Apech

Don’t make me facepalm you 😀

Indo-Europeans we’re very butch and manly , they didn’t wear padding and helmets to throw a little ball around a field.

Indo-European: Hi there! Chinese: Yo person with a funny hat, how are you. I.E.: Fine, fine, sorry about that bit of an invasion by the way. Ch.: That's ok, it's happened before, it'll happen again. I.E.: I feel quite assimilated now by the way. Ch.: So...what you been up to? I.E.: Well it's strange, I dropped some sticks on the floor this morning and when I looked at the pattern I saw that my heifer will bring forth a piebald calf in the three months. Ch.: Cool, sounds a bit like the ancient traditions of divination we have going back thousands of years. I.E.: Well that's nice of you but it's just a pile of yarrow stalks at the end of the day. Ch.: Well do you mind if I take your method and turn it into the most sublime and sophisticated system of divination ever created by mankind? I.E.: Not at all, knock yourself out! I'd help out but I have a burial mound to build. Ch.: Cheers then and say hi to the Sky Father for me. I.E.: Right! Catch you later Chinese guy. (sorry sometimes when I've been on DaoBums a while my mind just gets out of control).

No he doesn't become Anubis ... Anubis is the guide - like the master of ceremonies. He becomes the little bird under the bed ... and flies up to the Eastern sky to look at the sunrise. This is what is said about seeing the sunrise: [stylesheet-group="0"]{} body{margin:0;} button::-moz-focus-inner,input::-moz-focus-inner{border:0;padding:0;} html{-ms-text-size-adjust:100%;-webkit-text-size-adjust:100%;-webkit-tap-highlight-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);} input::-webkit-search-cancel-button,input::-webkit-search-decoration,input::-webkit-search-results-button,input::-webkit-search-results-decoration{display:none;} [stylesheet-group="1"]{} .css-146c3p1{background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.00);border:0 solid black;box-sizing:border-box;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.00);display:inline;font:14px -apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;position:relative;text-align:start;text-decoration:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;} .css-175oi2r{align-items:stretch;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.00);border:0 solid black;box-sizing:border-box;display:flex;flex-basis:auto;flex-direction:column;flex-shrink:0;list-style:none;margin:0px;min-height:0px;min-width:0px;padding:0px;position:relative;text-decoration:none;z-index:0;} .css-1jxf684{background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.00);border:0 solid black;box-sizing:border-box;color:inherit;display:inline;font:inherit;list-style:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;position:relative;text-align:inherit;text-decoration:none;white-space:inherit;word-wrap:break-word;} .css-9pa8cd{bottom:0px;height:100%;left:0px;opacity:0;position:absolute;right:0px;top:0px;width:100%;z-index:-1;} [stylesheet-group="2"]{} .r-13awgt0{flex:1;} .r-1adg3ll{display:block;} .r-1jkafct{border-bottom-left-radius:2px;border-bottom-right-radius:2px;border-top-left-radius:2px;border-top-right-radius:2px;} .r-1phboty{border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-top-style:solid;} .r-1udh08x{overflow-x:hidden;overflow-y:hidden;} .r-4iw3lz{border-bottom-width:0;border-left-width:0;border-right-width:0;border-top-width:0;} .r-4qtqp9{display:inline-block;} .r-6koalj{display:flex;} .r-bztko3{overflow-x:visible;overflow-y:visible;} .r-crgep1{margin:0px;} .r-hvic4v{display:none;} .r-krxsd3{display:-webkit-box;} .r-rs99b7{border-bottom-width:1px;border-left-width:1px;border-right-width:1px;border-top-width:1px;} .r-sdzlij{border-bottom-left-radius:9999px;border-bottom-right-radius:9999px;border-top-left-radius:9999px;border-top-right-radius:9999px;} .r-t60dpp{padding:0px;} .r-wwvuq4{padding:0;} .r-xoduu5{display:inline-flex;} .r-ywje51{margin:auto;} .r-z2wwpe{border-bottom-left-radius:4px;border-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-right-radius:4px;} [stylesheet-group="2.1"]{} .r-1559e4e{padding-bottom:2px;padding-top:2px;} .r-1fkl15p{padding-left:32px;padding-right:32px;} .r-3o4zer{padding-left:12px;padding-right:12px;} .r-3pj75a{padding-left:16px;padding-right:16px;} .r-cxgwc0{padding-left:24px;padding-right:24px;} .r-dd0y9b{padding-bottom:20px;padding-top:20px;} .r-ddtstp{margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px;} .r-dp7rxi{padding-bottom:40px;padding-top:40px;} .r-f8sm7e{margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;} .r-n7gxbd{padding-left:4px;padding-right:4px;} .r-s49dbf{margin-bottom:1px;margin-top:1px;} .r-sjygvo{padding-left:1em;padding-right:1em;} [stylesheet-group="2.2"]{} .r-15peodp{right:-9999px;} .r-19qo34d{left:-9999px;} .r-1ca1ndr{margin-left:0.5em;} .r-1ez5h0i{margin-left:4px;} .r-1gs4q39{margin-right:4px;} .r-1kkk96v{margin-left:8px;} .r-1kpi4qh{margin-left:0.075em;} .r-1l2kgy{margin-right:0.5em;} .r-1q6cnnd{right:-2px;} .r-1wron08{margin-right:8px;} .r-3t4u6i{margin-left:2px;} .r-45ll9u{left:50%;} .r-5f1w11{left:-2px;} .r-k4bwe5{margin-right:0.075em;} .r-o59np7{padding-right:8px;} .r-ocobd0{right:50%;} .r-qjj4hq{padding-left:8px;} .r-x1x4zq{margin-right:2px;} [stylesheet-group="3"]{} .r-105ug2t{pointer-events:auto!important;} .r-109y4c4{height:1px;} .r-10ptun7{height:16px;} .r-10v3vxq{transform:scaleX(-1);} .r-117bsoe{margin-bottom:20px;} .r-11c0sde{margin-top:24px;} .r-11j9u27{visibility:hidden;} .r-12181gd{box-shadow:0 0 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.03) inset;} .r-12sks89{min-height:22px;} .r-12vffkv>*{pointer-events:auto;} .r-12vffkv{pointer-events:none!important;} .r-12ym1je{width:18px;} .r-135wba7{line-height:24px;} .r-13qz1uu{width:100%;} .r-13wfysu{-webkit-text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-line:none;} .r-146iojx{max-width:300px;} .r-1472mwg{height:24px;} .r-14j79pv{color:rgba(83,100,113,1.00);} .r-14lw9ot{background-color:rgba(255,255,255,1.00);} .r-15ysp7h{min-height:32px;} .r-16dba41{font-weight:400;} .r-16y2uox{flex-grow:1;} .r-176fswd{transform:translateX(-50%) translateY(-50%);} .r-1777fci{justify-content:center;} .r-17bb2tj{animation-duration:0.75s;} .r-17leim2{background-repeat:repeat;} .r-17s6mgv{justify-content:flex-end;} .r-18jsvk2{color:rgba(15,20,25,1.00);} .r-18tzken{width:56px;} .r-18u37iz{flex-direction:row;} .r-18yzcnr{height:22px;} .r-19wmn03{width:20px;} .r-19yznuf{min-height:52px;} .r-1abnn5w{animation-play-state:paused;} .r-1acpoxo{width:36px;} .r-1ad0z5i{word-break:break-all;} .r-1awozwy{align-items:center;} .r-1b43r93{font-size:14px;} .r-1betnmo{max-width:672px;} .r-1blnp2b{width:72px;} .r-1blvdjr{font-size:23px;} .r-1ceczpf{min-height:24px;} .r-1cwl3u0{line-height:16px;} .r-1d2f490{left:0px;} .r-1ddef8g{-webkit-text-decoration-line:underline;text-decoration-line:underline;} .r-1dn12g7{line-height:48px;} .r-1ebb2ja{list-style:none;} .r-1ff274t{text-align:right;} .r-1gkfh8e{font-size:11px;} .r-1h0z5md{justify-content:flex-start;} .r-1h8ys4a{padding-top:4px;} .r-1hjwoze{height:18px;} .r-1iln25a{word-wrap:normal;} .r-1inkyih{font-size:17px;} .r-1ipicw7{width:300px;} .r-1iusvr4{flex-basis:0px;} .r-1janqcz{width:16px;} .r-1jaylin{width:-webkit-max-content;width:-moz-max-content;width:max-content;} .r-1k78y06{font-family:Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif;} .r-1kihuf0{align-self:center;} .r-1ldzwu0{animation-timing-function:linear;} .r-1loqt21{cursor:pointer;} .r-1mlwlqe{flex-basis:auto;} .r-1mrlafo{background-position:0;} .r-1muvv40{animation-iteration-count:infinite;} .r-1mwlp6a{height:56px;} .r-1nao33i{color:rgba(231,233,234,1.00);} .r-1niwhzg{background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.00);} .r-1ny4l3l{outline-style:none;} .r-1oifz5y{background-color:rgba(170,17,0,1.00);} .r-1oszu61{align-items:stretch;} .r-1otgn73{touch-action:manipulation;} .r-1p0dtai{bottom:0px;} .r-1pi2tsx{height:100%;} .r-1ps3wis{min-width:44px;} .r-1qd0xha{font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;} .r-1qi8awa{min-width:36px;} .r-1r5jyh0{min-height:130px;} .r-1r8g8re{height:36px;} .r-1s2hp8q{min-height:26px;} .r-1sxrcry{background-size:auto;} .r-1tl8opc{font-family:"Segoe UI",Meiryo,system-ui,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,sans-serif;} .r-1to6hqq{background-color:rgba(255,212,0,1.00);} .r-1ttztb7{text-align:inherit;} .r-1udbk01{text-overflow:ellipsis;} .r-1v2oles{top:50%;} .r-1vmecro{direction:rtl;} .r-1vr29t4{font-weight:800;} .r-1wb8bfx{text-decoration-thickness:2px;} .r-1wbh5a2{flex-shrink:1;} .r-1wvb978{font-feature-settings:'ss01' on;} .r-1wyyakw{z-index:-1;} .r-1xcajam{position:fixed;} .r-1xk2f4g{clip:rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);} .r-1xnzce8{-moz-user-select:text;-webkit-user-select:text;user-select:text;} .r-1xvli5t{height:1.25em;} .r-1y7e96w{min-width:22px;} .r-1ye8kvj{max-width:600px;} .r-1yef0xd{animation-name:r-11cv4x;} .r-1yjpyg1{font-size:31px;} .r-1ykxob0{top:60%;} .r-2o02ov{margin-top:40px;} .r-2tavb8{background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.60);} .r-2yi16{min-height:36px;} .r-36ujnk{font-style:italic;} .r-37tt59{line-height:32px;} .r-3s2u2q{white-space:nowrap;} .r-417010{z-index:0;} .r-4gszlv{background-size:cover;} .r-4hwcpe{font-family:Vazirmatn, Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif;} .r-4wgw6l{min-width:32px;} .r-54znze{color:rgba(239,243,244,1.00);} .r-56xrmm{line-height:12px;} .r-6026j{background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.85);} .r-633pao{pointer-events:none!important;} .r-6416eg{-moz-transition-property:background-color, box-shadow;-webkit-transition-property:background-color, box-shadow;transition-property:background-color, box-shadow;} .r-64el8z{min-width:52px;} .r-7q8q6z{cursor:default;} .r-8akbws{-webkit-box-orient:vertical;} .r-8jfcpp{top:-2px;} .r-92ng3h{width:1px;} .r-a023e6{font-size:15px;} .r-adyw6z{font-size:20px;} .r-agouwx{transform:translateZ(0);} .r-ah5dr5>*{pointer-events:none;} .r-ah5dr5{pointer-events:auto!important;} .r-aqfbo4{backface-visibility:hidden;} .r-b88u0q{font-weight:700;} .r-bcqeeo{min-width:0px;} .r-bnwqim{position:relative;} .r-bt1l66{min-height:20px;} .r-bvlit7{margin-bottom:-12px;} .r-clrlgt{animation-name:r-imtty0;} .r-deolkf{box-sizing:border-box;} .r-dflpy8{height:1.2em;} .r-dnmrzs{max-width:100%;} .r-ehq7j7{background-size:contain;} .r-emqnss{transform:translateZ(0px);} .r-eqz5dr{flex-direction:column;} .r-ero68b{min-height:40px;} .r-fdjqy7{text-align:left;} .r-fm7h5w{font-family:"TwitterChirpExtendedHeavy","Verdana",-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;} .r-h9hxbl{width:1.2em;} .r-icoktb{opacity:0.5;} .r-ifefl9{min-height:0px;} .r-impgnl{transform:translateX(50%) translateY(-50%);} .r-iphfwy{padding-bottom:4px;} .r-ipm5af{top:0px;} .r-jmul1s{transform:scale(1.1);} .r-jwli3a{color:rgba(255,255,255,1.00);} .r-kemksi{background-color:rgba(0,0,0,1.00);} .r-lp5zef{min-width:24px;} .r-lrsllp{width:24px;} .r-lrvibr{-moz-user-select:none;-webkit-user-select:none;user-select:none;} .r-m6rgpd{vertical-align:text-bottom;} .r-majxgm{font-weight:500;} .r-n6v787{font-size:13px;} .r-nhe8su{animation-duration:0.5s;} .r-nvplwv{animation-timing-function:ease-out;} .r-nwxazl{line-height:40px;} .r-o7ynqc{transition-duration:0.2s;} .r-orgf3d{opacity:0;} .r-peo1c{min-height:44px;} .r-poiln3{font-family:inherit;} .r-pp5qcn{vertical-align:-20%;} .r-q4m81j{text-align:center;} .r-qlhcfr{font-size:0.001px;} .r-qvk6io{line-height:0px;} .r-qvutc0{word-wrap:break-word;} .r-rjixqe{line-height:20px;} .r-rki7wi{bottom:12px;} .r-s67bdx{font-size:48px;} .r-sb58tz{max-width:1000px;} .r-tjvw6i{text-decoration-thickness:1px;} .r-u6sd8q{background-repeat:no-repeat;} .r-u8s1d{position:absolute;} .r-ueyrd6{line-height:36px;} .r-uho16t{font-size:34px;} .r-vkv6oe{min-width:40px;} .r-vlxjld{color:rgba(247,249,249,1.00);} .r-vqxq0j{border:0 solid black;} .r-vrz42v{line-height:28px;} .r-vvn4in{background-position:center;} .r-wy61xf{height:72px;} .r-x3cy2q{background-size:100% 100%;} .r-x572qd{background-color:rgba(247,249,249,1.00);} .r-xigjrr{-webkit-filter:blur(4px);filter:blur(4px);} .r-yc9v9c{width:22px;} .r-yfoy6g{background-color:rgba(21,32,43,1.00);} .r-yn5ncy{animation-fill-mode:both;} .r-yy2aun{font-size:26px;} .r-yyyyoo{fill:currentcolor;} .r-z7pwl0{max-width:700px;} .r-z80fyv{height:20px;} .r-zchlnj{right:0px;} @-webkit-keyframes r-11cv4x{0%{transform:rotate(0deg);}100%{transform:rotate(360deg);}} @-webkit-keyframes r-imtty0{0%{opacity:0;}100%{opacity:1;}} @keyframes r-11cv4x{0%{transform:rotate(0deg);}100%{transform:rotate(360deg);}} @keyframes r-imtty0{0%{opacity:0;}100%{opacity:1;}} .r-8iu2i{position:absolute;visibility:hidden;top:0;width:50px;pointer-events:none} .r-8iu2i.loaded{visibility:visible;top:50vh;width:50px} “I am Atum in the primeval darkness, dwelling in the Great Mansion.I am the one who existed at the beginning of the gods.I am Shu at the beginning of gods and men.I am Re when he rises in the horizon.I am the one who is in the Duat in the primeval darkness.How beautiful is your rising in the sky! He who came forth as Re, who came into being as Atum.Re came forth from Atum,Atum came forth from Re.There is no god who came into being before him."

It's completely irrelevant to the topic but relocation of defeated enemies to remote parts of one's empire is not without precedent. The Persians did it. So there may have been some ancient 'race' mixing I suppose. But the I Ching is essentially Chinese whether or not some peoples moved from A to B in 1000BC or whatever. After all the King James Bible is at the core of the English canon - but of course the Bible comes from the Middle East ... so ... what?

Hello and welcome.

@Tommy I think you might be as enlightened or even more enlightened than most of us. Don't you though feel or sense something mysterious about our existence. When you feel or think these things don't you think it's kind of extraordinary that it's happening at all? In my moments of clarity I feel like this ... a kind of wonder about it all. Maybe you don't - not that it matters.

How strange! I will move everything except Music and Yungdrung Bon somewhere moree appropriate.

Hi and welcome … we are chiefly an English language board so if you could post in English it would be helpful.

It is sometimes called Chapter 16 of the Book of the Dead but is actually the illustration to Chapter 17 - which is the chapter where the 'Osiris N' goes to see the sunrise and recognises himself in the the divine creator power. the illustration shows the horizon (akhet) which is formed by two hills between which the sun rises. On one side seated on the symbol of gold is Isis and on the other Nepthys (the light and dark/up and down cycling energy) and between them is the djed pillar which has four cross pieces which resemble the glyphs for vertebrae ... this si the four body energies of the Sons of Horus related to the four organs we discussed earlier. Above this is the ankh (breath of life) which holds up the sun disk. Above the sun is the sky and on either side the apes (sacred to Thoth) which worship the sun.

That is interesting. Although one could question the idea of deliberate rather than inspired belief, to the extent that the person doing the operation must struggle to convince themself that they really believe something they have deliberately set up. However you could argue that all belief is like this, it is an act of will, a choice to believe. That this initial belief may be reinforced by pragmatic testing such that, if the results work for you, your confidence and thus belief strengthens as you go. Agreed. I can see belief shaping reality and as I suggested above perhaps this is what we always do (?) I think that knowledge is hermeneutical in that it is about how we interpret reality to ourselves. So that two things may operate together. If we practice trial and error pragmatism then faith and confidence come from a kind of higher empiricism. When I was young I was kind of obsessed with this idea … that it must work… be effective and not just philosophical or religious. But I think also that for instance if there is a HGA then this must operate from the beginning. In other words a higher power guides your hand even if you know it not. So for high magic it is more like revealing the truth rather than manufacturing it. You may think you are inventing beliefs without being fully conscious of what it is that attracts you to them in the first place if you see what I mean.

Is there any chance we can discuss chaos magic? Does anyone have anything intelligent to say about it?

Maybe it’s a generational thing - I was aware of chaos theory for at least a decade before Jurassic park.

yes let’s get past it - there’s an interesting discussion to be had here if we let that go.

I am English but I live in Portugal. Oak is Portuguese but lives in England. It’s a kind of yin yang non duality thing.