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[MegaMind]

6 minutes ago, Zork said:

You are not taking the case in court. If there is no scientific evidence then there is no argument from your part. You have no evidence.

You keep using the term but you really don't know what it means.

Objective evidence is " OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself. "

You can't do that.

"SUBJECTIVE EVIDENCE is evidence that you cannot evaluate -- you have to simply accept what the person says or reject it. "

That is exaclty what is happening here. You have been told that John Chang was brought to room (which you haven't visited), he was searched (which you can't verify because you were not present) and he was checked by them (but you have no way of knowing if he was or in what extent). It might as well be a hoax.

 

 

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective

 

2a : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind

 

2b : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/evidence_1?q=evidence

 

the facts, signs or objects that make you believe that something is true

[MegaMind]

10 minutes ago, Zork said:

You are not taking the case in court. If there is no scientific evidence then there is no argument from your part. You have no evidence.

You keep using the term but you really don't know what it means.

Objective evidence is " OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself. "

You can't do that.

"SUBJECTIVE EVIDENCE is evidence that you cannot evaluate -- you have to simply accept what the person says or reject it. "

That is exaclty what is happening here. You have been told that John Chang was brought to room (which you haven't visited), he was searched (which you can't verify because you were not present) and he was checked by them (but you have no way of knowing if he was or in what extent). It might as well be a hoax.

 

 

"You have been told"

 

 

 

[Zork]

Just now, MegaMind said:

 

"You have been told"

 

 

 

That is the definition of subjective. Live with it.

[MegaMind]

Just now, Zork said:

That is the definition of subjective. Live with it.

 

By definition video is objective.

 

 

[Zork]

1 minute ago, MegaMind said:

 

By definition video is objective.

 

 

Objective evidence is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself.

You can't do that.You were not present. Period. I will not answer again on this matter.

You have no proof, no evidence, just a recorded phenomenon.

[MegaMind]

1 minute ago, Zork said:

Objective evidence is evidence you can examine and evaluate for yourself.

You can't do that.You were not present. Period. I will not answer again on this matter.

You have no proof, no evidence, just a recorded phenomenon.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective

 

2a : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind

 

2b : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/evidence_1?q=evidence

 

the facts, signs or objects that make you believe that something is true

[Zork]

2 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective

 

2a : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind

 

2b : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/evidence_1?q=evidence

 

the facts, signs or objects that make you believe that something is true

You are using a wrong definition. Who cares what objective means? We are talking about objective evidence. Find the corresponding lemma on this expression that you have used repeatedly.

[Zork]

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/objective-evidence.html

Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research.

 

There is nothing of the above available. Thus no objective evidence.

Also note that scientists never use the term "objective evidence". Evidence in science either is or isn't. There no such thing as objective evidence.

There is scientific evidence which you already claimed that you lack.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Zork

[MegaMind]

17 minutes ago, Zork said:

You are using a wrong definition. Who cares what objective means? We are talking about objective evidence. Find the corresponding lemma on this expression that you have used repeatedly.

 

Words mean things.

 

Tell the dictionary you disagree with their definition, not me.

[MegaMind]

44 minutes ago, Zork said:

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/objective-evidence.html

Information based on facts that can be proved through analysis, measurement, observation, and other such means of research.

 

There is nothing of the above available. Thus no objective evidence.

Also note that scientists never use the term "objective evidence". Evidence in science either is or isn't. There no such thing as objective evidence.

There is scientific evidence which you already claimed that you lack.

 

 

"There no such thing as objective evidence."

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.nyclu.org/en/publications/testimony-nypds-body-worn-camera-program-new-york-city-council-committee-public-safety

 

we have offered cautious support for the use of police body-worn cameras as a means of producing objective video evidence of officers’ actions during police encounters.

 

https://info.verkada.com/government/

 

Assist in Incident Resolution: Rather than depend solely on witness testimonies, police equipped with public video surveillance footage are able to base investigations on objective video evidence of incidents.

 

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/10/09/live-updates-laquan-mcdonald-inspector-general-reports-jason-van-dyke-coverup/

 

As a result of the failure to properly operate dashcams, the officers forced investigators to rely on “subjective, unrecorded” oral accounts of the shooting, rather than objective video evidence.

 

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/61ff/dd6dc7344b095f7006e9c8b689f83e7464c0.pdf

 

objective video evidence, as opposed to subjective evidence such as
eyewitness testimony, is desirable to establish what actually happened

 

https://loevy.com/blog/breaking-journalist-attorney-respond-to-mayor-emanuels-comments-on-release-of-police-shooting-video/

 

when it comes to releasing the objective video evidence that could substantiate a witness’s reported description of the shooting as ‘an execution,’ the City applies a double standard.”

 

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/21/538648337/minneapolis-police-chief-resigns-after-fatal-officer-involved-shooting

 

They were wearing body cameras but were not recording, so we don't have that objective video evidence that a lot of people would like.

 

https://apnews.com/285801e1387c42d1b857d6bdf5fbb968

 

Supporters say that recording encounters between citizens and officers reduces police violence and protects officers by providing objective video evidence.

[ilumairen]

 

https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/martinheavner/what-is-objective-evidence-eduquest-fda-compliance-advisory

 

[thelerner]

7 hours ago, MegaMind said:

 

In the video John is stripped to his shirt and underwear, checked with a metal detector, and taken to a random location chosen by the team of scientists and medical doctors where he gives a demo.

 

Yes, I realize that. 

 

What do you, individual, writing as MegaMind think the video proves? 

 

ie 'What is it evidence of?

For example what level/how many years to lift.. um.. 6 ounces or light things on fire?

Do you know?  Is there anyone you can ask? '

 

Are you going to come back and tell me it was 'shot in color', to avoid answering the questions? 

[MegaMind]

9 minutes ago, thelerner said:

Yes, I realize that. 

 

What do you, individual, writing as MegaMind think the video proves? 

 

ie 'What is it evidence of?

For example what level/how many years to lift.. um.. 6 ounces or light things on fire?

Do you know?  Is there anyone you can ask? '

 

Are you going to come back and tell me it was 'shot in color', to avoid answering the questions? 

 

 

John was able to generate a current strong enough to register on their multi-meter, and to power an LED.

 

If this was due to trickery, perhaps he hid a non-metallic device they missed inside his body and this was a hoax.

[thelerner]

wasn't thinking in terms of trickery.  I was thinking of terms of what it means to you.  John could do it, so maybe one day you could do it?  Is that why its the video is important to you?  To be like John Chang? 

 

Like, how much celibacy would you be willing to do, to be able to light up a small led bulb? 

[Apech]

1 minute ago, thelerner said:

wasn't thinking in terms of trickery.  I was thinking of terms of what it means to you.  John could do it, so maybe one day you could do it?  Is that why its the video is important to you?  To be like John Chang? 

 

Like, how much celibacy would you be willing to do, to be able to light up a small led bulb? 

 

How many mo pai adepts does it take to change a light bulb?

[MegaMind]

8 minutes ago, thelerner said:

wasn't thinking in terms of trickery.  I was thinking of terms of what it means to you.  John could do it, so maybe one day you could do it?  Is that why its the video is important to you?  To be like John Chang? 

 

Like, how much celibacy would you be willing to do, to be able to light up a small led bulb? 

 

The point of the system isn't to develop abilities, those are merely mile-markers along the path.

 

Our interest in the system is that we want to invest our effort in something real, and not placebo.

[MegaMind]

Just now, GSmaster said:

You can buy this LED for 1$ on any online shop and anyone, yes, even non trained human will be able to LIGHT it up.

 

 

Certainly using devices anyone can do so.

[MegaMind]

Just now, GSmaster said:

Whats the point then? TO die early from cancer?

Where is the immortality or whatever you are seeking?

 

Our interest in the practice is merely to practice something more than placebo, that we can see for ourselves the reality of.

[thelerner]

4 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

The point of the system isn't to develop abilities, those are merely mile-markers along the path.

 

Our interest in the system is that we want to invest our effort in something real, and not placebo.

cool, so what miles markers along the way are there?  Any that you've experienced?

ie What real things, not placebos, do you get out of it?

 

<calculates bot answer>  we're not allowed to tell you.

[MegaMind]

1 minute ago, thelerner said:

cool, so what miles markers along the way are there?  Any that you've experienced?

ie What real things, not placebos, do you get out of it?

 

<calculates bot answer>  we're not allowed to tell you.

 

Every student that seriously put effort into this training has realized the same results and experiences.

 

It is not something we discuss here in public, for obvious reasons.

 

In this thread I have been called a balding, homosexual pot-head that charges people for this information and lots more, of course none of this is true but it keeps being repeated.

 

Anything we say in here in public is used as ammunition to try and discredit us.

[MegaMind]

3 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

You are clinically stupid, you have been told many times that those led bulbs light from fingers, they dont require any devices.

 

There was no point to search for those devices, as lightning that led bulb in itself is a scamgong demonstration.

 

You have not given any response to chang showing how to break bottle (scamgong demonstration).

 

https://www.scientificsonline.com/product/human-powered-light-bulb

 

LOOK AT THIS THIS IS EXACTLY THE BULB SHOWING IN THE VIDEO

 

IT LIGHTS UP FROM A TINY BIT OF STATIC ELECTRICITY

 

 

 

Just FYI I and several others have purchased this product.

 

It does not work as advertised.

[MegaMind]

4 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

You have nothing to show.

 

 

I dont see any objective evidence or medical science proving its not true yet.

 

 

 

We have an art that anyone can examine the objective video evidence gathered with scientists and medical doctors present to do their best to rule out fraud.

 

After examining that evidence they can undertake training and see the reality of the practice for themselves, no faith in anyone or anything is required.

 

The results are such that they would change currently held paradigms about everything we believe is (and is not) true.

 

This is a practice which could change our world.

[MegaMind]

Just now, GSmaster said:

 

No you dont have that. Moreover the video does not rule out yourself and your little group as fraud, as nowhere to be found the videos of someone testing you and your little group. You are fraud.

 

 

Any practice would do that.

 

 

How? 

 

We are not a fraud, we merely provide what John taught to Jim and Kosta without alteration.

 

We do not charge anyone anything, nor accept donations.

 

Out of millions of practices only a small handful do anything more than placebo.

 

If people want to see for themselves they can.

[thelerner]

19 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

Every student that seriously put effort into this training has realized the same results and experiences.

but you can't say what those are.  Its forbidden, ammo for those who read it. 

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It is not something we discuss here in public, for obvious reasons.

 

In this thread I have been called a balding, homosexual pot-head that charges people for this information and lots more, of course none of this is true but it keeps being repeated.

which I'm sorry for but you do seem a little bit of a glutton for punishment.  In that weeks ago, you could have made your case and left, instead you keep this thread going and going and going.  Writing the same things, over and over, knowing almost exactly what you'll get back.  This is a pretty typical MP thread.   Crazily, shorter then many, where a singular WMP person keeps a circular thread going for months.

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Anything we say in here in public is used as ammunition to try and discredit us.

I don't know.  I think writing honestly about your experiences is a tact you should try.  In that its what every one on the board does. It's kinda the boards whole purpose.  I am guilty of throwing back at More Pie Bear that he wasn't practicing Mo Pai but was seemingly spending hours writing on forum boards.  I thought that was bad.  I 'used' his confession him, but there was the hope he'd write less and practice his art more.  A piece of advice many of us need. 

 

I'd ask how much you practiced, how long a typical session was but again- it'd only be used as ammo against you.  Your forbidden to write about personal experiences. 

 

addon>  You don't need to provide no stinkin proof.  You've got old John Chang videos.  yeah yeah. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by thelerner

[Power Of Will13]

6 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

У нас есть искусство, что любой может изучить объективные видео доказательства, собранные учеными и врачами, чтобы сделать все возможное, чтобы исключить мошенничество.

 

Изучив эти доказательства, они могут пройти обучение и увидеть реальность практики для себя, вера ни в кого или что-либо не требуется.

 

Результаты таковы, что они изменили бы существующие в настоящее время парадигмы обо всем, что мы считаем (и не) правдой.

 

Это практика, которая может изменить наш мир.

 

any practice will be better than this quarrel that you made here. @MegaMind is right and he truly what to find a way to this technology. That’s great. Anyone can say BS I just don’t understand why you spend so much time to kick @MegaMind from this forum. You don’t  have nothing to do? Or what? Go and try something and let us know. Don’t waste your time because it’s never enough.

 

@Эрл Грей @Starjumper @GSmaster @thelerner @Zork