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The world is an illusion....wtf does that mean ?

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What is true about mystic states is that in those states our illusion of being isolated autonomous entities temporarily falls away. This falling away is true because we are not autonomous entities, but only small relatively insignificant parts of the universe that are biologically programmed (as a result of human evolution) to worry about their own survival. The step from the fact of this worry about ones own survival to the idea that there objectively is something special and valuable about the part of the universe that constitudes one's own person is a small one, but this step is logically and factually incorrect. Thus mystic experiences might lead to a more realistic humble attitude and a deminishing of egocentric thoughts and behaviour. But it also might leads to spiritual arrogance when one imagines oneself to be in possession of superior knowledge that is beyond the reach of mere mortals. The experience of unity with the universe might even lead to the idea that one is God and as such is completely justified to behave (and misbehave) as a God.

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7 hours ago, wandelaar said:

 

The experience of unity with the universe might even lead to the idea that one is God and as such is completely justified to behave (and misbehave) as a God.

So you balance the Jedi with the Sith. 

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9 hours ago, Mudfoot said:

So you balance the Jedi with the Sith. 

The Sith seem to have more fun.. not celibate either. 

 

Not perfect, they tend to blow up planets,  on the other hand after 1,000 years, the Jedi hadn't made much headway against commonsense evils like slavery.  In truth when challenged Jedi tend to head for the nearest swamp, for decades. 

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There is a sense in which one could say that the world is an illusion, but that is not the ordinary sense of "illusion" as being an error in perception. Ignoring a wall because in a certain special philosophical sense walls don't exist will only give one a headache or worse.

 

It's completely useless to discuss this subject without first studying some deep Buddhist philosophy (such as the theory of the two truths) or alternatively some decent philosophy of science.

 

Of course this advise will be ignored as it is to much trouble to follow, and thus this topic can go on forever without reaching any sort of conclusion. Better move on...

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4 hours ago, wandelaar said:

 

Better move on...

Or start with the silly jokes 😋

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2 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

Or start with the silly jokes 😋

 

Unhappily I have no sense of humor... :(

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19 minutes ago, wandelaar said:

 

Unhappily I have no sense of humor... :(

And I don't grasp philosophy. 😴

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On 3/11/2019 at 1:19 AM, Mudfoot said:

So you balance the Jedi with the Sith. 

 

Have you read the Darth Bane trilogy?

 

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2 hours ago, ilumairen said:

 

Have you read the Darth Bane trilogy?

 

No, but the latest star wars film fits nice with the first, when they wonder if Anakin is the one that will balance the Force. And in the latest, she seems to be the first to embrace/accept her dark side while still strive for the light. 

It will be interesting to see if they develop that line of thought. 

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‘If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.’

William Blake

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Buddha was referring to the external world as illusion to inspire those interested to  seek the reality within them.

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16 hours ago, Goldleaf said:

Buddha was referring to the external world as illusion to inspire those interested to  seek the reality within them.

The reality that exists within me is that I cannot even remember what I ate yesterday. How long ago was Buddha?

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20 hours ago, Everything said:

 How long ago was Buddha?

Always in the now. 

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10 hours ago, Mudfoot said:

Always in the now. 

 

 

Just passing through.

 

I have to tell you, I've been hanging around this place for maybe 12 years, and I just feel like a retort this exquisite must be held up on display on its own merit as the clever thing of beauty that it was.

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Posted (edited)

This world is real. This is not relevant for those, who are stuck inside the illusions.

Edited by GSmaster

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Why does this thing where happen here? Why is there this constant devaluation of the things that Buddha said?

Can you define reality? If you try to you will understand that the perception of what is real is highly subjective.

How do you know i am real and not a figment of your imagination?

Have you seen me? Do you know my name or where i live? Your eye neurons transfer information to your brain which interprets it as a being called Zork somewhere on this earth. Am i really real?

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21 minutes ago, Zork said:

 

Am i really real?

No. 

Or at least, you are not permanent and independent. 

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4 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

No. 

Or at least, you are not permanent and independent. 

Exactly. Because noone is!

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Our senses are pretty limited.  We hear/see/smell/etc within a particular range.  Just imagine all the other ranges that could just as easily be experienced.  A bat  sees in neon green, a totally different experience than ours.

 

If the atoms all decided to stop spinning, there would be absolutely nothing there.  The atom is 99.9999999% space - and I'll bet it's actually 100% space once we figure out how to view the entire atomic makeup.  I think this whole thing is nothing but Thought.  Just one big strange Idea.

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