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6 hours ago, Wu Ming Jen said:

Love it! Do not give up the near for the far.

 

I had the karma to go to Wudang and before I had the means to go to the mountain and study I met a Taoist priest from Wudang who came to my home town and taught me some stuff... what kind of odds are that? This inspired me to fulfill my own personal destiny.

 

I am not waving the flag of my own linage everyone's path can be right for them at the right time in their life.

 

It's actually quite spooky how that works with these guys. But one will definitely find their way if they allow it. I like to call it "heaven carrying us to places".

 

I honestly think the OP will make it. He might even be on his way now, against all odds lol

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6 hours ago, kyoji said:

As someone who has had experience in this "international language" , i am surprised i put so much emphasis on wanting to be decently proficient in Mandarin before studying in China!

 

One of my favourite women in the world is my former Boss Li's mother... we just call her mama. My first job in highschool was prepping at an upscale chinese place in St.Catharines, ON, and i grew very fond of the family that owned and ran it.

 

She was in her mid 70's, and still more vital than some 20 somethings that i know.... she'd work 12 hour days 5 days a week, making noodles and chinese buns from scratch... The absolute best I've ever had! I was the token westerner, and everybody else that worked there was from China or Hong Kong :-) Some could speak English very well, and others just a bit. But Li's mum, or Mama as we all called her, didn't speak a lick of it, nor I any Mandarin. Yet I "spoke" with mama more than I did anybody else there. We would laugh with each other all the time and sit down and eat at break together. She always knew when I was hungry before I did and would bring me a bite :P We used to point at objects and ingredients in the kitchen, and i'd say the english word and have her try to repeat it, and then she'd say it in Mandarin for me to repeat, and we would just laugh at each others inability to get it quite right. We had a special bond I did not have with those that I hadn't a problem speaking with. But with Mama, I really didn't need to say a thing, and in some strange way, that said it all.

 

All of our coworkers, and friends of the family that would frequent the restaurant, would see the connection we had, and it tripped most out. They just couldn't understand how we could possibly connect.

 

Maybe the language barrier, or rather the impediment to communication, is language itself.

 

“The fish trap exists because of the fish. Once you've gotten the fish you can forget the trap. The rabbit snare exists because of the rabbit. Once you've gotten the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words exist because of meaning. Once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?”

 

-Zhuangzi

 

You have won the Dao Bums.

 

Time to pack up and go home here guys. Nothing else to see.

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17 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

My intent is not to study with “better” teachers, but to have fun learning something that is also established as what works and is good. The Five Immortals temple looks like it does, but until I touch hands, I won’t know. We’ll see. I’m happy with what I have; everything else is a treat afterwards.

Being happy with what we have is some high level stuff. IMO

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Just now, Wu Ming Jen said:

Being happy with what we have is some high level stuff. IMO

 

That said, I'm happy to meet other people like you eventually and touch hands for those with martial bent and do some exchange, representing at the very least my Xin Yi and Taijiquan lineages and eventually all four of my martial lineages (and eventually Akashic and Vedic lineages). 

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Just now, Earl Grey said:

 

That said, I'm happy to meet other people like you eventually and touch hands for those with martial bent and do some exchange, representing at the very least my Xin Yi and Taijiquan lineages and eventually all four of my martial lineages (and eventually Akashic and Vedic lineages). 

So great.

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20 hours ago, kyoji said:

As someone who has had experience in this "international language" , i am surprised i put so much emphasis on wanting to be decently proficient in Mandarin before studying in China!

 

One of my favourite women in the world is my former Boss Li's mother... we just call her mama. My first job in highschool was prepping at an upscale chinese place in St.Catharines, ON, and i grew very fond of the family that owned and ran it.

 

She was in her mid 70's, and still more vital than some 20 somethings that i know.... she'd work 12 hour days 5 days a week, making noodles and chinese buns from scratch... The absolute best I've ever had! I was the token westerner, and everybody else that worked there was from China or Hong Kong :-) Some could speak English very well, and others just a bit. But Li's mum, or Mama as we all called her, didn't speak a lick of it, nor I any Mandarin. Yet I "spoke" with mama more than I did anybody else there. We would laugh with each other all the time and sit down and eat at break together. She always knew when I was hungry before I did and would bring me a bite :P We used to point at objects and ingredients in the kitchen, and i'd say the english word and have her try to repeat it, and then she'd say it in Mandarin for me to repeat, and we would just laugh at each others inability to get it quite right. We had a special bond I did not have with those that I hadn't a problem speaking with. But with Mama, I really didn't need to say a thing, and in some strange way, that said it all.

 

All of our coworkers, and friends of the family that would frequent the restaurant, would see the connection we had, and it tripped most out. They just couldn't understand how we could possibly connect.

 

Maybe the language barrier, or rather the impediment to communication, is language itself.

 

“The fish trap exists because of the fish. Once you've gotten the fish you can forget the trap. The rabbit snare exists because of the rabbit. Once you've gotten the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words exist because of meaning. Once you've gotten the meaning, you can forget the words. Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?”

 

-Zhuangzi

wow mate.

 

Thank you for that window into your world.

Such gems! 

 

That just cascaded through my being like a bell ringing.

 

thank you for sharing...

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On 28.03.2020 at 12:46 AM, Wu Ming Jen said:

Being happy with what we have is some high level stuff. IMO

 

Whatever I have is nothing, there is a long road ahead to a much higher mountain peak.

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On 2020. 03. 27. at 4:45 AM, GSmaster said:

 

But if you want to continue development, it is always meaningful to find teacher of a higher level.

 

Its just that they are rare, incredibly rare. None of them is teaching publicly, most of them are unknown to public, and you cannot find these people just "going to some area, or region" you need a sort of recommendation to begin with.

 

So, basically none of the teachers/schools that you can find publicly/online are "the real thing"? If this is true, then 99% of us are doomed from the start, and there's no point in even trying to find a source of authentic teaching.

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Just now, Ekstasis said:

So, basically none of the teachers/schools that you can find publicly/online are "the real thing"? If this is true, then 99% of us are domed from the start, and there's no point in even trying to find a source of authentic teaching.

 

It is a simple hierarchy. You want to learn the real knowledge which is University R/D Departments and Practical Labs. But to get there you first have to go to school, and learn incomplete, wrong, simplified stuff.

Then you go to university, and learn some basic stuff.

Then you go for PhD and e.t.c

Most people weed themselves out (drop out) or keep doing same kindergarten stuff over and over till dead.

If you have strong desire / intent to do it, you will get through whatever the odds.

 

You can imagine there are schools and teachers who wont take someone who does not have an abilitiy to see energy or does not have a strong foundation for example. They just dont want to waste their time on someone who have yet to step into the realm of cultivation.

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11 minutes ago, Ekstasis said:

"the real thing"? If this is true, then 99% of us are domed from the start, and there's no point in even trying to find a source of authentic teaching.

 

And you know whats funny?

 

Is that in kindergarten they will tell you that they all can meditate, and meditation is something that they know how to do.

 

When you get to PhD levels, they will tell you that meditation is high level attainment and barely anyone can do it.

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On 3/30/2020 at 8:45 AM, GSmaster said:

 

Whatever I have is nothing, there is a long road ahead to a much higher mountain peak.

 

 

That's the first (and possibly only) credible claim it's made.

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55 minutes ago, gatito said:

That's the first (and possibly only) credible claim it's made.


You would kill for, 1 / millionth of my "nothing"  :lol:

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19 minutes ago, GSmaster said:


You would kill for, 1 / millionth of my "nothing"  :lol:

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Ekstasis said:

 

So, basically none of the teachers/schools that you can find publicly/online are "the real thing"? If this is true, then 99% of us are doomed from the start, and there's no point in even trying to find a source of authentic teaching.

Well some might point you to some other teachers that are the "real thing" or that they themselves can point you to others and so on. If you don't start walking you won't arrive anywhere and there is no chance of arriving where you want. Going from 0 chances to 1 in a billion is still an infinitely large step. :)

 

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2 minutes ago, Zork said:

Well some might point you to some other teachers that are the "real thing" or that they themselves can point you to others and so on. If you don't start walking you won't arrive anywhere and there is no chance of arriving where you want. Going from 0 chances to 1 in a billion is still an infinitely large step. :)

 

 

Take, assess, test and use that which works for you.

Refine it.

Discard the dross.

 

Remember: there's nothing new under the Sun.

 

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2 hours ago, Ekstasis said:

 

So, basically none of the teachers/schools that you can find publicly/online are "the real thing"? If this is true, then 99% of us are doomed from the start, and there's no point in even trying to find a source of authentic teaching.

 

Good schools are online, as are bad ones. You can definitely find the real deal there, but ask around first before committing.

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6 minutes ago, Rara said:

 

Good schools are online, as are bad ones. You can definitely find the real deal there, but ask around first before committing.

 

 

Bottom line:

  • Most of the shit schools are online.
  • Many of the outstanding schools aren't online - they're solely word-of-mouth, as they've been for millennia (before the internet popped-up a few years ago).
  • The Truth's always available to everyone directly.
  • You are your own final arbiter.

 

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19 hours ago, gatito said:
  • Most of the shit schools are online.

 

You clearly dont know what you are talking about and your argumentation is that of a 6 year old.


To learn any art you need to spend many years in dedicated training under close watch / guidance of a master.

 

Online schools are far superior as you will be able to continuously study and get feedback on your practice, on daily / weekly basis.

 

Not once a year, or in a group seminar where teacher cares to get rid of you as quickly as possible, and dont have time for personal lessons, or there are some people here who claimed they studied from some master after visiting just 1!! offline seminar.

 

Anything that happens once a year and is claimed to be "Internal Arts" is a scam, whenever it is Wang Liping or how JC trained his western "students".

 

19 hours ago, gatito said:

hey're solely word-of-mouth, as they've been for millennia (before the internet popped-up a few years ago).

 

Right because in internet people speak not from mouth, but from ass, you must be talking from personal example of self. 

 

19 hours ago, gatito said:

The Truth's always available to everyone directly.

 

Thats bullshit. Real truth is hard to earn, usually a tiny bit comes by blood, sweat, money, effort, and time.

The majority of people just select random bullshit to believe it and claim it is an ultimate truth.

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On 27/03/2020 at 9:55 AM, Wu Ming Jen said:

So someone asked what is the international language? (not yet because I keep posting with no replies) The answer is a combination of intention, body language and mental state of being. Everyone in the world can understand us with out any words.

 

The down side is we can not deceive and miss lead others with words, words greatest gifts are to say the half truths of our experience with false energetic quality. This makes for great actors and actress. What movies are made of...so great!

 

Thanks for the replies aka spam. Sorry i've been busy with RL stuff, didn't realize no email notification from thread replies.

 

Thanks again! With the virus and whatnots any plans delayed indefinitely but no issue practice can happen any place and time. Take care and be well, friend.

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On 27/03/2020 at 4:48 PM, Rara said:

 

It's actually quite spooky how that works with these guys. But one will definitely find their way if they allow it. I like to call it "heaven carrying us to places".

 

I honestly think the OP will make it. He might even be on his way now, against all odds lol

 

Haha, no just been buried under work stuff. And not knowing how the site notifications work. Practice happens as it happens... interesting times we are in. Take care and wishing you well! 

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On 4/3/2020 at 6:39 AM, GSmaster said:

 

You clearly dont know what you are talking about and your argumentation is that of a 6 year old.


To learn any art you need to spend many years in dedicated training under close watch / guidance of a master.

 

Online schools are far superior as you will be able to continuously study and get feedback on your practice, on daily / weekly basis.

 

Not once a year, or in a group seminar where teacher cares to get rid of you as quickly as possible, and dont have time for personal lessons, or there are some people here who claimed they studied from some master after visiting just 1!! offline seminar.

 

Anything that happens once a year and is claimed to be "Internal Arts" is a scam, whenever it is Wang Liping or how JC trained his western "students".

 

 

Right because in internet people speak not from mouth, but from ass, you must be talking from personal example of self. 

 

 

Thats bullshit. Real truth is hard to earn, usually a tiny bit comes by blood, sweat, money, effort, and time.

The majority of people just select random bullshit to believe it and claim it is an ultimate truth.

 

So you say online schools are far superior to traditional schools with a long lineage.  You are a laugh a minute.

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On 02/04/2020 at 11:36 PM, GSmaster said:

 

And you know whats funny?

 

Is that in kindergarten they will tell you that they all can meditate, and meditation is something that they know how to do.

 

When you get to PhD levels, they will tell you that meditation is high level attainment and barely anyone can do it.

 

This is an interesting take.

As mentioned in OP, my path meanders from the physical (jing) to the mental (meditation, shen). Qi is something in between, which both sides touch on at some point. Very different approaches, and I bet those folks teaching meditation for beginners would like to have a word with you! 😄

 

I'd recommend John Yates' The Mind Illuminated to anyone interested in meditation but not quite sure how to go about it. Work up to stage 8-9 and tell me if it doesn't improve your practice at all.

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9 minutes ago, Sramana said:

So you say online schools are far superior to traditional schools with a long lineage.  You are a laugh a minute.

 

Its much better to have 100x lessons with master and feedback on practice, than 1 lesson in a year in a large group.

 

If you study online and being able to develop that means the teacher can project his Qi from distance, Thats wonderful.

 

I only have a decade of practice under the belt, but I have done much more practice that most people in their lifetime.

 

The reason is, the practice was boosted by tech / was online.

 

Some take 5 years to learn qi sensitivity, took me 1 day. In 1 month, I could walk with eyes blindfolded, in a dense forest and never hit a tree. In 2 months I have passed ESP tactile extrasensory tests, and in 1 year I could see energy as you see physical table, in 2 years I had eidetic memory, super fast read ability.

 

Don't see your arguments or your brain.

 

5 minutes ago, statusquovadis said:

I bet those folks teaching meditation for beginners would like to have a word with you! 😄

 

They can teach meditation, they can practice meditation for 25 years, but they don't know what meditation is.

 

It is a level that is hard to attain. It is no different from siddhi or a supernatural power.

 

Learning meditation is just as easy as becoming a Buddha.

 

The problem is that people believe they learned meditation, they teach it, they will never progress in the skill of meditation.

Personally I have reached quite a high / rare level, but I can see in front of me some much higher leves to be attained.

 

 

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1 minute ago, GSmaster said:

 

 

They can teach meditation, they can practice meditation for 25 years, but they don't know what meditation is.

 

It is a level that is hard to attain. It is no different from siddhi or a supernatural power.

 

Learning meditation is just as easy as becoming a Buddha.

 

The problem is that people believe they learned meditation, they teach it, they will never progress in the skill of meditation.

Personally I have reached quite a high / rare level, but I can see in front of me some much higher leves to be attained.

 

 

 

Agree that not *all* teachers of meditation know what they are doing, years of experience notwithstanding. But if you've been following current trends with what is called pragmatic dharma, you'll understand what i'm talking about.

 

Yes, there are higher levels still. It's an asymptote.

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My own work with teachers online is that they already come from established lineages, so studying online doesn't mean that one has no lineage, and studying in person with someone doesn't mean that they necessarily are better, with or without lineage, because their ability to teach is one big issue, plus if they actually did learn properly. 

 

There are some people I've spoken with who talk a big game online, but when meeting them, they are quite weak when it comes to martial application, and when it comes to health, the current crisis only reinforced how good my teachers and their skills are in terms of health and longevity. 

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