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If my memory serves me well, when I bought the San Gong dvd some years ago the seller told me it translates as "seated meditation". I would say a variant would be "seated cultivation" since I think of the word gong as work but in the case of qigong, work involving the cultivation of inner energy/alchemy. And to me, the highest purpose of that cultivation would be for developing shen which I think of as higher consciousness/spiritual experience. 

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"San" or "Shen" if written to denote 'spirit' in Chinese do not necessarily mean spirit, heaven, god in the literal sense. One of the many wuxia palance one could find in wixia novels is, "I've 'shen gong' to protect me (from harm, that is)". So, the descriptive "Shen (San) Gong" in Chinese martial arts or in Qigong in the context of the set of CMA/Qigong exercises should mean that the practitioner will reap the result of extraordinary power, invariably, qi-power. Having said that, on the other hand, in spiritual boxing or shen-da, the shen-gong is taken in its literal sense, that the power of the diety protects the practitioner (upon request, with mudras and stompings). Qigong, as you probably know comes in all forms: some standing, some sitting, and some lying in a prone position. Some traditional Daoist sitting exercises are called so-and-so Shen Gong but what is important is to find out why the set is called shen gong from the instructor.

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On 1/29/2018 at 2:38 PM, Aeran said:

Yeah for sure get some stretching going - even a short session every day has made a huge difference over time for me, and it's also a really good warmup for Qigong.

 

The stretch I'm talking about is the "Spinal Wave" stretch in chapter 5. As the name implies, it's brilliant for the spine too, but I've found it really opens up the pelvis on top of that.

Hi Aeran,

 

I was following your conversation with Joolian about the content of your FP practice sessions and the resulting nice progress you've made in terms of flexibility as well.

If you're interested in a stretching regimen, I teach a comprehensive and very systematic stretching regimen that can run 45 to 70 minutes.  It's primary emphasis is on legs, hips, spine and as opposed to upper extremities.  I distilled this stretching regimen from the stretching exercises I learned starting in the 70's from:

A.  my 8 years as a competitive gymnast (thru high school and college)

B.  Sifu Doug Wong (So. Sil Lum 5 Animals/ White Lotus KF)--extreme flexibillty achieved.

C.  Master Bow Sim Mark (1980):

D.  Master George Xu's Qing Dynasty Imperial Guard Exercises - that several generations of his students are versed in.  I learned them during his workshops in the late 80's at the San Diego Taoist Sanctuary.

E.  a few of GM Doo Wai's numerous  internal warm-up & stretching routines--e.g two meditations excerpted from the 8 Sections of Energy Combined system that are done in sets of 9 repetitions.

 

(A through D comprised the stretching regimen that passed muster with the L.A. Lakers, as I trained that 2000 -2001 championship team in it throughout that season at the start of every home practice.)

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

 

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On 2/4/2018 at 2:21 AM, Frederic said:

 

 

The meditations on those are called:

 

Sup Baht Sin Sunn Gong

(90-80-50-40-30-20-10)
18 Goddess heavenly healing meditations

Sup Baht Lohan Sunn Yee Gong

(90-80-50-40-30-20-10)
18 Lohan healing Meditations

 

And are very nice. I wish I knew more about them, where they are from, from what larger BFP system, what level, etc. Also, the first one is 9 meditations combined together? Can we identify those 9 and practice the separately? And also how to perform them, because GM Doo Wai shows them in a chair with side supports and it is hard to discover how low the hands should go for each move.

 

BFP is very interesting, and getting a larger overview of what can be found in there, how it relates to each other etc. even if we stick to playing with FP, is still a beautiful thing.

 

Terry, if you could post and sell video's (for example on vimeo) of how to perform the meditations GM Doo Wai demonstrates, even those free on youtube (detox and healing that looks like but is not Tai Chi), I'm sure a lot of us would be very interested.

Frederic,

 

I am not familiar with the meditations you've described by their breath control sequences and with those names, although I do know a couple of meditations in the 10,000 Buddhas Meditation System that has that exact breath control sequence.  I do know that those meditations you speak of are not purely healing meditations.  So because of their full or partial martial potential, I will not comment, teach, or demonstrate them OUT OF CONTEXT--i.e., I will not teach anyone more about them unless they are either my student or have been trained by a certified senior Bok Fu Pai instructor that I respect, such as Sifu Garry Hearfield.

 

In general, I don't want to spend much time on this  thread talking about  Bok Fu Pai martial art meditations that have no relevance to Flying Phoenix Qigong training.  I barely have enough time to manage to answer questions about FP Qigong practice that are posted every week by active practitioners.  The Bok Fu Pai family of internal arts is vast and if someone raises a question about a basic or  advanced FP Qigong meditation, I may answer questions about it.  I may talk about the history and application of other Bok Fu Pai internal martial arts during an exchange on this thread  with a peer such as Sifu Garry Hearfield, as I have in the past,  but in general, I am not here to demonstrate how to do martial meditations that are taught on a video that I have never seen and which is presume is an advanced meditation-by its exorbitant price.  At least for buyers' sake, I hope the product contains advanced material. 

 

I know and practice that "Healing Detox Meditation"  demonstrated by GM Doo Wai on the video that's posted on Youtube.  It is a nice healing meditation, and I have considered doing a 60 or 90= minute long DVD program breaking down that meditation and making it easier to learn.  But that is not a high priority on my very full video production slate.  Besides,  I think that GM Doo Wai's demonstration is quite sufficient for the general public.

 

In response to your suggestion that I  to make videos demonstrating advanced Bok Fu Pai martial art meditations that are NOT directly relevant to Flying Phoenix Celestial Healing Qigong training and make it available free on Youtube or sell them through Vimeo, my answer is a NO.  That is not my philosophy or practice. I teach intermediate and advanced Kung Fu students all the time--but in person.   I do not and will not teach advanced martial Qigong on either a free or commercial video--whether it's Bok Fu Pai or Tao Tan Pai, or 8 Sections Combined.

 

But if you wish to do a private online (Skype) tutorial to go over the Bok Fu Pai meditations you mention that you're presently trying to learn from the video you bought from that website,  I would be glad to examine your practice and, first of all, tell you whether you should be practicing that material or not. If it looks like the material  is suitable for you and that you would do well with it, given your background and experience, I would be glad help you learn the material. But if the material is too advanced for you, I would tell you what you would need to do to advance to the point where learning that particular exercise would be worthwhile. 

 

Everyone buying relatively expensive videos from unauthorized--or even authorized Bok Fu Pai--websites should think about these  couple of very important classical adages in Chinese martial arts that I've discussed several times on this thread. 

The first one is: 

"When you are ready, the material will be made available to you."   That is, it will be literally given to you. You won't have to buy it at great expense and then wonder how to use it!

 

The second truth is: 

"The wrong person with the correct teaching (the truth) will still not benefit from it.  But the right person even with the wrong exercise (incomplete) will still make it work and derive benefit."

 

You had posted:

And are very nice. I wish I knew more about them, where they are from, from what larger BFP system, what level, etc.

That  info that you're asking about should be on the video to begin with.  That such basic info is not included in the video is a sign that the footage might have been gotten by the purveyor by illicit or dishonest means. 

 

Also, the first one is 9 meditations combined together? Can we identify those 9 and practice the separately?

Having not seen the video, I have idea what you are talking about with regards to 9 meditations combined and wheter you can practice them separately.

 

Frederic, and  everyone else out there reading this:   please let's try to stick to the subject of Flying Phoenix Qigong on this thread.

 

Regards,

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

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Does anyone of the Flying Phoenix practitioners around here have experience with David Berceli's Tension & Trauma Release Exercises (TRE), or some other type of exercises that activate spontaneous shaking and tremors?

 

Any seasoned FP practitioner knows how the FP energy releases tension and causes spontaneous shaking. It would be sensible synergy if releasing tensions through other means enhanced the FP healing mechanism.

 

I started a routine of first having many standing FP exercises in row, followed by 20 minutes of TRE, and then supine Monk Holding Pearl for rest for at least 10 minutes. It seems to me that the TRE's deep release of tension is amplifying the benefits of FP healing energy and I feel abundant vitality after practice. Can anyone confirm or invalidate this hypothesis through their own experience?

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