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My favorite high school English teacher had a plaque on her desk sporting the words illegetimi non carborundum. She was an unusually self-possessed person, someone who took that motto to heart. I´ve since read that the phrase isn´t actually proper Latin but it does come in handy from time to time, especially here on the forum and elsewhere online.

I missed my calling -- shoulda been a journalist. When writing for English-speaking audiences, I never accidently slip into foreign tongues, and certainly not Latin. Well, maybe a phrase or two for "texture and color" -- porque no? -- but never an entire paragraph.

I realized that my last post didn't really answer OP's question so I'll post about it in more detail: Note that this isn't a recommendation to practice this but more of an interesting record of a system that was practiced by a lot of people at one point or another The system did indeed produce very fast results because it focused on the qihai in many techniques which creates the feeling of qi very early without the actual internal development, I've omitted most of that here because it depletes the body If you're really interested in lmp then here's how you can practice the same thing, safely The system started with Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming's embryonic breathing to form the ldt, that's followed by a really unsafe ritual type of thing to get energy from the sun that was taken from a mid 2000s magick forum, Nathan Brine has some good Longmen pore breathing techniques in his books that id recommend doing instead Then, breathe yang from the sky through the qihai, and yin from the earth through the huiyin and place yi in the ldt while they interact The theory being once the jing field would swell, it'd activate the mingmen and girdle vessel automatically Back to Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming to learn the mco, there were a few mudras but the only working one was the hands together to assist the mco as in Flying the Golden Crystals Behind the Elbows through Nathan Brine's writings on Longmen You'd then visualize an orb sitting atop your head a few inches up connected to the baihui which i think was some sort of misunderstanding about the birth of yang shen, there's adjacent material in jerry alan johnsons work and you can find deeper material in Vajrayana To close sessions there was zero xing to bathe and cleanse which was a really bad idea, you'd just kinda stop and keep the yi on your ldt Further levels had you connect to his energetic constructs to progress, every single member that attempted the higher levels reported feeling drained and some reported symptoms of psychosis so I won't even discuss that stuff here As for magick, once you progress in a real system and get the flow going up and down the central channel that stuff becomes unavoidable, I wouldn't really recommend getting into it before then but if you do then stick to stuff written before the 1800s and groups that have a history going back at least 100 years That'll get you past a lot of the disinfo flood You should be extremely skeptical if someone claims to have mastered both neidan and western magick because each takes an entire lifetime of practice, the area is extremely ripe with cults and megalomaniacs that will happily claim to know everything

Random Latin in the head most of it has finally evaporated . But you get a LOT of that if you where a little catholic kid in church back 'then' ... long gruelling painful Mass in Latin .... ( ''Whats that guy doing up there ... what is he saying ? Now he is making one of those 'air crosses' over us and telling us to dominate ' vov-vo biscuits ' ? an iced vo-vo biscuit and we were supposed to say ' we will come and spit on you ' ( Priest ; '' "Dominus vobiscum" People ; '' "Et cum spiritu tuo" )

Theres no current website but he'll probably pop back up, he does it every couple of years under a new name lol Its really just the books you see mentioned here alot because this and godlike productions were his main sources of info If theres anything specific youd like to know i can see what i remember ymaa jerry alan johnson kunlun damo mitchell assorted mopai then most of the rest was poorly understood direct translations and myths in various cultures taken as literal instructions

Cold morning, train horn blow, whistle freight train--take me far on down the track

Yes, it's a wise saying even thought it's fake Latin. A motto especially apt for a high school teacher to live by. There's a whole bunch of not quite real Latin proverbs I remember, some "almost" the real thing... like, Lingua Latina non est penis canina. And a friend, a med student at the time, once commented in all seriousness when we were planning a picnic in the woods and it started raining, Per aspera ad anus. This one has since become my favorite expression for when things one carefully plans and looks forward to go bust for whatever reason. It's exactly the same idea which Shakespeare expressed in his characteristic, much more flowery way: And enterprises of great pitch and moment With this regard their currents turn awry And lose the name of action.

I have some random Latin in my head from the university course, but the last time I was able to read the news in Latin was circa the Bello Gallico time -- which was current events around 50 BC.

Everybody knows paper newspapers are in decline -- but this article appeared last Friday in the San Diego Union Tribune both in its paper version delivered to subscribers and the digital online version. The article itself is in Latin (not the first, second, or 100th most spoken language around here), and its title seems to clash with the editors' attempt at classically educating the readers, if that's what they had in mind.

Welcome! I also switched over from West to East, so to speak.

Hi and welcome.

Pat's friday burnt ends Round and round, eating, shitting Cold morning, train horn

Thank you Steve.

The other problem is that this deluded mindset can be a source of abusive behavior. There is a dzogchen saying that states 'the view should be as broad as the sky but the conduct as fine as barley powder.' When behavior comes from a genuine connection to the source, there is little or no possibility of abusive behavior. When it comes from the deluded mind, bad actors misbehave. These are some of the reasons why the dzogchen path was kept so secretive for so long, there is a higher potential for misunderstanding, and related abuse, than with other paths.

careful.. 養生 Yǎngshēng is for fitness and nutrition. The yangshenggong mentioned is various life-prolonging exercise. 陽神 Yángshén is part of the mobilized light body, e.g. what someone might see floating above your head after you've practiced for ten thousand hours.

No, AI is telling lie to you. Preserving jing is Yangshengong goal but not Neidan.

Again i dont suggest actually practicing it, but if you insist i hope that the exposure to these different systems helps you find a reputable system to stick with I dont want lmp to become any sort of mopai urban legend where because it isnt taught it seems more grand than it is lmp isnt taught anymore because it isnt effective lol

To KNOW rather than merely BELIEVE. If a phenomena can be explained by other things then you are just left with belief and there's always room for seeds of doubt. If the phenomena can't explained by other things and it's undeniably the result of whatever you are testing, then you don't have belief, you have knowledge at that point, and there is no room for doubt. I don't want to believe qi is real, I want to know it's real. From there, that's where true experimentation can begin. If you can't distinguish reality from self delusion, then you can't really test anything because you don't have a baseline.

Thanks for the reply, but ironically I've already tried that very same video (and others like it). Youtube is filled to the brim with qi sensation videos like this one with slight differences, but they all pretty much use the whole "move your palms towards and away from eachother" thing. IDK, maybe my standards are just too high/strict and I'm expecting too much, but with a lot of these exercises the sensations you feel are things I've already felt under normal circumstances and they don't really feel "distinct enough" to me that they would warrant a different classification as "chi energy". There was one video that was a bit different (and I'd say the most significant one I've tested) by Lee Holden, but I think that was because the actions in it were directly stimulating nerves in your hand and that's why you get the noticeable tingling sensation in your palms (hitting your finger nails against eachother rapidly for a certain duration, you'll see it in the video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1A5OrXDlkI A lot of these exercises just looks like the placebo effect to me (doesn't seem like "the real deal", like something essential is missing). Like the most common exercise where you are told to rub your palms together for a while and then move them towards and away from eachother. A lot of people will feel warmth on their palms and exclaim they felt chi, but you literally just rubbed your palms together, which generates heat, so of course you'll feel warmth, especially when you are moving your palms against the cooler air which allows you to more easily feel the temperature difference, and you are now hyper focused on your palms so that makes it even easier. I'm looking for something much more distinct than those things, something like what @-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- described - "Felt like a cool menthol heat moving around my body." Like that experience, I'm also looking for an experience that is inexplicable by anything else (I can't come up with any rationalization other than - "that was qi energy, it definitely worked"). This is why I asked the questions I asked, and it's why I'm looking for a "complete practice" that is well known, as it's more likely to yield those kinds of results (as these things are passed down and refined through generations). I think when you begin to train something with a mindset that it "undeniably works" rather than "that was interesting but it could be explained by other things", you'll take it more seriously. I want to weed out all doubt, and that's why I'm looking for a specific kind of practice.

I was unaware that was occurring, to be clear I am not a fan of SOTG or his "teachings". I just find it humorous that people who think they can literally fly and shoot eye lasers are the first ones to criticize others.

Well, thanks for the excellent questions! The more we try to do right, the more we do wrong, IMHO. (yours truly, this thread) I can actually state that more easily with parlance borrowed from modern Christianity: we're all helpless sinners, incapable of doing the right thing--only by allowing Jesus within, and giving it over to Jesus, does the right thing get done. Only by relinquishing volition in action and allowing the location of consciousness and the weight of the body to initiate "reflex movement" in the body wherever consciousness takes place, does the right activity take place--at least, in zazen. There's an ease associated with that "reflex movement", until the moment when consciousness is completely without intention with regard to the body and "reflex movement" still occurs wherever a singular consciousness takes place. What will be the difference? You have freedom, you know, from everything. That is, you know, the main point. (Sesshin Lecture, Shunryu Suzuki; Day 5 Wednesday, June 9, 1971 San Francisco) As I mentioned in a reply to Stirling on this thread, it's been my experience that my heart-felt belief translates into action, when I relinquish volition as above in everyday life. In practice, returning to "one-pointedness of mind" and to the cessation of "voluntary control" or habit in inhalation and exhalation allows for the right thing to get done. "Supermundane components" is really above my pay grade, but as Gautama described his mindfulness as a path to "freedom through knowledge" (MN 118), I think "self-surrender" and "one-pointedness" is a good start.