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2 hours ago, C T said:

I suppose it didn't help matters much when admin chimed in with his personal political preferences. Some may've misunderstood that to mean consent, began to form wild assumptions, lost sight of decorum, and likely felt emboldened as time passed to raise their voices in an effort to prove their rightness. 

 

Except I don't have a personal political preference...   so your mis-interpretation may be the point... that others took a similar mis-interpretation.    I don't like to trash talk people, so my lack of offensive language means I side with a side?    I'm sure that is not your meaning but it kind of comes through a bit.    I like to leave the trash talking to those who like to do it.   

 

I am for freedom of speech as was mentioned but the idea that an extreme left or right should be valued is idealistic and not the way here.   Such folks are usually gone rather quickly, or not allowed.   [General talk, not meant directed to quote]. 

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39 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

I'd like a hug .

 

 

Wait .....   send a picture first .

Lets have yours jackass ūüėė

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I'll add this too .... while I think of it . I see a few comments about socialism, communism, etc  (or whatever  lefty label ) never works, falls apart , splits,  eventually turns to capitalism , etc .

 

First, I agree partially with this ; I have observed it and lived it. Its a 'human group problem ' , any group can have them .. DO have them.

 

I have studied a fair bit on this  due to interest in  anthropology,  socio-cultural models , etc .  There are some remedies, but I want to talk about how it CAN work . 

 

It really hit home when the Judge ( God bless her ! ) at the end of our winning our Supreme Court case ( the govt, trying to seize our land and property ) said a  few simple words .

 

From a Supreme Court Judge  mind you .

 

Background context  :   We are clearly winning and the situation is becoming more and more frustrating and embarrassing for the  persecutors ....  excuse me , I mean  prosecutors    (   a 'mistake' I also made in court   :D  )  .... she is getting more flustered and angry and finally she looses the plot and bursts out in a tirade   ( excellent ! as I KNEW this was a hugest had not surfaced  part of her motivation and anger ... it just had not surfaced  ) .

 

" But ... but ... your Honor !  These are  .... people , that , that ... most of do not work in proper jobs, they laze around most of the day on a million dollar pristine river front property ... for a  a contribution of  $30 a week each  and they are not even paying off a mortgage  ! "

 

The judge smiled at her and  ( knowing full well the legality of our company and 'operations ' - after presiding over a 2 year legal battle on that very subject  ) ...  and handing down her decision .

 

"  Yes  Ms Sharpe .  They ran their company  very well, didnt they ? "

 

Thus IMO acknowledging that it WAS  possible to legally live that within the current system  ... and be successful at it .

 

- now there are also elements of why it doesnt work at times or work better, but that is another issue .

 

PS  .   Our lawyer was incredulous at first when the case opened  ; " I dont believe it ! How do you you guys do this  !  " 

 

" What ? "

 

"  Your case just came up before the Chief Justice so she could allocate a  which judge was going to hear it . She read the outline and said " I will take this one myself . '  "

 

" So ?

 

" She is the only judge in the Supreme Court that got bought up on a hippy commune ! '

 

 

:D       -   

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10 minutes ago, dawei said:

 

Except I don't have a personal political preference...   so your mis-interpretation may be the point... that others took a similar mis-interpretation.    I don't like to trash talk people, so my lack of offensive language means I side with a side?    I'm sure that is not your meaning but it kind of comes through a bit.    I like to leave the trash talking to those who like to do it.   

 

I am for freedom of speech as was mentioned but the idea that an extreme left or right should be valued is idealistic and not the way here.   Such folks are usually gone rather quickly, or not allowed.   [General talk, not meant directed to quote]. 

 

Im saying they misrepresented your patience to mean consent for acting with increasing boldness, and losing their sense of self moderation, something thats encouraged here, in the process. 

 

I did not imply you enjoyed trash talk, unlike "them". lol

 

Freedom of speech has inbuilt responsibilities that matured minds use like a treasure to be cherished and as a means to dignify others, while those that got banned may not have had proper schooling in such responsibilities as it seems they insist on bastardizing the privilege. I dont know, but thats what I observed from their lack of communicative discipline. I could be wrong. 

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5 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Unless it's the haiku chain, I tend to avoid Chang (what with me being a woman and all), so after reading this I wandered back to his post to see what he was getting on about this time in regard to women.. only I didn't see anything about women in the post.. 

 

Yes, the caricature would be accurate regarding posts I could easily find.. but not here. 

 

And, in regard to (an overall) this, am I allowed to ask, "where the hell have you been?"

 

I though he said he fell in love  ?

 

Anything ... anywhere  ....    can happen then     :)  

 

or do you want the deets    :D

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1 hour ago, ilumairen said:

 

:throws a grape towards nungali's nose:

 

I'll have you know .... I can snort a grape up my nose  .... and then swallow it .

 

Its a party trick  I do   .... to impress the women  .

 

 

 

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Theoretically, it shouldn¬īt matter -- the rules ought to be the same for everybody.¬† Would they be out if they¬īd called me a dipshit?¬† I can¬īt know for sure but judging from past experience I doubt it.¬† Even so, I think the right decision was made, at least in the case of Windwalker.¬† He¬īs been curmudgeonly and snide and sneakily hostile -- for years now.¬† The board may have been good for him but he has not been good for the board.¬† And it¬īs not simply that I disagree with his politics.¬† I often disagree just as strongly with other right-leaning¬†Bums (Joeblast and Redcairo come to mind) whom I respect and consider friends.¬†¬†

 

 

Hang on ! 

 

 

I just realised I been conversing with people here about all sorts of stuff  .... and I never realised, or it has never arisen that they are  'right '   or  'left ' .

 

Just as well I stayed outa the Trump thread !   :)

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Hang on ! 

 

 

I just realised I been conversing with people here about all sorts of stuff  .... and I never realised, or it has never arisen that they are  'right '   or  'left ' .

 

Just as well I stayed outa the Trump thread !   :)

 

 

Good for you, Nungali, good for you!  As a sidenote, I use my own Hogwarts sorting hat to put people into categories.  Left to their own devices, the Bums in question might put themselves in a different category or, like Dawai, consider themselves without a category altogether.

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50 minutes ago, Pilgrim said:

Lets have yours jackass ūüėė

 

 

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You might need to enlarge it , I cant ( since it got changed from a square to a circle  ..... by the  MODS   :angry:   There they go again !  Damn them !

 

< fist shake > 

 

Of course I am not gonna put my pic up on public forum  !    Then  you will all know who it is !

 

Of course, the privileged that can open this may see  ;

 

 

Spoiler

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On 7/26/2019 at 7:24 PM, Nungali said:

Lao left 

 

Lao would be left, you would think, but only from a love everyone point of view. If you really get down to it he is a libertarian freedom loving people lover. Left is big government and Lao is all about personal freedom.

 

One of the more important distinctions with Lao Tzu is people's good will.

The left believes good will should be forced upon people through the power of the government: homeless shelters, food stamps, universal health care, heath care for immigrants.

 

Whereas Lao Tzu believed there was nothing to force and that people's true nature was giving. So by keeping taxes low and less government, people's innate giving would be able to flourish naturally.

 

Lao Tzu

Laozi (Lao Tzu) was a natural mystic, an elusive free spirit who saw humanity & nature together as part of the Way. He believed those who understand their innate connection with the whole would never act out of narrow self-interest.

 

"

People starve.

The rulers consume too much with their taxes.

That is why people starve.


People are hard to govern.

The rulers interfere with too much.

That is why people are hard to govern."

-Lao Tzu

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7 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Good for you, Nungali, good for you!  As a sidenote, I use my own Hogwarts sorting hat to put people into categories.  Left to their own devices, the Bums in question might put themselves in a different category or, like Dawai, consider themselves without a category altogether.

 

I just never thought about that  .    Left or right views, when I ' talked ' to them  ?

 

Hmmmm     < thinks >

 

Wait up !   Some of you might be   .... black .

 

 

... or 'even gay ' !

 

 

I gotta sit down and think this one through !

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9 minutes ago, MooNiNite said:

 

Lao would be left, you would think. But left is big government and lao is all about personal freedom.

 

I think Lao left when the government got big .

 

Just a bit bigger than the  'normal' human sized 'horde'   ( 'extended family  primate group )  could handle , thus creating the  FICTION  of ALL POLITICAL SYSTEMS .

 

have you read   ' Sapiens '  by  Yuval Noah Harari ?  Its interesting and an 'easy read' style .

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapiens:_A_Brief_History_of_Humankind

 

extract -

 

"¬† Harari's main argument is that Sapiens came to dominate the world because it is the only animal that can cooperate flexibly in large numbers. He argues that prehistoric Sapiens were a key cause of the extinction of other human species such as the Neanderthals, along with numerous other megafauna. He further argues that the ability of Sapiens to cooperate in large numbers arises from its unique capacity to believe in things existing purely in the imagination, such as gods, nations, money, and human rights. He argues that these beliefs give rise to discrimination- whether that be racial,sexual or political and it is potentially impossible to have a completely unbiased society. Harari claims that all large-scale human cooperation systems ‚Äď including religions, political structures, trade networks, and legal institutions ‚Äď owe their emergence to Sapiens' distinctive cognitive capacity for fiction.[5] Accordingly, Harari regards money as a system of mutual trust and sees political and economic systems as more or less identical with religions.

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4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

I just never thought about that  .    Left or right views, when I ' talked ' to them  ?

 

Hmmmm     < thinks >

 

Wait up !   Some of you might be   .... black .

 

 

... or 'even gay ' !

 

 

I gotta sit down and think this one through !

 

Then you¬īre a better man than I am, Nungali.¬† Maybe it¬īs an Aussie thing?¬† (Oh there I go again, boxing people into categories based on preconceptions.¬† I¬īm a bit rigid that way -- what can I say?)

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Just now, liminal_luke said:

 

Then you¬īre a better man than I am, Nungali.¬† Maybe it¬īs an Aussie thing?¬† (Oh there I go again, boxing people into categories based on preconceptions.¬† I¬īm a bit rigid that way -- what can I say?)

 

A different man lets say, if we must .

 

And it just may be an Aussie thing  ... to an extent  - of course no  Yanks are all alike nor Aussies .  But we do have types that seem to fit the mould , in some ways or others .  I like to joke about that too .

 

Oooo tha antics on our multi cultural work crew ... hilarious !

 

But regarding this Aussie thing , specifically in interaction with the 'American thing'    I still dont know what to call those guys ???? Isnt an Argentinian  an 'American "     USAian   ??

 

Anyway, regarding the  USA / Aust 'cultural thing  ' I had a woman from USA go OFF at me this morning on another site 

 

I'll put my response here as well , as way of explanation of what I mean

 

Visit Australia ... we all like this . image.gif.7830bce9a3b6433867d3a0b7844d6167.gif

I note you are from USA, often the Yanks would be shocked with us ( I worked a lot with them in the film industry ) - American ; " Oh my God, There are two men having a fist fight in the corner of studio 4 ! "

Aussies ; " I bet a 50 on Stevo ! "

 

.....

 

Here is another dynamic that many get confused about , also at work, same job

 

My boss calling out to and abusing people ,  to a 'dark skinned gentleman '   ;

 

" Oi , get your n***** arse over here and do some work ... bastard ! "

 

people are horrified ... some . But then later, what they dont see  ; said  bastard sitting in mess tent looking awful

 

(mocking ) Boss   " Now what ?  "

 

" My car blew its head gasket, I cant afford to fix it, how the hell am I going to get to work way out here  .... going broke ... mumble mumbe ... wife will kill me ... no other job ...  moan moan .

 

 Boss ; < throws him some keys > ' "Here . use work van, we only use it at work, you can take it home at night   and bring it back in morning until you get on your feet . '

 

 

or even  like   @    0.09

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Thank you for the sharing.. but there are things I'm more confused about than I was before. 

 

Such as how do you believe Mccarthyism applies to the way people view the left? And what people?

 

And (even more puzzling to me) how is anarchy leftist?

 

McCarthyism is the gross oversimplification and total lack of understanding of even the basic definition of socialism itself. Everyone is a "dirty pinko commie traitor" in the eyes of every Joseph McCarthy who sees you talking to a pretty girl or handsome guy who happens to be an activist on campus and scrutinizes you and your family of cavorting with the communists.

 

What's worse is that Senator Joseph McCarthy himself was so insensitive and clueless to the consequences of his accusations and witch hunt (he was actually worse back then than Trump is now) that when he saw a friend whom he had accused prior for being a communist and had his entire life threatened, Joe put his hand on the guy's shoulder and said, "Hey pal, how ya been?!" thinking they would be able to get drinks and talk about baseball as usual the following week. He was surprised the guy told him to go fuck himself and never talk to him again, as though what he was doing was not a big deal--Joe honestly did not know the consequences of the poison tree seeds he was planting everywhere. It should be noted that he also had presidential ambitions.

 

Expanding upon that, it is the same basic concept: nobody asks for context or to learn, they just focus on the labels and negative associations with it. As we have seen on the forum, most people defining the "Left" here are not actually describing actual Leftists, but the modern bastardized syncretic amalgamation of concepts associated with Leftist activists as they have done as far back in the 1960s.

 

It's the same as saying that because someone plays video games, that person is obviously a loser living in his parents' basement and obese without realizing that the said gamer is one of the top lawyers at a firm who has been representing pro-bono marginalized people and immigrants from Chinese-speaking groups, is fluent in three Chinese dialects and English, is a published author, and has her own independent fashion brand available for people in the L.A. metro area?

 

All because someone said "I am a gamer" and they made those assumptions of the stereotype until they find out that not only is the stereotype wrong, but it has nothing to do with the actual individual or complexities and appeal of something (Leftist views, Feminism, gaming, hockey, cheeseburgers, ice cream, alternative rock, whatever) that can appeal to many people instead of outdated stereotypes they try to associate with them? 

 

So in other words, and an example, if I were to say I read "Everyday Feminism" the website, someone would tell me I am a blue pill (in reference to the Men's Rights Movement) and take too much soy, have been emasculated, and am weak. Not true at all. If I were to say I watch pornography, someone would tell me that I'm an involuntary celibate (incel) and sexist and abusive. If I were to say I love Godzilla movies, someone would tell me I am a loser for watching stupid fake monsters fighting. If I tell someone I do Tai Chi, they would call me a weakling who can't win in a real fight (as said many times by armchair professionals who have never trained or fought themselves). Not once do they actually ask me why I do the things I do. 

 

People don't actually ask why you believe what you do or like what you like or care to understand. They just want to label you and associate you with the label's stereotypes. If they do care to ask you, some are not trying to understand, but to give you a prepared response to things they anticipate you saying. This is McCarthyism's root in how it affects people's absolutist fearmongering tendencies even into the present era.

 

Now as for anarchy being Leftist--let's again say that the definition of "Left" varies from individual to individual. If "Left" means a community of individuals working towards the greater good without a centralized structure, then that's already anarchy, but if people think Left automatically assumes a centralized command like in the Soviet Union and top-down structure is Left, then the latter definition is not anarchy.

 

How they both get lumped together is again people missing the point even if historically people from those ideologies had dialogues and engagements with one another to help influence their ability to put their ideals into action.

 

Lastly, socialism and anarchism both share in common criticisms of the capitalist system and its power structures that dominate people unfairly.

 

How those ideals are implemented however is up for scrutiny, and the fruits of those actions are what people look at and jump to conclusions, such as someone in Iowa looking at Cuba and North Korea and saying with absolute certainty that communism failed there and oppresses people, so any kind of Leftist view is evil. 

 

People simply have a hard time being open to understanding and dealing with complexities, simple as that. 

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18 hours ago, Chang said:

 

I think that we have to face the fact that Socialism is a form of insanity

Stopped reading right there.  Make a freakin argument.  (I can say argument or gtfo and you'll take it as the joke I meant it as, right?  lol!  because "X or GTFO" is just a sort of meme, and you understand that, unlike some others...lol...)

 

The rules to abide by:

 

www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

If you're going to make a point, be specific, factual, and you cant make the other side of the debate into a mindless zombie by your words or your point immediately fails to reach 85% of the audience.  Unfortunately some specific and factual - like pointing out most of the ideas simply arent in accord with the laws of the USA - is just going to be ignored, because well..."they cant be shot down that easily" or some such, lol...(except they can and they should when its the USA we're talking about.)

 

18 hours ago, Apech said:

 

My main value as a cultivator (an ageing one at that) is to left alone to do/believe/practise what I want without interference.  But I recognise outside of that, that society has its own evolution which is expressed by politics.  The course of this evolution is like a great river fed by many streams and impacted by major forces which despite the posturing of politicians are outside their control.  I mean things like the Industrial Revolution or even the 2008 financial crisis - which are like resets to society which need response and adjustment.  S&L Crisis, dotcombubble, the great bankster jamboree payoff of 2008, are all pumpin & dumpin & richiest buying back at pennies on the dollar, especially to those entities not in favor of the bankster coalition. One of the biggest undercurrent energy flows is how the banksters have helped shape history over the past couple hundred years.  In fact I would say that 2008 and the response of austerity/using public money for bank liquidity determines our current politics.  You can't blame people voting Trump when they have been screwed through the Obama years.

 

I think the things that will determine our future politics are IT, AI and climate change (man made or no) - these forces will revolutionise how we work and live.  What we need to do is think of ways to live in harmony with these larger forces while preserving our welfare and freedom.

Always enjoy reading your stuff bro

 

17 hours ago, rideforever said:

Because the catastrophic lack of intelligence and consciousness of human beings ensures that every idea is twisted and betrayed before it ever goes into society, and there are so many people drying to hurt each other, and trip each other up that nothing ever ever results.

Its not quite so much lack of intelligence, but alignment of values, interests, and needs.  Most people just want to live their lives without anyone or anything fkn things up.

 

But where this gets way worse is on Bankster Planet, where corruption reigns and hurting others winds up being perversely incentivized.  Its terrible to see people Stockholm Syndrome'd into supporting banksters and outflows of banksterism, which is what we see with most of the left right now.  (I can only hope the prosecutions go all the way to every last string, but I'm sure its difficult for anyone to imagine the central banks being appreciably affected by this whole matter of "the transnational criminal orgs."  There's a lot that winds up tying into the banks, and banks who are part of central banks...very big problem to manage.)

 

 

16 hours ago, steve said:

 

So many ways to respond here but I'll try to be brief.

But I dont want Hillary Clinton in Gitmo because I hate democrats or leftists, its because she's a corrupt evil woman who has a decades long history of using and abusing her positions for personal gain as well as a system of retribution, and it was all enabled by the CIA, which are really just the Global Fascist Secret Police along with MI6, Mossad.  I hope I'm not included in your perception of the wackyness, because I dont see myself as having been rude like others - just a bit spicy here and there.  (ralis interactions aside, he gets rude I reciprocate, maybe that cycle can be stopped, eh) 

 

I'll tell ya though, the lack of compassion about the victims of these trafficking networks is just horrible, coming from so many people who talk about having so much compassion.  This situation, all of you have your backs firmly turned against the victims here - so its partially why I'm here wondering why there's this bit of hypocrisy going on whereby "you sensible lefties" simply refuse to examine any of the information that says these things exist, showing a dire lack of compassion coming from compassion champions.  I'd ask for the CogDis to be explained but I know I'll just get a "well I simply dont believe any of that is true" except more and more its being shown to be an ignorant position here. 

 

I never meant to be rude about the MSM's chorus having affected folks such as yourself on this matter, again, just calling balls & strikes.  It has indeed been the case, I'm not saying that with any sort of malice - just saying wake up they're lying like mad, its part of the design.

 

 

15 hours ago, thelerner said:

The U.S is both.  Our socialist programs improve and save peoples lives.  They are something to be proud.  There's always a sweet spot though. 

The biggest issue is that this country was designed so that the States can decide those things for themselves.  Instead we have a centralized behemoth that by and large operates entirely outside of its authority and does all kinds of things, assumes all kinds of powers, that are not enumerated for them to have, but have instead seized upon tiny vagaries in language and exploited them to the hilt.

 

I'm unpopular for saying Sorry, Social Security is Unconstitutional, but I'm saying that because I'm calling balls & strikes and it is simply not any sort of enumerated function that the federal government may decide it can or must have.  Period end of story, it is a perversion upon the constitution just like a great many other things that people just take for granted.

 

I dont know how people can even argue this stuff, except from an emotional standpoint of "I feel in this case its a good reason to discard the Fundamentals of the Republic."  That is literally the *ONLY* argument for these things.  "Its the proper moral compassionate response, so please pay into this black box that will be periodically raided so that we'll have a good excuse to charge more from you for all of it."

 

If the fedgov werent so huge, then the States themselves would have far more resources with which to implement these things, and do it in an actual lawful manner and not sneaky having everything contain some % of lie in it. 

 

 

13 hours ago, Apech said:

All western democracies are capitalist with social programmes - all that varies is the balance - with the US being on the low end of the scale with respect to social programmes like healthcare.

And my response to thelerner is precisely why "The USA is behind in social programs" - because most of them are not Constitutional for the Federal Government.

 

Which globalist was it that said,

"The illegal, we do right away - the Unconstitutional, takes a little longer."

I dont recall...

 

(Undercurrent of subversion of nations again)

 

 

13 hours ago, Apech said:

 I still find it staggering that there is no form of universal health care in the US - I can't see who is gaining from that.

Free Market implemented properly, would mean the vast majority of everyone gains from it, except the very richest & very poorest.  Very richest doesnt matter except for what they arrange to thieve from everyone else.  I still dont know why I only have 2 super pricey options to choose from because that's all that's offered - if there were too much competition then the big corporations might not get that 10,000% return on lobbying corrupt government officials. 

 

Our biggest problems are not Left or Right, but Honestly Implemented Government.

 

 

12 hours ago, C T said:

 

The most controversial source of excess spending, though, is rent-seeking by health-care firms. This is when companies extract outsize profits relative to the capital they deploy and risks they take. Schumpeter has estimated the scale of gouging across the health-care system. Although it does not explain the vast bulk of America’s overspending, the sums are big by any other standard, with health-care firms making excess profits of $65bn a year. Surprisingly, the worst offenders are not pharmaceutical firms but an army of corporate health-care middlemen. (The Economist - March '18) 

Healthcare firms went bonkos once Justice Roberts decided SCOTUS could write law as well as interpret and avoid the pesky matter of having those changes actually ratified by Congress...

 

Whether one supports Healthcare for All or not, they should be 100% against breaking the Republic and bypassing its checks and balances.  I was amazed how many simply denied the bypassing of checks & balances even took place, literally every aspect of Obamacare was a lie.

 

 

11 hours ago, C T said:

 

Could it be they were emboldened by restrained moderation for their lack of manners? 

Its good the voice of breitbart on TDB has been rested pending reviews, as per admin's announcement. 

hehehe, mention manners then toss out a pejorative like that :P  You know I'm gonna have to call you out on that!

 

I hope you're aware that Breitbart used to be relatively Left and worked for Huffington Post, and was aggravated that he was being prevented from reporting on subjects that were sensitive to...(what we now see are the transnational criminal orgs)...and he eventually left to establish his own media company because of it.

 

The way "voice of Breitbart" is used as a pejorative is ignorant of his quest for truth and its just a logical fallacy to not look at information that's sensitive to the transnational criminal orgs.  But its designed that way by forces that subvert humanity, whose secret assassins likely are the reason for Brietbart's heart attack.  They only made Brietbart into a dirty word because Brietbart was weaponized information, and if the world knows the extent of it, then it means the end of the transnational criminal orgs.

 

(Oh, there you go with those conspiracy theories again!)  (well, watch it become yet another conspiracy fact :P )

 

Two way road fellas, if Lefties are asking righties for a respect check then that mirror gotta shine in both directions or the whole exercise is a farce.

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On 7/25/2019 at 5:16 AM, laughingblade said:

Hi my name is Rich, and I'm a leftist. I'm in the UK, so socialism, equality of opportunity, NHS, social care, workers rights etc.

 

It's weird to see good, insightful posts from people in the main forums, who I then see also hold strong right-wing views. I wonder where the development of compassion got left behind. Mind you, I see it IRL as well where seemingly reasonable people with apparently healthy cultivation/meditation practices dive right down the conspiracy rabbit-holes at the earliest opportunity. The result is that I no longer trust peoples' insights, and have to take more care to investigate practice as-it-is instead of taking things on more face value.

 

Rich

 

 

Rich!  I remember you from Yamu's qigong class in Springfield MO.  And, of course, your gorgeous blue eyes. I hope you're doing well!  And Sean! you were there too!  So nice to see you posting again!  Big hugs to you both.

 

I don't have a lot to add to this discussion - although I am a leftist, I don't have a lot of specific opinions other than being absolutely convinced that our president is the tool of Mr. Putin.  I have a mental image of Putin sitting on a work bench, stirring a big bucket of red, white, and blue paint; Trump is the paint stick he's stirring with.  I think the current chaos is intentional, and I've heard it said that chaos is right out of the Russian playbook.  The man-made cyclone around us renders us immobile in the sense that we can't stop long enough to focus on any one thing, and this seems to be the intent.  And from the point of view of just being a good human being, I can't for the life of me see how folks who otherwise seem to have deep understanding of the cosmic laws that govern are sucked in by such a mean spirited political view - a view where the rest of the world is unimportant, where racism is rearing its ugly head more each day.  Where the conditions at the border are allowed to exist; and where Money is the god.  This whole administrative scenario truly seems to be a swamp where creatures are unearthed daily.

 

Other than that, things are going swimmingly.

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12 minutes ago, manitou said:

 

 

Rich!  I remember you from Yamu's qigong class in Springfield MO.  And, of course, your gorgeous blue eyes. I hope you're doing well!  And Sean! you were there too!  So nice to see you posting again!  Big hugs to you both.

 

I don't have a lot to add to this discussion - although I am a leftist, I don't have a lot of specific opinions other than being absolutely convinced that our president is the tool of Mr. Putin.  I have a mental image of Putin sitting on a work bench, stirring a big bucket of red, white, and blue paint; Trump is the paint stick he's stirring with.  I think the current chaos is intentional, and I've heard it said that chaos is right out of the Russian playbook.  The man-made cyclone around us renders us immobile in the sense that we can't stop long enough to focus on any one thing, and this seems to be the intent.  And from the point of view of just being a good human being, I can't for the life of me see how folks who otherwise seem to have deep understanding of the cosmic laws that govern are sucked in by such a mean spirited political view - a view where the rest of the world is unimportant, where racism is rearing its ugly head more each day.  Where the conditions at the border are allowed to exist; and where Money is the god.  This whole administrative scenario truly seems to be a swamp where creatures are unearthed daily.

 

Other than that, things are going swimmingly.

 

I have thought along the same lines for years. Obviously there is a vast difference between realizing how the cosmos works and just talking about it. The latter in general leads one to form an anthropocentric point of view which can and will have dangerous consequences.

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2 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

I have thought along the same lines for years. Obviously there is a vast difference between realizing how the cosmos works and just talking about it. The latter in general leads one to form an anthropocentric point of view which can and will have dangerous consequences.

The worse part isn't racism but denial of climate change. Racism is bad but it only affects one segment of humanity. Climate change denial prevents the needed legislation and way of life changes that will save the whole planet and all the humans that live and will live in the future!

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15 hours ago, dawei said:

Except I don't have a personal political preference ...   so your mis-interpretation may be the point... that others took a similar mis-interpretation.

 

Respectfully, I'd submit that imagining one doesn't have a political preference is always a blind spot or disingenuous.

 

3 hours ago, joeblast said:

Stopped reading right there.  Make a freakin argument. 

 

The rules to abide by:

 

www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

For what it's worth, it's hardly offensive when misogynist racist grandpas call socialism a mental illness.

 

What logical syllogism can liberate a closed heart with terrible aesthetics?

 

This is also the danger with far-right conspiracy theories, e.g., QAnon and Pizzagate lunacy. It's not that there aren't bits and pieces of horrifying and often unacknowledged truth in conspiracies. That's precisely what helps transform them into a compelling mode of religious belief.

 

Please consider that literally no amount of tit for tat "facts and logic" in response to your ceaseless, colossal posts will ever put a dent in your religious faith. You're a true believer.

 

Sean

 

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2 hours ago, joeblast said:

.)But I dont want Hillary Clinton in Gitmo because I hate democrats or leftists, its because she's a corrupt evil woman who has a decades long history of using and abusing her positions for personal gain as well as a system of retribution, and it was all enabled by the CIA, which are really just the Global Fascist Secret Police along with MI6, Mossad.  I hope I'm not included in your perception of the wackyness, because I dont see myself as having been rude like others - just a bit spicy here and there.  (ralis interactions aside, he gets rude I reciprocate, maybe that cycle can be stopped, eh) 

 

I'll tell ya though, the lack of compassion about the victims of these trafficking networks is just horrible, coming from so many people who talk about having so much compassion.  This situation, all of you have your backs firmly turned against the victims here - so its partially why I'm here wondering why there's this bit of hypocrisy going on whereby "you sensible lefties" simply refuse to examine any of the information that says these things exist, showing a dire lack of compassion coming from compassion champions.  I'd ask for the CogDis to be explained but I know I'll just get a "well I simply dont believe any of that is true" except more and more its being shown to be an ignorant position here. 

 

I never meant to be rude about the MSM's chorus having affected folks such as yourself on this matter, again, just calling balls & strikes.  It has indeed been the case, I'm not saying that with any sort of malice - just saying wake up they're lying like mad, its part of the design.

 

Project whatever you like Joe.

You don’t really know much about my politics.

 

Are you in my perception of whacky?

Oh yes

Nice but definitely whacky!

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3 minutes ago, Zork said:

The worse part isn't racism but denial of climate change. Racism is bad but it only affects one segment of humanity. Climate change denial prevents the needed legislation and way of life changes that will save the whole planet and all the humans that live and will live in the future!

 

The political polarization of climate change is the issue for me--what should be a nonpartisan issue has become a partisan issue and now is causing all the progress and cooperation to address this to slow down and even go backwards due to people viewing it as a Leftist fantasy. 

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I have noticed a lot of threads disappearing and re-threaded into Personal Practice Discussions, because of gangs of people who only have "no" to say and after they have said it continue to say it until the thread is burning ash. 

So the re-threading allows the deletion of such activities.

It seems to me a large part of the site will disappear into a "microcosmic orbit" in the PPD, an inner copy of the outer.

Other members quite fancy having a punch up on their threads in Off Grid.

 

So, one way of regulating the site is to have an area in the main body of the site where thread owners can delete unwanted posts, and another area which already exists where open combat and thread stomping is practised.  And then everybody gets what they want.

 

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32 minutes ago, manitou said:

And Sean! you were there too!  So nice to see you posting again!  Big hugs to you both.

 

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7 minutes ago, Zork said:

The worse part isn't racism but denial of climate change. Racism is bad but it only affects one segment of humanity. Climate change denial prevents the needed legislation and way of life changes that will save the whole planet and all the humans that live and will live in the future!

 

I agree that AGW is threatening life in this biosphere and it may be too late to stop it. The 6th mass extinction is happening as we speak.

 

There is a Climate Change thread here which was blown up by several deniers. Voidisyinyang superbly documented unimpeachable sources for anyone to read and understand. Old Student is a mathematician who gave much input to the thread and his analysis of complex systems i.e, initial conditions, is worth reading.

 

 

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