Nuralshamal

It depends on the person. For me I primarily feel the vibration. It feels like electricity. It's like you feel the very particles of energy moving, vibrating. But now after 100 students some feel it like magnetism, pressure, heat, movement, a spinning, a light, a color or like there's an object there they can attach their awareness to and rest it there until eventually the awareness merges with the object (dharana - dhyana - samadhi). I feel a lot of heat in the muladhara usually, and some of the students I've had also feel heat in muladhara. Some have also felt heat in the crown. I think it depends on the person and their energy. After a while, no matter which chakra, it starts with the energy, but the longer you rest, the dharana - dhyana - samadhi starts to happen, so you eventually merge with the universe, i.e. you go through the 5 koshas and simply rest in peace, bliss and ecstasy. You reach back to your true nature, your origin, and simply rest there.

In SKY system manipura is fire element, heat, metabolism, confidence, vitality, life force and digestion. However it's very connected to spiritual world. Just like we attached to mother through navel, we are attached to spiritual beings through energetic cords in our navel. If we have pure energy, only good souls will attach to us. If not, evil souls will attach to us. Hence manipura should not be meditated on much unless you've complete all levels of SKY, purify your character and are under protection of guru. If you're good, manipura will open to spiritual world, good souls will connect to you and help you in doing good, and finally your astral body can leave through navel and travel the universe. However, other beings can affect you during this journey, so shouldn't be taken lightly. These are SKY view on manipura.

Just wanted to give an update on the Medicine Buddha practice. If you keep going for a longer period, the power grows. I have had a lot of interesting experiences with it now, but it took a lot of time to start to "get going". So if anyone out there is practicing, just wanted to share: be patient, if you get the mantra and practice from a master, it's worth it to keep going in the long term. And also see the master often, building that connection over a longer period of time and seeing the master often gives a level up each time in how much energy you can receive from him. Have seen him 2x times since, and each time all practices he's given me levels up, even if the specific teaching is different. Just connecting to him and the lineage field levels everything up, ofc provided you've been practicing daily without fail in between

Hey everyone, Just wanted to give a quick update. Went to a Vajra Yogini weekend retreat with him, where tummo was integrated into the practice too. Must say it was a huge level up for me. I don't know if it's because I've just been connected to him longer now, so I can receive the energy better, I reached some kind of "critical mass", or if power of mantra is just higher for me than physical, breathing and visualisation alone. But having added the mantra on top now and integrated Vajra Yogini into it, just wanted to say it helped me a lot

Just wanted to give a general SKY update; Will give short summary of pointers of my learnings, then long one where I go in depth with each of the 3 pointers. Short 1) I've initiated about 100 people now, about 10 "all the way" (meaning all levels of SKY) 2) I've learnt some of the secret, hidden, discontinued SKY meditations (pranava, astral travel, manonmani, pidari kann) 3) Been "hit" by the stumbling block of Indian politics MANY times Long 1) I've initiated about 100 people now, about 10 "all the way" (meaning all levels of SKY) 1.1. Power of Vethathiri What I noticed is that Vethathiri's energy comes EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's honestly incredible and mind blowing. Out of 100 people, you'd think it didn't work for some, they didn't feel it, energy didn't come etc. Just like working out, building muscle, cardio, brushing your teeth, no matter if you do everything perfectly, some people just won't suceed. It's the camel curve, or bell curve of average distribution, all are average, then some few big failures and some few big winners. But out of 100, 100 felt the energy. 1.2 Different people's response to the energy Further what I noticed is that people close to me, who love me, or who are just very open to me, receive the energy much more powerfully. E.g. my mom, my wife, my wife's family, my siblings, my cousins, some few coworkers interested in yoga who came to the course (so we knew each other a bit), and again some few "strangers of the internet" who just found my webpage but for some reason were super open to me. All the people who were more open received it so powerfully; e.g. my mom started having visions of the future, visions of her past life, getting lucid dreams, this was her first week of the very first diksha/initation. It was crazy. My wife and her family all also got visions of their ancestors, life guidance, felt the energy strongly and clearly as vibration. My siblings and my cousins went deep into the thuriyateetha state on the very first day of that particular diksha, where you merge completely with the universal state. It took me about 3 years of twice daily practice to stabilize going to that state and staying there. My cousin who's not really into spirituality, though he belives in Almighty God (he's an orthodox Christian), he was quite shocked and stated after the meditation "it was as if I disappeared, I was one with the universe, it was scary! I had to move my arms just to feel I still existed". So his ego was wiped clear, he went to the last and final of the 5 koshas/sheaths and because he had never heard of that experience before, he couldn't understand nor roll with it. Only when I explained afterwards did he understand he had a glimpse of the goal of yoga, union with the universe. One of my childhood friend's little brother saw clear visions of the universe and stars, and also the local spirits in our area observing our meditation from a distance. His ancestors are from the Middle East and Central Asia, so figured he had some kind of connection with shamanism from central Asia since he connected with the world of local land spirits and protectors. 1.3 Personal stories An elderly lady who's quite clairvoyant had 360 vision during the deekshas of the room and got pretty interesting visions and guidance about me and my father's type of energy and life path (as we found out she had met my dad about 5-10 years earlier). What she told me made real sense, she had a vision of my dad as a "flagbearer" in an army, with fire coming out of the footsteps behind his trail. My dad has been main man in taking Indian spirituality to our country, real, authentic and undiluted. Whereas she saw me as an ocean, calmly embracing the planet earth and the universe. As you've read in my different posts, I've been in deep contact with a lot of ancient, traditional spiritualities, and embrace all and share freely. A depressed, early 20s gay guy who had dropped out of his education, moved away from his family in another part of the country, and felt life was meaningless started getting his energy back, feeling vibration and energy, being able to observe his thoughts without getting sucked in and found his new life-path with renewed energy after about 3-5 months of meditation and introspection, having received the thuriya or crown diksha/initiation. I have so many stories to share. I actually feel my heart being touched by all these personal stories, I also feel warm inside. So happy to share what changed my own life. There was also a 60s something gentleman who worked his whole life as a manual laborer. In his youth he had a kundalini experience while trying some yoga, and he had spent 40+ years having that in the back of his mind, just knowing some day he would explore further. e drove 4 hours from the other end of the country to see me and get diksha. He was so content, we actually spent about 60-70 minutes in deep agnya meditation together, where I boosted his chakra many times (which is quite unusual in SKY, in the courses we only meditate 10-20 minutes together, we focus on opening people's energy so they themselves can keep working on it at home). But he had literally spent his whole life waiting for this moment, and drove all the way to get it. So we meditated deeply together. We've stayed in contact via email, and he's now meditating several hours pr day, has bought all my books, and says he finally has hit home with Kundalini and chakras after 40 years of wondering about it. My cousin's boyfriend from Morocco spent 5-7 years following Sadhguru, doing his surya kriya religiously 1 hour every morning, shambhavi, inner engineering, the whole shebang. He works in IT and has even volunteered many hours and weeks to arrange Sadhguru events and come-togethers here in our country. When he did SKY he was so surprised, he was like "I feel the vibration in my agnya.. what's that about?" - I'm like "it's your Kundalini, it's now gone to agnya". "But then.. now what? what do I do?" - "simply observe the vibration when you meditate, it will make it grow stronger". "okay." After 3-6 months he contacted me to try the next level, thuriya or crown chakra. Again he was like "I clearly feel an energy in my crown, it's physical, it feels like the size of a peanut, yet electrical and giving off vibrations. What does that mean?" - "it means your Kundalini has now reached your crown, traditionally seen as the highest yogic realization. Usually they say 12 years to reach agnya, now in 6 months your Kundalini is in your crown". He was like "that's true, sadhguru has said it's 12 years of surya kriya, shambavi etc, and there's still no guarantee". I said "through SKY you just skipped 12 years. You did it in 6 months!" - his eyes widened in disbelief "What... how's that possible?" - "it's the power of SKY and Vethatiri, it's just a way suited for modern people living in the world, instead of celibates on a mountain". His paradigm was shattered, he had done surya kriya daily for 5 years or so, he had spent so much time, money and energy, travel to India, you name it. And now he got it from his girlfriend's cousin in 6 months, easy, simple. That is SKY - SIMPLIFIED Kundalini Yoga. I could go on and on, just wanted to share some stories. It is truly a deep satisfaction in my soul to look back on all these people and how SKY helped them, just like it helped me. 1.4 People's emotionality, personality and enneagram affecting their spiritual journey A big pattern I've discovered is in how people approach the spiritual path in general. E.g. I've had a few 4s, and they crave drama and excitement and feeling special, so instead of choosing a practice and sticking with it 'till completion, they ride their emotional wave of drama, including letting go of authentic paths, should they come across them. Similarly I've seen 2s, they're all about helping others and showing merging heart love, so even if progressing on the spiritual path, they will stop and instead pursue other activities that let them help others instead of cultivating themselves. 3s want to just achieve, peacock and show others their achievements on the social scene, so these will do a lot of "hopping" to whatever is trending, no matter if it's real an authentic, simply to peacock on the social stage 5s will get caught up in reading, studying and understanding, instead of actually practicing. 7s will investigate system after system and compare them with each other endlessly, but not necessarily practice. 9s get complacent and lazy and will tell themselves "anyway, spiritual journey is about letting go, it's all good... so I don't need to practice. It's actually very spiritual of me to let go of my practice". So I have been very, VERY suprised by these patterns. I am personally a 6, which in the "essential enneagram" is all about solidity, stability, accountability and daily discipline until the goal is reached. So the moment I find something "that's real", I will stick with it to the end. That's how I succeeded in SKY. Just a note to self, people will pursue their fixation. Meaning many of the people who came to the SKY courses, no matter how much energy, vibration, spiritual power, visions, glimpses of higher worlds and possiblities, oneness with the universe, you name it. No matter what they experienced, they won't see its value, they will instead "keep on keeping on" with their fixation. This suprised me for the longest time, as I saw people (like the stories I shared above) reaching in just days or weeks what took me many years of twice daily practice without fail to reach. Just to shrug it off and "on to the next thing" in case of 3s, 4s, 5s, 7s, you name it. So this is definitely a surprising observation, that people are not at all rational creatures, we're emotional, we don't necessarily do what makes sense "regarding spiritual progress", but instead choose to act out our fixation instead. We're stuck in "saving the family" by staying in our ego-fixation instead of working through it to realize our soul station (nafsi maqaam and insan al kamil in sufism, enlightened state in buddhism, daoism and hinduism). I also feel I personally "clicked" with SKY as it gave me a solid, stable, disciplined and systematic path to enlightenment as a 6 (trying to save my family by giving them endless support), and reaching that "universal state" in meditation allowed me to touch on my soul nature as a 9. So pay heed to your type if you want to "hack" your spiritual journey and reach your goal. Ask yourself "why do I want to do this?" and see if it's truly from your soul 2) I've learnt some of the secret, hidden, discontinued SKY meditations (pranava, astral travel, manonmani, pidari kann) 2.1 Firstly, was super disappointed with the astral travel meditation, wrote about it here (latest post) https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/56944-found-a-place-that-teaches-astral-travel-but-you-need-to-be-indian/?tab=comments#comment-1065498 2.2 The pranava is very interesting, I feel like it could potentially help with achieving REAL astral projection in the future with continued practice. You "expand your astral body", first vertically (up to the sun, moon, stars, shakti kalam or universal energy state and shiva kalam or universal static state and then back point by point), then horizontally (to the room, to the city, to the country, to the continent, to the earth, then shakti kalam and shiva kalam, then back step by step) 2.3 The manonmani meditation is REALLY good. For simplicity's sake, in SKY you meditate on the front of the body instead of in the center of the body. Simply because people had a hard time finding the correct location with their awareness in their body. These points all on the central front line (ren mai or conception vessel) are called "kshetras" in hinduism or activation points for the chakras in the middle of the body. However if you look up the points in qigong, each also have a spiritual function. E.g. navel that is used for astral travel is called "shen que" or spirit gate, interestingly enough, drawing a parallel between Indian and Chinese understanding of the energy and spirit bodies. The only meditations in the center of the body in current official SKY system are muladhara (hui yin) and sahasrara/thuriya (bai hui). However manonmani is the very centre of the brain, where you meditate directly on the pineal gland. The rogue master that taught me this meditation said that this is the ultimate point for all supernatural powers, inner vision, predicting the future, merging with Divinity, acquiring all knowledge, you name it. I have only shared this meditation with 2 people so far, and unfortunately haven't had enough time to practice to share my own personal experiences, other than that I feel deep peace when I meditate on it. 2.4 Pidari Kann is what is called "the jade pillow" in qigong, the nape of the neck. It's called "the neck eye" in some tamil texts. I feel a real opening of my entire central channel and spine when I meditate on it, but haven't had the chance to go deep with it yet, so still more to be experienced. 3) Been "hit" by the stumbling block of Indian politics MANY times I took about 3 years of me actively pushing and ruthlessly networking before they taught me the final dikshas in SKY, namely how to initiate to the universe as well as how to initiate the "lower chakras" (genital, navel, heart and throat). Similarly, I spent yet another 5 years ruthlessly pushing, pulling, affecting, working, networking before I found this rogue master who taught me Pranava, Manonmani, Pidari Kann, Astral travel and so on. He even shared some of Vethathiri's personal stories and experiences that deeply touched my heart, showcasing the incredible personality and character of this great Guru and Master. I was deeply touched to learn more about the man that changed my life through SKY. So just want to warn everyone out there if you personally want to progress to master level - be prepared for some serious corruption, confusion, indian power play, politics and downright tyrannical dictatorship if you want to become a full master. I also discussed this with Steven Sadleir who's one of the few "white masters" out there still teaching SKY, and he gave me his own crazy stories of direct contact with corrupt, Indian power play politics in both the US and India. So be warned and be prepared if you ever reach this level.

Dear friends, It's now been 3 years, and I've completed all 3 levels of DeviPuram Sri Vidya, including going there 2 times for 7-10 days each time. What I will say is the following: 1) The Sri Vidya is real, 2) The sex practices have gone underground since the mahasamadhi (passing) of Guru Amritananda, 3) There are some weird vibes going on in DeviPuram (a clash between the spiritual energies of power and peace, with animalistic desires, power play, politics, dominance etc), So definitely go and learn, get the dikshas, complete all levels and get all mantras. If you want to do the more sexual stuff, it can be "inferred" from having learnt Devipuram Sri Vidya. Because in the manuals for the last and final puja done on either the 2d sri yantra/chakra or the 3d Meru, you learn exactly how all the mantras and yantras simply depict the human body. It's just like qigong, it's the whole micro- and macrocosm idea. Once you understand that, you can easily adapt the rituals to do them on yourself or on a partner. The general idea is to activate each "devata" through all 5 elements (earth, water, fire, air and akash). Akash is both space and energy, just like sound waves traveling through space, interdependent. That's the dual symbolism of many Gods/Godesses wielding the chakra/discus as well as the conch. The chakra is a spinning force, just like the milky way spiral galaxy, as well as the chakras or energy wheels in our body. It's movement, energy, electricity and vibration. Whereas the conch comes from the sea, ocean, symbolizing a great holding space. Within it is also space, and you know you can hear the sound when you hold the conch next to your ear. That's the space and sound principle. So it's the shiva shakti, yin yang, movement and stillness, electricity and magnetism, energy and space. E.g. the muladhara chakra is activated through worship of Ganapati. It's activated by giving food to others (bhojanam), doing tarpanam and marjanam (water ritual), havan (fire ritual), puja (all 5 elements), mantra japam (akash) and dhyanam (meditation, mind) You can do the tarpanam on yourself instead or the yantra or a turmeric pyramid, or literally on the penis if you're a man. The trunk of the elephant. Then you simply overlay the yantra on the penis, worshipping the different points. Bala or the swadisthana chakra, same thing, do it on the yantra, on a turmeric cone, or on the clitoris of a woman. All the yantra points are simply overlaid on the genital organs and then worshipped. Same with Chamunda around the navel, Raja Shyamala on the breasts of a woman, Varahi on the head and so on. Lalita Tripura Sundari is worshipped using the Sri Meru, you can again do that physically on yourself or on a partner. That is then the whole body. If you want to offer a sexual act, just use the general "skeleton" of a ritual: guru mantra, pranayama, sankalpa, offering and so on. Then you simply offer the sexual act and visualise yourself as the god and partner as goddess or reverse. So if you learn through Devipuram, you can infer how to do the sexual practices. The best bet if you want to learn directly, is to connect with some of the white students of Amritananda, who don't suffer from all the cultural and political consequences as the indians, who are free to teach. I might actively do that at some point, as Sri Vidya is honestly pretty great at activating the latent powers within the human body. Further, we're anyway having sex, might as well use some of those sessions to activate our energies and draw closer to the divine in a conscious manner.

Hey everyone, Just wanted to give a somewhat dissapointing update. I managed to work my way in, it was hard, it took 8 years, but through networking with all the official and unofficial masters, volunteers, my friends, people I met while in the temple, I finally managed to find a rogue SKY master who's no longer official who agreed to teach me astral travel. As you can imagine I was over the moon, I have after all been searching for this skill for 10 years, and have tried A LOT of methods. However when I was in the temple grounds with this rogue master, I was so at peace. It felt so normal and natural. Even though he's left the organisation, he exudes deep vibes of a sense of discipline, gratitude as well as the awe of the holiness and sanctity of Vethathiri Maharishi's teachings. It was a very religious feeling, in a positive way. During my stay he taught me several discontinued SKY meditations, so was happy to learn all of these things. When the morning came and we had to get up at 4 to do the astral travel, I was very much at ease, despite ofc being tired from jet lag as well as getting up at 4 Indian Time The meditation was much, much simpler than I had imagined. Just like I had heard, you meditate on a particular chakra the night before, blessed by the master. Then you go to bed and fall asleep while meditating with the masters blessing and prayer on that chakra. When you wake up you go to the temple, lie down flat, relax your whole body, then you do the meditation itself, which is super simple. You start with the well known SKY chakra meditation, then you visualise step-wise certain things. Out of the 6-7 steps, at the 4th step I was SURE I was leaving my body. From one moment to the next, the sensation of my physical body completely disappeared, my breathing also stopped, yet it felt very normal and natural, I felt at ease. I felt "ok, now my soul will soar". However for some reason I didn't get the full seperation, so instead I kept going with the step by step visualisation as guided by the master lying next do me (we were both covered by white sheets/blankets). Then we finished the visualisation and "visualised coming back". The moment I visualised my spirit coming back I felt a huge burst of energy all over. It was as if my whole aura or energy field had been somewhat small because of tiredness, lack of sleep, jetlag etc, hence I was a bit tired. But after the meditation (we visualised going to certain places to get energy), when I visualised returning, it was "real", meaning the energy we had collected came into my body. So my whole energybody / aura / field expanded and I felt so refreshed. The master told me that there's a specific 108 day long practice to go through first, which will ensure you have the power and energy to actually seperate that I should now go home and do on my own. And the visualisation is a kind of practice, but suddenly one day it will really happen, and you will really fully seperate and fly around. I was 100% convinced I would get it when I returned home to my country with the 108 day practice, as the practice under the master's guidance was so powerful, I really, truly deeply felt "ok, this is it". Now I've been home for more than 4-5 months and I did the practice, but I unfortunately still didn't get it. So am somewhat disappointed, yet also feeling satisfied "that I gave it my all". I went to the end of the Earth, I spoke to 100s of people, networked, travelled, spent money and time, took off work, I did all in my power "to get it". I got something, but still kind of "failed" at my main mission, unfortunately. I've spoken with several of the other SKY masters now, revealing I learnt the secret technique, without revealing from whom (as that would create political havoc and negatively impact the rogue master), and they shared their own experiences of astral travel and simply advised me: "it's not the technique, it's just 2 things: 1) be fully relaxed with your physical body, 2) completely shift your attention to your energybody". When you do this, you automatically pop out one day. So right now my plan is to simply keep practicing, 1 hour pr day Master Wu's qigong (the best I ever did), and 1 hour pr day SKY meditation. Then hopefully 1 day it will happen on it's own. My last hope is some of the tantric, magical daoist and sleeping qigong programs I'm sometimes doing particularly for astral travel will one day work, but so far I've done 3 tantric methods (some for 41 days, some for 90 days, and some for 100 days), I didn't succeed. Then I did daoist ways (mantra, mudra, talisman, meditation and connecting with particular spirits), some again for 49 days, some 100, and one method I really believed in I did for about 9 months straight every single night. I also failed. Sleeping qigong I've been doing for about 6 months, where 2 of the meditations can cause soul travel, but so far nothing. Will keep going. Anyway, just wanted to give you all an update, several people have privately messaged me asking about the results of my India trip and astral travel adventures/searches, so just wanted to share for all to see.

Yes, so many of my wife's family were among the people who defeated ISIS. Just imagine the strength and fighting spirit of Kurdish TEENAGE men and women in flip flops with no training defeated ISIS which was largely trained and equipped by CIA and America before they rose to prominence and was deemed an enemy of the West. Imagine you sitting at home, watching television of brigades of heavily armed ISIS fighters taking over huge modern cities in mile long convoys of pick ups with heavy machineguns, decapitating thousands live on twitter, you're a 15 year old girl, and your reaction is to grab your flipflops and your AK and go to fight them. That's a very special kind of inner strength and courage. It's truly tragic, as the kurds are some of the "most normal" in the Middle East, simply meaning reasonably European and sensible in many ways, compared to many of the more fanatical regimes. If a united Kurdistan was created, it could potentially be a kind of beacon of light, humaneness, sensibility and just "normal living" to help stabilise the whole region. An oasis in a sea of fanaticism. What they lack is a strong leader with this powerful vision of unity, as unfortunately due to millenia of wars, the mentality of "caring for yourself first" is extremely strong. Nationalism is also there, but it's a largely unguided force, intercepting militarily when things are grave and you need to defend (e.g. ISIS), but not with a vision of unity for all the kurds. And realistically every major power is against them in the region, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey. They would lose land, power, ressources and influence if Kurdistan became a unified country. Actually Israel is one of the only powerful countries in the Middle East that tries to help Kurdistan - e.g. buy a lot of their oil, covertly sell them weapons, provide secret agents to help defeat fanatics that are trying to rise to power and so on. The Isreali story of being a persecuted nation without a homeland, with all major powers against them is so similar in spirit to the Kurdish story of being a persecuted people without your own country, and all major powers using you and your land as a plaything in their own games. That's why they help each other since modern Isreal was founded, even though ofc many modern Kurdish brainwashed by islamic fanatics are not aware of it, but the older generation remember when secret isreali agents brought them food, water, ressources, clothes etc in times of war and crisis, also weapons for self defense, and still financially today they support by buying oil in massive quantities at a fair price. Yes, Africa could almost be declared the black magic capital of the world, the magic there is very powerful

So fascinating, you really made the whole culture and history come alive! It's truly mindboggling how connected (for better or worse) people close to nature are to spirit. But unfortunately they use it both for good and evil. Yes, awesome idea about Kurdistan. In my dream I saw a carved rock-like charm bound with leather skins, both of them inscribed with ancient signs, buried under a plot of land in Kurdistan. This was then re-energized through rituals every now and then. So if we could find it, dig it up, and destroy it, I'm sure it would stop everything for ever. Luckily things have been ok for a long while, but every time one of the family members returns from a trip to Kurdistan, all family members here in Europe start having physical, health, mental or family issues for 1-3 months. So I think when they're down there, it somehow "re-ignites" the fire of hate and jealousy in the hearts of the people living there permanently, prompting them to restart all their black magic against this branch of the family. Luckily we are more aware now and combat it proactively. Just having that awareness that black magic is real, it makes you stop and think every now and then, when everything suddenly goes wrong for no reason out of nowhere. Then you can do something about it, instead of just suffering through it, when it could be stopped/improved by spiritual means.

It's so crazy how widespread it is! Thanks for sharing, it really brings into light "the reality" of life in these precious and beautiful regions of the planet

Yes, some even say the were originally South Indias who fled/migrated. If you see their temple in Lalesh, it's very hindu like in structure. Further, Yazd means "south", so it could be an explanation for the name "yazidi" - people from the south. And just like so other ancient Middle Eastern spiritualities including reincarnation, meditation, all kind of beautiful spiritual teachings, they have to hide it to avoid getting their heads chopped off. In Southern India Subramanya/Skandha/Karthikeya/Murugan is very popular, he's the other son of Shiva (more wellknown son is Ganesha the elephant God), and you guessed it, he rides a peacock. So it's possible they're related, that the yazidis were from South India who worshipped Subramanya.

Hey @goretex, Thanks for your comment. Interesting that you're writing now, as it is actually pitru paksha right now it started a few days ago, and me, wife, father and an aunt visiting are doing rituals daily. It's something me and my wife have discussed a lot. As if her ancestors were alive and saw us doing "hindu stuff", they would probably disaprove, as they were strict muslims. My ancestors did voodoo, and hinduism is insanely similar. I have this aunt visiting from the US right now, she's lived in Haiti many years of her life, and have been much more in touch with voodoo. She told us during the fire ritual that it is more or less exactly the same. However, regarding my wife's ancestors, I have felt them coming every single time, and they do indeed "get better" from it. The number of ancestors showing up has decreased from year to year, it also decreases almost daily during pitru paksha, both factors ndicating it actully helps them. The intensity of their negative energy also decreases almost daily, but markedly from year to year. We've come to the conclusion that from whereever they are, they don't necessarily "see" exactly what we're doing. From where they are, they just feel/sense/receive the energy itself. The energy behind the ritual guided by our intention (which is always clearly stated in the beginning durin the step called "sankalpa" in hindu rituals). So it's a great question indeed, something we've pondered, and so far experience seems to indicate that the world they're in now (it's called pitru loka in hinduism) is more energy based, and the connection to them is autmatically governed by your lineage/DNA connection, so whatever energy you use, it gets filtered through that before being sent. These are anyway some of our thoughts on the subject so far

My cousin's husband is from Morocco, he also told me these stories. How poor and desperate people do black magic in the street while begging or scamming people for money. Yes, unfortunately each nation or people has certain strengths and weaknesses, or we could say blessings and tests from God. A huge test in the muslim ummah in general is jealousy and hate, competing with your close ones instead of cooperating, and social comparison and judgement is an enormeous weight pulling also down on the already burdened shoulders of Middle East. Whereas I would say the joy of life, love of living, zest and ofc a natural social inclination as well as enjoyment of gathering together, having food together, just enjoying each other is a big blessing of these people. Just being human, and aliveness itself. I always enjoy when we just get together as a family, even if we speak different languages, just sitting and having tea together, sharing funny/silly insta videos I feel so connected to my extended family members. This is a big blessing without a doubt too.

great points! yes, as interesting as all this is, we’ve drifted completely away from the topic. SO! back to black magic. it sucks, and is super prevalent in the Middle East. in my wife’s village where she grew up, it was standard practice and you learnt since you were small. different things you could do, eg if someone has gotten a new home and you’re jealous, you write some things from the Quran in reverse on a slip of paper, say a curse, blow on it, crumble it up and hide it in the new home somewhere not to be found. As long as it’s there, it’ll give bad energy to the new home. Similarly at weddings, again, if you’re jealous, you can tie a string or a ribbon say on the chair, the utensils or any other thing to be used by the target, again saying a curse and blowing on it. If the victim then uses the thing, they will get cursed. there was also another trick, again if you feel jealous that they ‘have it better’ than you, where you peel a fruit, etch signs into the peel, then hide it in the home of the target during your visit. The peel again being ‘trash’ so giving off bad energy. these are simple and Childs play versions, but everyone in the village had learnt basic ‘black magic 101’ as kids. so just imagine if you really want to go into it, the ancient systems found there all the way back to ancient pre-Islam Persia and ancient Babylon, using blood, piss, feces, and systematic cultivation of dark energy over decades. And just to remind, this young dude who cursed us, Zhongxian Wu inspite of cultivating since the age of 4, having all magical powers, healing, having done 1 year dark retreat in a cave, you name it, he couldn’t remove it. Chunyi Lin who’s also got healing and psychic powers, having fasted 30 days in a cave meditating until he could see with his eyes closed, he also wasn’t powerful enough to remove it. Hindu Swami who’s done sadhana since his teenage years, having done tantric graveyard sadhana and tamasic worship using blood to control spirits, having siddhi of Mahavidyas, he also couldn’t remove it. sufi having done innumerable retreats in Iran and Afghanistan, the most psychic and clairvoyant I ever met, having healing lots of people on the brink of death deemed unsaveable due to blood cancer, marrow cancer, brain cancer, you name it, he also couldn’t remove it. this is serious stuff, and from what I gather it’s a kind of specialty niche in cultivation, that unless you’ve gone deep, you cannot counter it, no matter how strong your general energy is, and even if you at a high level in tamasic tantric controlling spirits. So I feel you need to train in this specific area in order to be able to fight someone who’s also trained specifically in this area. And people who do that are extremely rare, even the most powerful masters I met in my life (all cited above), as well as my SKY masters, none could remove it.

Thanks for chipping in! Yes, it really is crystal clear, very obvious. No judgement in that, it's just super helpful to know and understand this in order to be in harmony with each other.