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About wandelaar

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  1. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    That's how it goes around here. Somebody starts a topic about something that interests him, and then Bums who are not interested in this kind of topic flood it with irrelevant postings to kill off any possibility of having a decent discussion. There are hundreds of topics on this website about esoteric and magical forms of Taoism where Bums who like those kind of things can have any discussion they like. And although most philosophical Taoists don't think esoteric and magical Taoism very useful and may even say so, they will not spoil esoteric and magical topics with a barrage of criticisms that are considered irrelevant by the believers. But the same decency isn't shown the other way around. So who are really the narrow minded guys around here? (This was a rather short stay, but I have seen enough bigotry already.)
  2. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    An interesting book on the practical application of (philosophical) Taoism is this annotated translation of the Tao Te Ching: https://www.amazon.com/Tao-Ching-Annotated-Explained-Illuminations/dp/1594732043/ref=sr_1_1 Also recommended is this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585425834/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1
  3. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    I have dug up an old topic that might be relevant to this topic also: Don't know where the horse comes from?!
  4. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    @ Ilumairen Yes! Such is the natural way as proposed in the Chuang tse. I think that philosophical Taoism is close to Zen in its appreciation of the wonders of everyday life. And by wonders I don' t mean flying in the air, walking on water, or seeing through walls, but more simple things like unlocking a door or preparing an avocado. I sometimes realize this blissful state of appreciation, and than I'm completely satisfied and happy. But this state soon slips away as the hassles of life drag away my attention.
  5. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    Well - that's how it goes... This topic will be bend into esoteric discussions about qi, about weird states of consciousness, and about ancient lineages and practices without a scientific backing. That's what most Bums are here for. They want to escape the drudgery of daily life. They are after the miraculous. They want to acquire special superpowers, and some even want to become immortal. Chuang tse had to laugh about that kind of stuff, but to most Bums here it's what Taoism is all about.
  6. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    A very simple example: when I unlock the front door when I get home I automatically stick the key in the lock in one supple movement hardly noticing what I'm doing or looking at the key or lock, but when I consciously try the replicate the feat it becomes a clumsy and inefficient maneuver. Mastership (in my opinion) only arrives when the techniques have been deeply internalized so that the unconscious can take over.
  7. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    @ ilumairen Well - I'm still active on the internet elsewhere... But I try to stay away from heated debated and other silly business. I agree with Cloudwalking Owl in that I see the current value of Taoism as consisting of it's practical philosophy of life and of some of the forms of art it inspired. I don't think it very useful to copy ancient ways of thought and practice just because they are ancient. They have to be applicable in the world we live in. It's in living my life that Taoism has to bear fruit, or it won't. (All in my opinion of course. )
  8. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    I' m OK, thank you. I have been busy elsewhere, and with other things.
  9. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    @Cloudwalking Owl Well I'm not at that level yet. I think I understand the basics now, but I still have a long way to go to apply them in the masterful manner you describe.
  10. Daoism as a Practical Philosophy

    Yes - you are right, there is hardly any discussion on Taoism as a practical philosophy of life. When I joined this forum I started a few topics on Taoism as applied to daily life. But hardly anybody seems to care about it. We will see if things have changed for the better. If so - then I will join in the discussion. If not - then I will simply continue following my own way and leave others to theirs.
  11. Yes. When zak is willing to do a new experiment for publication here on The Dao Bums then I will be happy to participate (and suggest some improvements in the experimental setup ).
  12. What We Think We Know

    @C T So I'm acting as a robot, while you are partly free? Following the advice of manitou I will quit this non-discussion. Good luck.
  13. What We Think We Know

    It seldom happens that people are convinced by arguments. When I was young I loved participating in debates. But not any more. However - the compulsion to correct what I think is wrong dies hard.
  14. What We Think We Know

    On the basis of your latest posts I have to conclude that we largely agree. So no problem there. For your information, I have been greatly influenced by Karl Popper in finding a way out of the traditionalism-criticism dilemma. My ironic post about "impressive" was directed to CT who is hiding behind overly abstract language as a way to escape criticism. It's exactly by using simple (or at least well defined) words with a relatively "rigid meaning" that one can expose oneself to possibly meaningful and useful criticism. That's the way I follow. Not hiding or obfuscating, but sticking out one's position as clear as possible. And by the way, I don't consider my own personality as in any way great or superior. I'm only trying to make good use of its peculiarities.
  15. What We Think We Know

    Nice - sounds impressive.