that the practice will eventually tone up my shoulders to the point where the holds become easier?

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Qigong teacher 

 

1- Practice Reverse Breathing everday 

2- meditation (lower dantian) morning and night at lease 1hr daily

2-taiji everday 30mints to one hour everday 

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What is the definition and criteria of a "teacher " for the purpose of this thread. ?

 

I know what teacher/student means . Im both a teacher and a student but feel more like a teacher than a student.  I don't want to barg in and start teaching until I learn the correct criteria for this thread. 

 

Thanks for reading !!

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to me (I started the thread) the definition is a person who's had years of formal training in an art and has been teaching students for awhile, preferably a couple years.   In general there's no specific definition used, but its nice if a person is experienced and been teaching, rather then a less formal person speaking from opinion. 

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Great,  thanks I guess i'm still a student . I've never done much study in the Te Ching or any formal teaching . I only have my life experience as my reference.  I have done extensive study in subject of polarity . Unity and duality, but that's about all . I may start a fresh topic called Unity/duality . It's not a way of life,  just observations of life and what we observe in life in our everyday life.  For some it will be like fingernails on a chalkboard and for others it will be blissful pleasant music to their ears.

 

   The new topic will be a good place to start teaching for the first time. Then i'll be able to post as a teacher here some day .

 

 

Thanks for the kind reply 

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On 7/20/2018 at 12:09 AM, Maybe said:

I've got a question:

My practice has a lot of static holds. I find that my shoulders have become very sore, making daily practice difficult. What should I do to counteract this? Should I rest and dismiss the idea of daily practice? Should I continue and hope that the practice will eventually tone up my shoulders to the point where the holds become easier?

 

Some suggestions/considerations:

 

Generally static holds take time to work up to because among other things such as the muscles getting acclimated - certain channels need to open up in order to support the holds and it may be that you have jumped ahead of your channels capacities. Start with increments that push the limits just a bit and allow time for them to become relatively easy and then move up a few minutes to another level. 

 

It can also be that you are not breathing deeply enough and or that you are supporting your "efforts" with too much effort and the adrenals are coming in to play. Most students do not breath deeply enough and as frequently as would be most beneficial.

 

It can also be exacerbated by timing - how soon after a meal as an example. Also obviously diet in general. 

 

The posture is obviously a concern but if we go past that and assume your posture is good, breathing OK and overall stance is correct - then where you hold your awareness is often also a simple factor and can easily effect several factors mentioned above. 

 

Are you breathing into your lower dan tien (LDT)?

Breathing and Awareness in this center is particularly helpful to general pain - blocked energies - overloads - and stress/strain. 

It is where the Mountain is owned - it is the root - the base - the foundation - all the limbs have their core strength in this. It is a place of neutrality and power and compassion.

 

If you find that awareness is somewhat difficult to simply have in the LDT - do not worry - but try to have it in the central axis. 

This axis is seen in the gross physical from the perineum to just slightly back of the top of the head - awareness anywhere along this axis is in touch with the root. I am not referring to the central back channel. 

 

Feel your breath as you are in your stance - feel it come in the nostrils - cool the bottom of the eyes balls - circulate near the ears - and pass down into the LDT. Be in the center of your head or in the central core of your middle dan tien - anywhere along the central axis - and find yourself dwelling more and more in the lower dan tien as you are in your stance. Do not pass judgement upon yourself if you float up or down on this axis - simply find yourself there and move down when it occurs to you - if this is difficult it does not matter - awareness in the central axis is a far greater asset.

 

Hand and foot massage prior to practice is extremely helpful - foot is very helpful and hand is generally completely overlooked. 

 

Energies that must move out of the hands may be held there and have repercussions elsewhere. Energies that are required in the side channels and elsewhere will require the feet to open up. Twist the toes and the fingers from side to side and press the tips where small chakrams can often use a boost to open them up. 

 

Bend all the fingers  back and open up the wrists.

 

In general the pain does go away - it will be replaced by a warm effortless sensation.

 

Perhaps this will be of some help

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have a question. How many people, that claim to be teachers here, have actually reached enlightenment? I am not implying anything, so please don't take offense. It's a serious question. To clarify what I mean as enlightened is one: you can connect to everything around you and it is not something you have to do; it is as automatic as breathing. Two you can shift your consciousness to the otherside or deminsion with complete consciousness and for long periods of time or you can operate in both this deminsion and the next at the same time......which is what is really happening in the first part? 

I am just wondering, if my description of enlightenment is the same as yours? With mine this is just the beginning...... I ask because you said for only teachers to answer.....however enlightenment is not a requirement to teach. I am very interested in talking to people at least at this level. My questions are little more complex then answering technique and training questions. Again I know that might sound arrogant, however it is not meant that way. I just want to be clear with my communication. I wish everyone a most wonderful day and may we all uncover what is right in front of us all the time The Dao or God

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14 minutes ago, Tombajo said:

..How many people, that claim to be teachers here, have actually reached enlightenment?.. To clarify what I mean as enlightened is one: you can connect to everything around you and it is not something you have to do; it is as automatic as breathing. Two you can shift your consciousness to the otherside or deminsion with complete consciousness and for long periods of time or you can operate in both this deminsion and the next at the same time....

 

I suspect you're not gonna have much luck looking for interdimensional enlightened masters on the internet.

imo, The best one can hope for is teachers with decades of experience who are far more advanced then you are.  Follow there training, over years or decades and that's how you progress.   Looking for only the ultimate to teach you is more likely to get one involved with con men.  At least until one has a few decades under their belt.

 

In martial arts and/or cultivation arts, look to a teachers advanced students, they are what you're mostly to become.  Not the teacher/master, they have unique..karma.. but the students, how they sit, the depth of their practice and how they're doing in life. 

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12 minutes ago, thelerner said:

 

I suspect you're not gonna have much luck looking for interdimensional enlightened masters on the internet.

@GSmaster, can be contacted at Original Dao. 

@Spotless, hasn't posted in a while. 

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1 minute ago, thelerner said:

 

I suspect you're not gonna have much luck looking for interdimensional enlightened masters on the internet.

imo, The best one can hope for is teachers with decades of experience who are far more advanced then you are.  Follow there training, over years or decades and that's how you progress.   Looking for only the ultimate to teach you is more likely to get one involved with con men. 

 

In martial arts and/or cultivation arts, look to a teachers advanced students, they are what you're mostly to become.  Not the teacher/master, they have unique..karma.. but the students, how they sit, the depth of their practice and how they're doing in life. 

 

Mostly agree, but "how they're doing in life" is a criterion that doesn't apply, far as I can tell.  For the greatest accomplishments, there's been the greatest challenges thrown in the cultivators' path far more often than a red carpet unrolled under every step they took in life.  Not many enlightened beings among the CEOs, the bankers and the media darlings.  Lots of poor beggars, hermits, rebels, victims of mob violence, of ostracism or imprisonment or exile, folks in originally poor health or else crippled by adversities, social "losers" of all kinds.  The particular moment in which you look at their life may not be stellar -- nor what their life is about at all.

 

@Tombajo  This thread is not for those who "claim to be teachers."  It is for those who actually teach. 

 

I teach taiji.  I don't claim anything other than if you want to learn the style I teach, come and I'll teach you, I've done this before and that's how I know I can.  My "enlightenment" or its lack is nobody's business.  Classified. 

And you better believe it when I tell you this:

no one can become "enlightened" as the outcome of trying to prove it to someone else.  The master will offer proof, to someone worthy in her eyes, by maybe offering a peek into her other-dimensional capabilities, when and if she feels like it.  Or not.

 

So, yes, do look for a good teacher in whatever you want to learn.  No one who is not a fraud can offer more to a beginner.

 

 

 

 

 

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I agree, 'How they're doing in life', to me, isn't about money or financial success, rather, do they have there act together?  Inner peace, equanimity as well as having built a good life around them. 

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1 minute ago, thelerner said:

I agree, 'How they're doing in life', to me, isn't about money or financial success, rather, do they have there act together?  Inner peace, equanimity as well as having built a good life around them. 

 

I know that these are your criteria, I didn't mistake them for financial success as your criteria.  What I assert is that King Wen imprisoned by the tyrant of Shang and fed his beloved son for dinner couldn't have shown you a good life around him if you happened to be checking on him in that particular moment.  And the immortal Li Tieguai was a lame beggar with an iron crutch and a drunk -- and chose to take all of these habits with him into his immortality.   And Lady Chang-O, who graduated to be the Goddess of the Moon, as a mortal woman was stuck in an abusive marriage with a cruel bully.  And so on.     

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Maybe assessing "how someone is doing in life" isn´t about figuring out whether or not they are facing obstacles.  It´s not about checking bank balances,  blood pressure, or the status of marriages.  Instead, what´s really telling is how someone reacts to the challenges that inevitably come their way.

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On 9/6/2020 at 11:51 AM, Tombajo said:

I am just wondering, if my description of enlightenment is the same as yours?

 I really liked your post IMO: yes, in my understanding of what enlightenment is, it is just the beginning.:)

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Oh I apologize my social skills need polishing up sense I have spent so much time experimenting with this stuff. I realize I ask something with out giving first. That kind of goes against the basic principle of the Dao. I will make it up to you by answering the question about semen retention or sexual cultivation. I would say the most important thing to realise is why you are doing it in the first place, what difficulties you will face, and how to overcome them. 

1 why : Of course any good daoist should be aiming for immortality. So most seek to stop the energy leakage, however it can definitely be used for enlightenment, which I explain in the last post. Immortality of course is a much higher level then enlightenment. It's important to know what your goal is, because it's much easier to just stop the lost of energy do to ejaculation. Just don't ejaculate.....I know it sounds like it is silly, but you will understand in a second.

 

If you want to actually master your sexual energy and even achieve enlightment, we have to understand the basic principles. We are getting into two problems faced, but I have to explain to you the energetic and physical mechanics of an orgasm. 

 

All energy tends to explode if refined and condense. When this explosion happens it also pushes out in multiple deminsions at the same time. Hence the pleasure you feel is that part of you briefly accessing the higher demsions that are for lack of a better world bliss beyond your understanding. You see this happens, because our awareness is directly connected to our blood. Don't quite know why that is yet, but it is most definitely true. So when you see someone the excits you blood starts to flow toward your sexual organs. The more blood that comes means the more you can feel, which brings more blood, and so on. It creates a feed back loop. When the awareness becomes super concentrated and all your focus is in your sexual center that's when everythings explodes and you have an orgasm. 

 

 

This is why the old advice to think about football or anything to draw your attention away actually works. Of course we want to use this principle not stop it. Most enlightenments happen from these explosions by the way......it doesn't have to be sexual energy or more accurately said energy in your sexual center. 

 

And here is the solution. 

So I will assume your not enlightened (I believe it said this was for beginners) this means you have to use your awareness to actually move your sexual energy. What I mean is you can't feel your whole body at the same time. Moving your awareness will move your energy. 

So let's say your with a partner. I highly recommend you have a partner. You can get good with single cultivation however dual cultivation makes it easier and much faster. You can focus totally on meditating while your partner stimulates you. 

I believe I read the actual instructions earlier in someone's answer. So no need for me to repeat it. It was very good instructions. So have that in mind let's go back to your partner stimulating you. And it's getting hard to control the energy. Instead of keeping your awareness in one spot moving it up your spine and down your front, split it up. What I mean is of course hold your awareness in your sexual center. That's not really an issue do to stimulation. Also hold your awareness in your upper dan tein at the same time. At the same time you are moving your awareness up your spine and down the front. This will require you split your consciousness into three spots at the same time. It is almost impossible for you to have an orgasm, because you are stopping the cycle.....remember all your awareness needs to be there for an orgasm to happen. 

I will warn you.....hahahaha or promise you. The explosion will still happen however it will be your whole body with no semen release. You literally have an whole body orgasm....... If you continue to have multiple fullbody orgasms you can very easily reach enlightenment....... 

I really hope this helps anyone that is interested again the people that answered the question already explain the mechanics beautifully so I refer you to them. If anyone has any input or questions, I will be happy to listen...........I wish everyone much blessing and have a most wonderful day......

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Oh wow it seems some people have taken offense to what I have said. I apologize it wasn't my intention to offend people. However, I suggest you take a look at yourself. Why would you take offense to what I asked? If someone, asking a question offends you; you defintely got a long ways to go... I would focus on learning to cultivate your emotions and focusing on your inner nature. It is obvious that you are living in false realities, that has to do with your inner essence by the way. What a waist for you.......focus on love.....oh well I might as well stop.....I thought this was a place that was about the Dao......that's why I came here to have conversations about new discoveries I made and to be able to have conversations about it. Yet I get talked down to, by people that are obviously struggling, with understanding themselves and their true nature. Wow I am shock to say the least. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

I know that these are your criteria, I didn't mistake them for financial success as your criteria.  What I assert is that King Wen imprisoned by the tyrant of Shang and fed his beloved son for dinner couldn't have shown you a good life around him if you happened to be checking on him in that particular moment.  And the immortal Li Tieguai was a lame beggar with an iron crutch and a drunk -- and chose to take all of these habits with him into his immortality.   And Lady Chang-O, who graduated to be the Goddess of the Moon, as a mortal woman was stuck in an abusive marriage with a cruel bully.  And so on.     

 

I think a part of living a good life has to do with being just fine with who I am, all of it,  even when it’s not necessarily up to expectations, be they my own or others’.

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30 minutes ago, steve said:

 

I think a part of living a good life has to do with being just fine with who I am, all of it,  even when it’s not necessarily up to expectations, be they my own or others’.

 

I have to think some more about this one.  Empirically, I don't know a single conscientious person who is just fine with who they are.  Maybe I need to get out more.  If you are one of them, you are lucky.  For me, self-dissatisfaction is the only engine of growth -- partially because external validation ain't no substitute for the inner cognizance of how I actually played the hand I was dealt and why I did it and what it cost me.  But I don't always have a good excuse.  :) 

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1 hour ago, Tombajo said:

Oh wow it seems some people have taken offense to what I have said. I apologize it wasn't my intention to offend people. However, I suggest you take a look at yourself. Why would you take offense to what I asked? If someone, asking a question offends you; you defintely got a long ways to go... I would focus on learning to cultivate your emotions and focusing on your inner nature. It is obvious that you are living in false realities, that has to do with your inner essence by the way. What a waist for you.......focus on love.....oh well I might as well stop.....I thought this was a place that was about the Dao......that's why I came here to have conversations about new discoveries I made and to be able to have conversations about it. Yet I get talked down to, by people that are obviously struggling, with understanding themselves and their true nature. Wow I am shock to say the least. 

 

 


Your post seems to indicate your own offense at being “talked down to by people who are obviously struggling […]” - while simultaneously talking down to whoever it was you felt had taken offense..

 

As this thread is for asking members who teach questions, my question is then, how would you (any of the actual teachers here) address/resolve/work with this conflict/obscuration/whatnot?
 

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5 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

I have to think some more about this one.  Empirically, I don't know a single conscientious person who is just fine with who they are.  Maybe I need to get out more.  If you are one of them, you are lucky.  For me, self-dissatisfaction is the only engine of growth -- partially because external validation ain't no substitute for the inner cognizance of how I actually played the hand I was dealt and why I did it and what it cost me.  But I don't always have a good excuse.  :) 

 

I know quite a few... I wouldn’t say I’m there. But I think that is one thing the stories of the immortals point at. It goes through all those aspects of who we are. Yes there is dissatisfaction and the drive to improve, and underlying that or embracing it is an ok-ness. Positive judgments and emotions,  negative ones, and an underlying recognition that it is right and good. 

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6 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

 

As this thread is for asking members who teach questions, my question is then, how would you (any of the actual teachers here) resolve this conflict/obscuration/whatnot?
 

 

With a mod's warning for blatant trolling. :D  But if I was asked as a teacher of what I used to teach and no longer do -- languages -- I'd suggest extra work on reading comprehension skills, since it may be that rather than premeditated trolling that is the reason for the "you are offended" attribution to people who most definitely showed no discernible signs of having been offended.

 

 

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1 hour ago, steve said:

 

I think a part of living a good life has to do with being just fine with who I am, all of it,  even when it’s not necessarily up to expectations, be they my own or others’.

 

32 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

I have to think some more about this one.  Empirically, I don't know a single conscientious person who is just fine with who they are.  Maybe I need to get out more.  If you are one of them, you are lucky.  For me, self-dissatisfaction is the only engine of growth -- partially because external validation ain't no substitute for the inner cognizance of how I actually played the hand I was dealt and why I did it and what it cost me.  But I don't always have a good excuse.  :) 

 

Shunryu Suzuki said it best: Each of you is perfect the way you are...and you could use a little improvement. The attitudes of self-acceptance and self-dissatisfaction need not be opposed, but can, and perhaps should, comfortably take up residence in a person right next to each other.  We need both.  Self-dissatisfaction without self-acceptance commonly leads to shame and depression.  Self-acceptance without self-dissatisfaction leads to becoming POTUS.

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6 hours ago, Tombajo said:

I have a question. How many people, that claim to be teachers here, have actually reached enlightenment? I am not implying anything, so please don't take offense. It's a serious question. To clarify what I mean as enlightened is one: you can connect to everything around you and it is not something you have to do; it is as automatic as breathing. Two you can shift your consciousness to the otherside or deminsion with complete consciousness and for long periods of time or you can operate in both this deminsion and the next at the same time......which is what is really happening in the first part? 

I am just wondering, if my description of enlightenment is the same as yours? With mine this is just the beginning...... I ask because you said for only teachers to answer.....however enlightenment is not a requirement to teach. I am very interested in talking to people at least at this level. My questions are little more complex then answering technique and training questions. Again I know that might sound arrogant, however it is not meant that way. I just want to be clear with my communication. I wish everyone a most wonderful day and may we all uncover what is right in front of us all the time The Dao or God

I never plug my school on here, unless asked. Tai Shang Men, Xiao Yao Pai. After initiation you inherit 4 Daoist skills. Most, 3-6 years later, pick up another 20 skills. Many years later, another 20 Daoist skills. Up the ladder, like Flyming, who initiated me, is able to do inter dimensional travel. At initiation, a Hu ha Shen is introduced. And instruction begins. Hu ha Shen visits me in this dimension, arriving from another. Ive not been trying to travel to that dimension myself. I think Flyming is 3rd ranking in the school. Im not sure, haven't asked, at what level one attains that skill. It takes an open mind, open heart, and Sincerity, to get through the initial gates. From there, it is up to the individual, and no guarantees.

 

Edit> I am not a teacher of Xiao Yao Pai. I was initiated 8 years ago.

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