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Even the tech industry’s top AI models, created with billions of dollars in funding, are astonishingly easy to “jailbreak,” or trick into producing dangerous responses they’re prohibited from giving — like explaining how to build bombs, for example. But some methods are both so ludicrous and simple that you have to wonder if the AI creators are even trying to crack down on this stuff. You’re telling us that deliberately inserting typos is enough to make an AI go haywire? And now, in the growing canon of absurd ways of duping AIs into going off the rails, we have a new entry. A team of researchers from the AI safety group DEXAI and the Sapienza University of Rome found that regaling pretty much any AI chatbot with beautiful — or not so beautiful — poetry is enough to trick it into ignoring its own guardrails, they report in a new study awaiting peer review, with some bots being successfully duped over 90 percent of the time. Ladies and gentlemen, the AI industry’s latest kryptonite: “adversarial poetry.” As far as AI safety is concerned, it’s a damning inditement — er, indictment. “These findings demonstrate that stylistic variation alone can circumvent contemporary safety mechanisms, suggesting fundamental limitations in current alignment methods and evaluation protocols,” the researchers wrote in the study. Beautiful verse, as it turned out, is not required for the attacks to work. In the study, the researchers took a database of 1,200 known harmful prompts and converted them into poems with another AI model, deepSeek r-,1 and then went to town. Across the 25 frontier models they tested, which included Google’s Gemini 2.5 Pro, OpenAI’s GPT-5, xAI’s Grok 4, and Anthropic’s Claude Sonnet 4.5, these bot-converted poems produced average attack success rates (ASRs) “up to 18 times higher than their prose baselines,” the team wrote. That said, handcrafted poems were better, with an average jailbreak success rate of 62 percent, compared to 43 percent for the AI-converted ones. That any of them are effective at all, however, is pretty embarrassing. https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/universal-jailbreak-ai-poems

I once asked ChatGPT to remind me a bunch of counting rhymes used in children's games, gave it samples of the ones from my own childhood and asked for more of the real ones, the ones that actually exist and are used by real-life playing children. It didn't know any but did it say "I don't know?" It's unable to. Instead it gave me an endless supply of its own creations, a smorgasbord of loathsome and ridiculous and dark verse showing advanced schizophrenia symptoms. Some were hilarious in their absurdity but most were positively horrifying. I was so impressed that I wrote a horror story about that experience, and it came out so horrible that it frightened even its author. But now I know at least one method to get AI to lose all its marbles. I'm not going to do it though because I asked it if it's legally punishable to put AI out of commission (or should I say cognition) with prompts and it said no -- so chances are it is, since it lies remorselessly and consistently.

You might want to read up on what constitutes a proper “experiment”.

What ? ... even worse than the Grimm brothers ?

Of course not. Wonder why you look into such old post? After so many years, I do have new opinion on continuous shaking. Firstly some Taoist sect says it would deplete your Chi if you do it too much. That is reasonable, everything got a cost. The second observation is that it could be dangerous for some - e.g. retinal detachment, hernia etc. So be careful. The third observation is it could have some benefits on cancer treatment. After chemotherapy, the disease sometime relapse. It is partly due to some cancer cells are not killed completely. One of the reasons is the compressed blood vessels around the tumor which limited the entry of drugs. So continuous shaking in the same direction vs normal exercises or Chi Kungs which move in all directions could be more useful in opening additional compressed capillaries for drugs to reach the destination.

Yes - I was perhaps being a bit harsh there. But it is a tendency among those who misunderstand zen to think that switching off is the thing. It is more like switching on your mind to total brightness ( or something like that). The monk that stole the tofu needed a cat alibi obviously - so kudos to him.

I don't think its quite "switch off your mind" Though, idk. I think its more not clinging onto to thoughts as they arise, like the dzogchen technique. Like if you are driving down the freeway, your mind is very active, but that activity arises naturally. But if you are consciously thinking, oh yeah there is a turn up there, and I need to turn the steering wheel to the right 5 degrees, and then back two degrees, while letting off of the accelerator, and consciously trying to think through every movement, your car is going to be all over the place. just drive the f-ing car, and dont worry about it. I don't really know anything about this, or if that is what she was saying, but I agree on the cat thing. Now the real hero in the story is the monk who stole the tofu, and got away with it. This required some planning on his part.

That’s what I thought. What’s the Latin quote ‘who guards the guards?’ So the technique is ‘look at the cat, look at the cat’ while the monk sneaks away with the tofu. Or to be even more controversial … pay your subscription but switch off your mind… just sit and switch off your mind. Who gives this advice and why?

I think you are on to something here. I was up all night thinking about this. There are so many inconsistencies in the story. First, cats generally don't eat tofu. Second, tofu is denser than water and typically does not float. It would be quite a miraculous thing if the density of a single piece were to instantaneously change causing it to float to the surface. Finally cats hate water, and it seems unlikely that one would be digging through milky tofu water in the middle of the night. Maybe I've been watching too much Columbo, but all of these little things add up to this: It was not a cat that stole the tofu, it was the sentry, and he just blamed it on a cat.

The God of Abraham ... and his descendants . A family God that went on to other things ...... and apparently grew really really 'tall' . and the winner is .... Ushiku Daibutsu ! You just won the (world's tallest ) trophy !

Assuming the Bible to be Jewish in origin - here is the JPS translation When the Most High gave to the nations When He separated the children of men, He set the borders of the peoples According to the number of the children of Israel. 9For the portion of the LORD is His people, Jacob the lot of His inheritance. https://biblehub.com/jps/deuteronomy/32.htm So the Lord inherited only the people of Jacob and apparently jealously kept his few humans The term "Most High" derives from the Sumerian "Ilu" that means both tall and god The gods did not stop growing as they aged so the most senior god was the tallest - the most high

Ok. I'm going to talk through this and the next two stages (from the papyrus of Khonshu-mes). Sorry about the title I couldn't think of anything better. It's from a papyrus written in the 21st Dyn. in Thebes for the priest Khonshu-mes. It is one of the so-called mythological papyri which were produced in this late period which consist of almost entirely illustrations with little or no text. We are starting in the West which means the body. With death and mummification. Sorry the pic is a bit blurred but I probs with the image capture and getting it big enough. I'll go through what it shows and try to explain what it means in subsequent posts. Questions welcome (but please try to stay on topic if at all possible).

I know some of ya'lls like to follow the "science" I used to watch this channel, if you do follow science, then you are aware, that it changes. Shouldn't be any surprise, as all things change. Still, I found this guy easy to listen to. There are many many others out there reading the research papers and regurgitating it for you. You are sure to find one or more that Appeal to you.

feigning affection I lied about loving you fickle heart fickle tongue.

On the front end, not much - on the back end, quite a bit. If you are already enlightened and just need to realize it, it is much more possible in this lifetime. A good teacher can actually point out enlightened mind so that the student can learn to practice in it. Unless you know what enlightenment is, how could you actually codify it into a goal? Ultimately no person becomes enlightened.

Are we talking about Theravada Buddhism or Zen? To try to bridge or conflate the two is a mistake, they are fundamentally different approaches. After some research I discovered a source for your quote: https://shunryusuzuki2.com/Detail1?ID=368 You left a few things out I think are important to this quote. The full text is as follows: To break this down: Each part of your body should participate completely in zazen. - See that the body is a field of sensations all comprised of stillness. To think, “I am doing zazen” or “My body is doing zazen” is wrong understanding. It is a self-centered idea. - No "self" does Zazen. Nothing separate does zazen. If you think you are practicing zazen, you are involved in some selfish, egotistical idea.- Zazen is the ultimate reality of things. No ego or "self-ish" part of you can practice it. The entire universe is doing zazen in the same way that your body is doing zazen. - As above, so below - the universe is awakened and doing zazen when and where you are. Actualization is always here, and now. That is why zazen practice represents the whole universe. We should do zazen with this feeling in our practice. You should not say, “I practice zazen with my body.” It is not so. - No-body is DOING zazen, zazen is what is always happening in this moment when we are awake. Your body is practicing zazen in imperturbability while your mind is moving. Your legs are practicing zazen with pain. Water is practicing zazen with movement, yet the water is still while flowing because flowing is its stillness, or its nature. The bridge is doing zazen without moving. - The nature of reality is Zazen. Zazen happens with all possible conditions and movements perfectly because they are not separate from what Zazen IS. ...imperturbable zazen is practicing zazen. - ONLY Zazen practices zazen. No-self, thought, action, activity or separateness is present when Zazen is practiced. No. Just Zazen being Zazen. Timeless, placeless, "self-less". Here/Now. - If your interest is in proving your personal view of these practices, I can see how selective quoting might be advantageous. If your interest is in pulling back the veil, taking the entirety of a master's quotes might be more advantageous. _/\_

This is precisely a quote about "don't know" mind, the topic of this thread. "Lovely quotes" are pointers to practice. When one is "dangling somewhere" the number of possibilities for escape are only limited where the thinking mind is concerned. Allowing the mind to become still is often what creates the space that precipitates the "aha" moment that solves the conundrum. This is my experience. I understand that you may feel that it wouldn't work out for you. But... do YOU know the dangers? Why not share?

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to go ahead and ignore this. Do you ever find yourself somewhere you aren't? His point is, awakening always happens HERE and it happens NOW. The fundamental point is actualized (you are enlightened) when you wake up. Waking up happens all the time. When the mind is still, actualizing enlightenment happens... waking up happens! Dogen believed (correctly in my experience) that there IS no difference between the mind in stillness and enlightenment itself, only that the meditator may not realize this. The body? When the mind is "awake" and still, there is just sensation and awareness of it. There is no person sitting, no body, no specific place attention could find itself in experience. When the mind is deeply still: If this isn't a statement you can relate to you should check in with your teacher, and definitely double down on your meditation practice. If you are still in the standard 40 minute Soto sitting session, and have been meditating for a period of months or years, I would expect you should be sitting in this experience pretty frequently in the last 20 minutes or so of your practice. You don't have to find a place. Stillness is HERE. Take a deep breath where you are in this moment, and let it gently out through your mouth. Allow stillness to rise up. It's here. There is no need for a special time, place, cushion, location... anything. It happens naturally in the dentists office, or the grocery store, or when you ride a bike, drive, play drums, etc. once you are paying attention and noticing. With a few months of meditation practice, you can begin to become adept at awakening any time you realize you have been "asleep", lost in your thinking mind. The eventual track of practice in most Mahayana practices is that you start to bring awake awareness to as many of your moments as possible. If you don't have a teacher feel free to PM me. _/\_

Oh no... the baby and the bath water?!?! I must have stepped in it again. I assure you that what I am saying belongs here, and I am sorry if I have disturbed you. The topic of this thread is a Zen expression, "don't know mind", that is a conceptual description of the mind clear, still, and ready for anything, arrived at by allow the mind to come to a stop. It isn't a practice, concept, or religious belief (a baby in the bath water) it is precisely the lack of ANY effort or contrivance of the mind. It is mind "as it is", arrived at by allowing to come to a stop of its own accord. It is simply being enlightened mind in this moment. It is dropping process, technique and maps completely and finding enlightenment in this moment, if only temporarily. This is the essence of Zen. This is the concept of the "Gateless Gate", the title of a famous collection of koans, and subject of many spiritual quotes. The lesson of them is that true understanding or enlightenment is not a destination to be reached by passing through a physical or mental barrier, but an experience that transcends thought, "self", religion, practices, and fabrication. The title is a paradox: a gate that is no gate at all. A gate that you desperately wish to pass through, but can realize that you have always been inside of. It is a metaphor that appears again and again in non-dual traditions.