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Let's talk some more about possible locations for Plato's Atlantis...


So far, we have looked at the area of the Antilles (including the Bahama archipelago) as possibly the best candidate. In regards to this, I just came across a really weird story reported by Reuters New Agency on May 14 2001. A company called Advanced Digital Communications (ADC), run by Polish-Canadian ocean engineer Pauline Zelitsky and her husband businessman Paul Weinzweg, was given a job by the Cuban government to search for ship wrecks possibly containing treasures.This was a joint venture with the National Geographic Society and the Centre for Marine Archaeology and Anthropology at the Cuban Academy of Sciences.


ADC has been characterised as "a heavyweight" when it comes to maritime survey and salvage operations; just testing their equipment in Havana Bay, they made it into the news locating the long-missing wreck of the USS Maine that had sunk in 1898 after a mysterious explosion on board.


But what they found off Cuba's western shore buffled even these veterans. For their high-resolution sonar images showed them nothing less than a veritable city, complete with roads and buildings - most notably pyramids! - submerged at an incredible depth of 700 metres. Incredible because sea levels rose no more than 120 metres since the last glacial maximum some 20.000 years ago. Which obviously implies that - for those apparently man-built structures to end up so deeply submerged - the sea floor must have substantially lowered itself. Which brings us back to abovementioned theory advocated by P. P. Flambas in his book, stating that a huge isotonic effect (yet unrecognised by academic science) led to the submergence of a considerable landmass in the Carribean at the end of the last ice age.


According to what the couple running ADC said in an interview, later it was possible to videotape some of the very large stones, smoothely cut and fit on one another, and carrying mysterious symbols resembling e.g. Mesoamerican hieroglyphs.


What this reconstructed sonar image presents is in fact reminiscent of the pyramid city Teotihuacan in Yucatan.




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A fast subsidence  of the sea floor (unbeknownst to official geology) has been suggested not only for the Carribean but also (at least by one Atlantis theorist) for the area of the Azores. There seems to be scant evidence for the latter, however.


Yet Plato wrote about one extreme portion of Atlantis being in front of the Strait of Gibraltar, which would be fair enough a statement in regards to the Azores only. But he also mentioned that the Atlanteans were ruling over  numerous islands, spread all over their ocean.


So  I figure he may have referred to the Azores as an Atlantean outpost, whereas the mainland could indeed have been located further West and in front of the American continent.


That said, I am not done yet with the part of Zhirov's book that defends the Azores-as-Atlantis theory. Thus, I may have more to say about this topic later.

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My first thoughts on this where ; "Not this again !  This is an OLD one ! " But still, I followed along and read the links you posted, and as usual, I have already done my 'other research' ,  on this ... and was loathe to bring it up, but in this case, I didnt have to as , and it is interesting that they did, the Atlantipedia cite  itself , below the article in its reference section links to  ;  "   a more critical review of the "   at


where it notes the following;


" ...  They were astonished to find in the survey off the Guanahacabibes Peninsula that some of the sonar images appeared to depict symmetrical features aligned to a grid. This prompted them to undertake a second survey, using a submersible robot. It was this second survey that returned data that seemed to show pyramids and other structures. Indeed, according to Paulina Zelitsky, the images suggested that the “city” was built from blocks of cut and polished granite.



(and regarding the depth , although you have presented a postulated, yet unaccepted , explanation - we again encounter the issue of 'selection' , ie, using Plato's details when it suits the situation at hand, and leaving out his details as significant, when they dont - and visa versa  ; )


" At no point during the Ice Age would they have been above sea level unless, of course, the land on which they stand has sunk. This is the claim made for Atlantis: according to Plato’s account (the only primary source for it), it was destroyed σεισμῶν ἐξαισίων καὶ κατακλυσμῶν (“by violent earthquakes and floods”). However, if we take Plato at his word – as we must if we assume Atlantis to have been an historical place – the violence of its sinking makes it improbable that an entire city could have survived plunging more than 600 m into an abyss.


" Remember that this was μιᾶς ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς χαλεπῆς (“in one fearful day and night”); also recall that διὸ καὶ νῦν ἄπορον καὶ ἀδιερεύνητον γέγονεν τοὐκεῖ πέλαγος͵ πηλοῦ κάρτα βραχέος ἐμποδὼν ὄντος͵ ὃν ἡ νῆσος ἱζομένη παρέσχετο (“and this is why the sea in that are is to this day impassable to navigation, which is hindered by mud just below the surface, the remains of the sunken island”). Rapid sinking would devastate structures; the persistence of mud just below the surface suggests that the sinking was not to a depth of 600-740 m. Unless we are prepared to jettison Plato’s text – the sole source for the story of Atlantis – we cannot

identify the features found by Paulina Zelitsky with Atlantis.


" The next problem involves trying to understand what the sonar shows. All the fancy graphics showing pyramid-like structures are computer generated: they are not photographs of things seen under the sea. All the detail is limited to the resolution of the side-scan sonar, which is not good enough to determine whether the supposed structures exhibit 90° angles, let alone confirm the claims that some stones are covered in hieroglyphs. The initial images, which do not have the three-dimensional data provided by the side-scanning sonar, show rectilinear but not rigorously right-angled features, so I suspect that the angularity of the generated images is an artefact of the processing, much like many of the details claimed for the ‘Face on Mars’. We have some interesting sonar images that are basically like ink-blot tests: they need interpreting and the interpretation is entirely dependent upon the preconceptions an biases of those looking at them. Paulina Zeltisky was predisposed to see artificiality, because that is what she was being paid to do (even if the artificiality she was specifically interested in involved sunken ships). Others have seen geological formations.


- the Wiki article on 'Guanahacabibes Peninsula ancient city ' says much the same .


even Ancient origins site cites this ;


" In the media storm that followed the announcement of the discovery, news sites were quick to draw parallels with the fabled lost city of Atlantis. However, Zelitsky and Weinzweig were unwilling to make such comparisons.  The story is myth, said Zelitsky. "What we have found is more likely remnants of a local culture," once located on a 100-mile "land bridge" that joined Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula with Cuba.  Iturralde added that there are local legends of the Maya and native Yucatecos that tell of an island inhabited by their ancestors that vanished beneath the waves. Nevertheless, Iturralde does not discount the possibility that the rock formations are merely the result of the wonders of Mother Nature. “Nature is able to create some really unimaginable structures,” he said.




"  The quick dismissal of the story has led some to question whether there has been a suppression of information regarding the finding. However, Fitzpatrick-Matthews claims the story simply went cold and that in the end experts were not convinced that Zelitsky had really discovered a sunken city. "


... and we haven't really heard about it since .


Till now     ;)





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