Religion is the poison of Spirituality

[Marblehead]

Feck duality. Maybe we should have two words

One for beliefs that bind (a) and a different word for beliefs that liberate ( .

Something along the lines of...

a: Bad

b: Good

Nice thoughts but I think that has been tried before.

[Birch]

Osho still reminds me of a border collie. Ever since I first saw him.

Anyways, given we no longer require ashrams to frolick in (we're allowed to frolick without a great deal of societal frownage) what would an Osho-brand ashram offer anyone today?

[gatito]

I sense the street smarts.

 

 

Really!!!???????????????????????????????

 

So, perhaps I'm not the one who believes in Maya?

[GrandmasterP]

 

If you use "More Reply Options" at the bottom right you can uncheck "Enable emoticons" which will prevent unusual formatting like that.

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Job done.

Top man yerself sir. thank you for that useful tip.

I am still finding my way round this new iPad after serving my time as cabin boy on a Kindle 3G.

[GrandmasterP]

 

 

But but but if we have two words that would still be a duality...

 

Personally I transcend the duality of what is and what isn't through the singularity of what be... that be I use the is-isn't when referring to duality and use be when referring to singularity of being... the other distinction I use involves a reference to the validity of stuff... note that true is 100% validity and false is 0% validity...

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I see. Thank you that makes a lot of sense et and I can understand your posts the better for the explanation.

Not so sure about 100% true being true though.

Just back from nursing home to see Mrs GMPs gradually expiring 94 year old husband of her 60 year old aunty (he millionaire widower Mrs GMPs aunty was his PA, fill any gaps in yourself).

"You are looking well John" says I.

Now that was not 100% true but it needed to be said.

William Booth who founded the Salvation Army said...

"I shall tell the truth should Heaven fall".

He'd not have been welcome in that palliative care suite this morning.

[GrandmasterP]

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[Apech]

@GMP

 

"cum retreat resort" ... I think you may mean that literally.

[et-thoughts]

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[gatito]

www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/whatistruth.asp

[et-thoughts]

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[gatito]

TIME OUT!!!!!

[et-thoughts]

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[Isimsiz Biri]

 

I have watched the video. It lists many criticisms about religion but particularly Christianity. Although I agree with some of the criticisms but in general, it reaches a result against religion that I totally disagree. This is the unfortunate situation of Western thought may be since Reform & Renaissance. Since the original teachings of Jesus Christ had been changed completely by Vatican and Orthodox Churchs, Reform and following Renaissance, Age of Enlightenment, Industrial revolution and so on, the Western individual had to put a great distance between her/himself and Christianity since 16th century. However, that transformed Christianity was not the religion sent by God Almighty. It is also difficult to explain a later revision of God's religion, Islam to Western intellectual, due to historical reasons and the wrong applications of Muslims. It is also the main reason I am always under attack here.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Recep Ivedik

[et-thoughts]

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[Isimsiz Biri]

it would be better if we focused on the topic of this thread... as I sort of have said a couple of times...

"this thread focuses on the topics of... religion poison spirituality... you put a video and I stated... "the video you present puts forth a biased way... why is that ? what is it trying to promote? who is it trying to appease? "

From your responses its evident to me you do not want to focus on the topics of this thread... now can we please focus on the topics of this thread...

 

Just to help you, true spiritualism can be reached through true religious practice. Other ways will take you to lap of negatives.

[Isimsiz Biri]

I appreciate your intelligent feedback to this video, and the return of the focus to the subject of the thread.

 

I do not appreciate anything of you, stay away, have fun somewhere else

[et-thoughts]

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[Isimsiz Biri]

Can you elaborate on the main reason you are always under attack?

I have already explained but let me do it again. I am under attack because of:

1- Prejudices of Western people about Islam. The 9/11 attacks, etc. can be given as example

2- There is a hidden thought of Crusaders in the minds of Western people. According to Western mind, the Crusaders and particularly Templar Knights were good people. In fact, they were blood thirsty warriors serving the negative side. Nobody mentions it but it is quite obvious many people attack me with Crusader spirit.

3- I am confronting many thoughts that have been memorized by people here.

 

Can you elaborate on the religion sent by God Almighty...

It is Islam. You can find it in Holy Quran. Even a single letter of Holy Quran was not changed. And in the video that was given by Viator, the man says "Holy Bible was written by many writers in a rather long duration". He is right. Unfortunately, the original Holy Bible was changed by men.

 

Personally I think religion, spirituality, and many other stuff can be succinctly put into... 'Love as God Loves' or "Do as God would Do"! and

even shorter version would be: "LOVE"!

This is also a shortcoming of modern Western women and men. Of course, God Almighty has created us with the energy of Love, no objection. However, this is a rather childish explanation of God and God's creation. Yes, God created us with Love. Period. What else? Which qualities of God is related with Human Beings? There is no answer? Only Love? The Western world is not aware of the 99 Beautiful Names of God. (http://en.wikipedia....of_God_in_Islam):

• Ar Rahman (الرحمن) The All Beneficent
   
  
• Ar Rahim (الرحيم) The Most Merciful
   
  
• Al Malik (الملك) The King, The Sovereign
   
  
• Al Quddus (القدوس) The Most Holy
   
  
• As Salam (السلام) Peace and Blessing
   
  
• Al Mu'min (المؤمن) The Guarantor
   
  
• Al Muhaymin (المهيمن) The Guardian, the Preserver
   
  
• Al 'Aziz (العزيز) The Almighty, the Self Sufficient
   
  
• Al Jabbar (الجبار) The Powerful, the Irresistible
   
  
• Al Mutakabbir (المتكبر) The Tremendous
   
  
• Al Khaliq (الخالق) The Creator
   
  
• Al Bari' (البارئ) The Maker
   
  
• Al Musawwir (المصور) The Fashioner of Forms
   
  
• Al Ghaffar (الغفار) The Ever Forgiving
   
  
• Al Qahhar (القهار) The All Compelling Subduer
   
  
• Al Wahhab (الوهاب) The Bestower
   
  
• Ar Razzaq (الرزاق) The Ever Providing
   
  
• Al Fattah (الفتاح) The Opener, the Victory Giver
   
  
• Al Alim (العليم) The All Knowing, the Omniscient
   
  
• Al Qabid (القابض) The Restrainer, the Straightener
   
  
• Al Basit (الباسط) The Expander, the Munificent
   
  
• Al Khafid (الخافض) The Abaser
   
  
• Ar Rafi' (الرافع) The Exalter
   
  
• Al Mu'izz (المعز) The Giver of Honor
   
  
• Al Mudhill (المذل) The Giver of Dishonor
   
  
• Al Sami' (السميع) The All Hearing
   
  
• Al Basir (البصير) The All Seeing
   
  
• Al Hakam (الحكم) The Judge, the Arbitrator
   
  
• Al 'Adl (العدل) The Utterly Just
   
  
• Al Latif (اللطيف) The Subtly Kind
   
  
• Al Khabir (الخبير) The All Aware
   
  
• Al Halim (الحليم) The Forbearing, the Indulgent
   
  
• Al 'Azim (العظيم) The Magnificent, the Infinite
   
  
• Al Ghafur (الغفور) The All Forgiving
   
  
• Al Shakur (الشكور) The Grateful
   
  
• Al 'Ali (العلى) The Sublimely Exalted
   
  
• Al Kabir (الكبير) The Great
   
  
• Al Hafiz (الحفيظ) The Preserver
   
  
• Al Muqit (المقيت) The Nourisher
   
  
• Al Hasib (الحسيب) The Reckoner
   
  
• Al Jalil (الجليل) The Majestic
   
  
• Al Karim (الكريم) The Bountiful, the Generous
   
  
• Ar Raqib (الرقيب) The Watchful
   
  
• Al Mujib (المجيب) The Responsive, the Answerer
   
  
• Al Wasi' (الواسع) The Vast, the All Encompassing
   
  
• Al Hakim (الحكيم) The Wise
   
  
• Al Wadud (الودود) The Loving, the Kind One
   
  
• Al Majid (المجيد) The All Glorious
   
  
• Al Ba'ith (الباعث) The Raiser of the Dead
   
  
• Ash Shahid (الشهيد) The Witness
   
  
• Al Haqq (الحق) The Truth, the Real
   
  
• Al Wakil (الوكيل) The Trustee, the Dependable
   
  
• Al Qawiyy (القوى) The Strong
   
  
• Al Matin (المتين) The Firm, the Steadfast
   
  
• Al Wali (الولى) The Protecting Friend, Patron, and Helper
   
  
• Al Hamid (الحميد) The All Praiseworthy
   
  
• Al Muhsi (المحصى) The Accounter, the Numberer of All
   
  
• Al Mubdi' (المبدئ) The Producer, Originator, and Initiator of all
   
  
• Al Mu'id (المعيد) The Reinstater Who Brings Back All
   
  
• Al Muhyi (المحيى) The Giver of Life
   
  
• Al Mumit (المميت) The Bringer of Death, the Destroyer
   
  
• Al Hayy (الحي) The Ever Living
   
  
• Al Qayyum (القيوم) The Self Subsisting Sustainer of All
   
  
• Al Wajid (الواجد) The Perceiver, the Finder, the Unfailing
   
  
• Al Majid (الماجد) The Illustrious, the Magnificent
   
  
• Al Wahid (الواحد) The One, the All Inclusive, the Indivisible
   
  
• Al Ahad (الاحد) The One, the Unique
   
  
• As Samad (الصمد) The Long, the Impregnable, the Everlasting
   
  
• Al Qadir (القادر) The All Able
   
  
• Al Muqtadir (المقتدر) The All Determiner, the Dominant
   
  
• Al Muqaddim (المقدم) The Expediter, He who brings forward
   
  
• Al Mu'akhkhir (المؤخر) The Delayer, He who puts far away
   
  
• Al Awwal (الأول) The First
   
  
• Al Akhir (الأخر) The Last
   
  
• Az Zahir (الظاهر) The Manifest; the All Victorious
   
  
• Al Batin (الباطن) The Hidden; the All Encompassing
   
  
• Al Wali (الوالي) The Patron
   
  
• Al Muta'al (المتعالي) The Self Exalted
   
  
• Al Barr (البر) The Most Kind and Righteous
   
  
• At Tawwab (التواب) The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting
   
  
• Al Muntaqim (المنتقم) The Avenger
   
  
• Al 'Afuww (العفو) The Pardoner, the Effacer of Sins
   
  
• Ar Ra'uf (الرؤوف) The Compassionate, the All Pitying
   
  
• Malik al Mulk (مالك) (الملك) The Owner of All Sovereignty
   
  
• Dhu al Jalal wa al Ikram (ذو الجلال و الإكرام) The Lord of Majesty and Generosity
   
  
• Al Muqsit (المقسط) The Equitable, the Requiter
   
  
• Al Jami' (الجامع) The Gatherer, the Unifier
   
  
• Al Ghani (الغنى) The All Rich, the Independent
   
  
• Al Mughni (المغنى) The Enricher, the Emancipator
   
  
• Al Mani'(المانع) The Withholder, the Shielder, the Defender
   
  
• Ad Dharr (الضآر) The Distresser
   
  
• An Nafi' (النافع) The Propitious, the Benefactor
   
  
• An Nur (النور) The Light
   
  
• Al Hadi (الهادي) The Guide
   
  
• Al Badi (البديع) Incomparable, the Originator
   
  
• Al Baqi (الباقي) The Ever Enduring and Immutable
   
  
• Al Warith (الوارث) The Heir, the Inheritor of All
   
  
• Ar Rashid (الرشيد) The Guide, Infallible Teacher, and Knower
   
  
• As Sabur (الصبور) The Patient, the Timeless
  

God wants us to know all these names and learn them and get the Nur, the light of these 99 energies within ourselves. So God can not be reduced to only one word as Love.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Recep Ivedik

[Isimsiz Biri]

How's that working out for you?

 

Dear et-thoughts,

 

Do not reply him, ignore him. He is not worth to write a reply.

[et-thoughts]

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[Isimsiz Biri]

I would not have interjected here, but since you saw fit to talk about me, I don't feel too bad replying. I can't speak for other members here, but the reason that I posted the video I did is that it was very funny. Several people agreed. You should expect when you make your avatar based on what is essentially the Turkish version of Borat that people will find this a bit humorous. It is unfortunate that you took this personally, but given your general approach toward board members at the time I don't feel bad for posting it. You should understand that it was not meant in a mean way, I have found some of the things you have said here to be genuinely useful. I hope you understand and have no hard feelings.

 

I do not care you, I do not care your thoughts, I do not care what you say. I am not taking anything personally. You misunderstood. You are not worth to talk

[Isimsiz Biri]

Thanks will have to think on what you posted... BTW when one knows love... all the divine names and attributes naturally flourish and manifest... so yes God can be reduced to a single word... LOVE... its the guiding light ever enduring and immutable Incomparable, the Originator Infallible Teacher, and Knower Patient, Timeless...

of course when I say love... I refer to love as God loves not some childish personal interpretation individuals think of... I mean the real deal...

I know you are referring to real deal. But that real deal is not sufficient to describe God in humanity's level. That is the reason why 99 Beautiful Names of God Almighty have been introduced to humanity.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Recep Ivedik