why does 'evil' or people who do bad always seem to win or be able to succeed
Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:01 PM
Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:59 AM
I have to disagree with you simply because I am a Taoist, a positivist, and an optimist.
Evil does not always win, good does not always lose.
Truth is, good and evil are just value judgements we place on things and events.
"Good and evil" is one of the dualities of the human brain. That is all. Beyond valuation, things and events just are.
Now, I do understand what you are saying and your justification for saying it. But bottom line, we each create, in our mind, all the good and evil in our life.
If you prefer good then you must stand up in support of it. If you wish to remove evil from your life you must stand up against it.
Better still would be to create a life for yourself where you are beyond good and evil.
My best wishes to you.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 04:11 AM
Edited by jenn992, 13 November 2010 - 04:24 AM.
Posted 13 November 2010 - 04:49 AM
Okay. We are getting closer to being able to discuss this in a rational and logical manner.
However, in order for me to discuss it properly I need to ask you for a temporary (permanent, if possible) consideration: Can you, in this discussion, remove from you mind all thoughts of gods of any form and all concepts of karma?
The reason I ask this is because I cannot discuss it if you invoke 'the will of god' (or lack thereof) or some concept of karma or predestined events.
There are natural processes in the universe, if you have read many of my posts I refer to these processes Tzujan. Science calls them the 'laws of physics'.
Within these processes of Tzujan is the process of 'cause and effect'. Given enough factual data (we will never have all of this) we can explain anything that happens in the Manifest universe.
BTW I do understand what you are saying and the questions you are asking but I cannot speak to them if you invoke any supernatural concepts into the discussion. I actually do agree with you regarding the main point you are driving at although I suggest that what you are pointing at is not an absolute and I suggest that we do have the power to effect those things that happen directly in our life.
Posted 13 November 2010 - 05:26 AM
its obvious from looking at the world that there is no justice dispensed from heaven and that nasty people do nasty things and yet seem to get away with it - can be very successful, rich and seemingly have everything they want, while others who are altruistic by nature, kind and so on get all sorts of shit heaped upon them. That is just how it is.
But is also true, mechanistically that if you lie, steal and harm others then there are results from these actions - results which are external (bad done in the world) and internal (mental and emotional disharmony). You have to make a personal choice about what sort of person you want to be. If you are attached to success/failure, power or money, or just getting one over someone else ... then it is very hard to make this choice because you are pre-determining who you will be.
If you choose freedom, if you value yourself beyond the pettiness of jealousy and revenge then you can start to work to gain the personal power to change yourself. But to do this you have to accept that the world may still dish out the same bad things. Maybe things will improve but maybe not. This is something to do with self-respect and courage.
It is natural to worry about worldly injustice - but really it is best to focus on who you are and accepting responsibility for yourself ... see the world as a testing ground.
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"My wish is to prevent my students from approaching Buddhism as a religion, per se, in which a supreme being of either human or ethereal nature is beseeched for help in worldly matters. In truth, I have given my best efforts in the objective of freeing myself from the trappings of religious administrations. Frequently, religion produces fanaticism, which often results in splitting the community and thus damages the integrity of a society ..." - The 14th Gyalwa Shamarpa
Posted 13 November 2010 - 09:06 AM
ive only witnessed, ignorant, clueless stupid people not suffer
You have not witnessed much!
Those that live in ignorance suffer so much more than those that are enlightened. They just don't know it. Ignorant even of their own ignorance. Do not begrudge the numb, who are incapable of feeling pain: for they are themselves incapable of feeling true happiness.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 09:17 AM
there is so much bad in this world and people ask--why does God allow this? I can understand why it 'happens'...or how it happens...but wha ti dont understand is that the universal karmic forces...do not seem to favor the punishment towards those who do this wrong...
There is no God, except for the Divine Force that exists within all of us. No spiritual father that makes things right for those who are good (If he existed, you wouldn't be having this dilemma, would you?)
It is each person's responsibility to create their own life however they choose. There is much suffering (and there always will be) in the world. Good people suffering at the expense of the bad. You can stress about these injustices, and fight your whole life to rid the world of it, but in the end, you will only have taken one drop of water out of the ocean of suffering in the world.
You, now, in this moment, to answer the questions you ask, must only realize one thing:
You control your own life. Do not allow yourself to suffer at the expense of bad people.
You cannot control the suffering of the good at the expense of the bad elsewhere. Nor should you. It is their life to liberate. If you despair about the injustices, then you are just one more victim of the evil. You are one more person suffering at the hands of evil. It is your choice. Be happy for all of the good that exists in your life!
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 01:31 PM
I share this rant with you jenn. I've seen it over and over again. People will steal, cheat, and lie, treat others poorly, and yet will go on and prosper and even receive praise. I believe, however, at some point, it will catch up with them. Maybe on the soul level. It's the blind leading the blind, or as jetsun said, unconsciousness. Unfortunately, we just have to deal with it. In the meanwhile, it can be really frustrating. I had to leave my job last year because of this kind of thing. I didn't want to be around it any longer.
― Jack Handey
Posted 13 November 2010 - 01:42 PM
Remember that what happens to you is ordained by nature, but what you do is by your own. All things that happen happen because it is in natures capacity. I have been trying to look at things that happen to me like its something that nature prescribed to me. If it was not meant to push me farther down my path of life then it would not happen in the first place. To those selfish evil people, pay them no mind let them play their part, they are here to make us prove we are what we know we are. And when its their time to learn the truths about the world treat them with humility and compassion.
Posted 13 November 2010 - 02:16 PM
Posted 13 November 2010 - 02:20 PM
If you do bad things and you dont get punished watch out it could mean a few (not good) things.....
Karma can never act against it self ( karma is not revenge or for personal justice.)
Karma is not so simple every entity has its own karma and its own karma cycle ex. your family, your state, the planet, your country, you and so on. And these cycles inter cross and affect each other.
Karma could be explained like this- The force that balances energies so things can grow.
The study of the actual nature of karma is a very deep subject.
Edited by electric gravity, 13 November 2010 - 02:24 PM.
Posted 13 November 2010 - 02:21 PM
Posted 13 November 2010 - 02:39 PM
There's more to that you continue to accumulate karma after your death because your actions in life is still affecting the living world for ex. like Hitler.
but a change of heart in you could change the energy behind your actions that have already been done this might manifest like ex. (hitler) some people might just all of a sudden lose the inspiration to follow in his footsteps.
There's the action and the energy behind the action. Without forgivness, mercy, or some type of yin force (like gravity) the energy behind the action might live on forever.
Posted 13 November 2010 - 03:16 PM
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