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  1. I guess it depends on what you consider a master to be. For example, there are zen masters, and they only have one technique. Someone could learn a simple set of chi kung exercises and practice them enough to say they have mastered them, and if you stretch meanings enough you could maybe let them get away with calling themselves a master of that one system, but they wouldn't be what I consider to be a real chi kung master. In fact with all the things I've learned and know and experienced, which is more than some people who call themselves masters, I don't really think of myself as being a master of chi kung, because I've seen a real master, the real rare one in a million type. Something which sets the bar impossibly high, well, maybe it's possible some decades ahead if I stop writing and start practicing more. In the final analysis, I've seen it written that there is no official mastery in Taoism, that mastery is in the eye of the beholder.
  2. It's not so hard to remember thousands of techniques, just like it's not so hard to remember thousands of words. If you use them and practice them you get some 'body memory' too. What really makes it easier is that a lot of these techniques are just variations of each other of some hundreds or hundred categories of techniques. Once you know one category of movement than all the variations naturally follow, like embellishments, and you don't really need to remember each one. After you learn all the 'ways' then you don't really practice them all but rather practice whichever variation happens to hold your interest at the moment. Sometimes I'll run through a sequence of variations of one movement for myself, but I more often do it when I'm teaching someone. I'll do the basic movement and then each following one is a little bit different from the one before, this is probably not the best way to teach a serious student, but in this little tourist town there are none of those so pfft, who cares. When someone comes here to spend a couple of months learning chi kung them I'm more careful about starting at the beginning and running through the variations in a manner similar to how my teacher taught it to me.
  3. Wow, there's a lot of jings out there! I guess my teachers never mentioned the pushing type of long jin because they just called it pushing, and we didn't put a lot of stock in pushing anyway, the preferred way was to stop and drop someone ASAP with something more like what you called cold power or short power. I didn't see fajin in that list. One of my teachers used to say "If you break your partner you don't get a new one"
  4. I can't figure out how to make the multiquote system work so this will have to do. It looks like we have a problem with definitions here, or I'm not getting what exactly is being demonstrated. What I've learned about fajin is that it is an explosive strike, just like a one inch punch, which can be used to explode internal organs. My Yang tai chi teacher said that fajin is a strike which starts at the surface of the body and then penetrates an inch or two with explosive force. Tchoung Ta Tchen said that if you use fajin on anyone that they won't be your friend any more (dead or alive). So we never use fajin on a person, only against inanimate objects. What I'm seeing in the video looks to me like a one inch push rather than fajin. Once I was visiting my chi kung brother and fearless clan leader and we got together with some of his othe MA family for a bit of celebration in his friend's dojo. which was a big metal building about the size of a three or four car garage. I did a fajin against a rubber block that was mounted on one of the metal beams, it was used for kicking practice and was above head height. My brother gave me a little pointer and I tried it again against the little rubber block and the building resounded with a loud BOOM, as if a truck had just run into it, and everyone appeared to be duly impressed Except for Wells, of course, who is a world expert on fajin. You do NOT want to do that against another living being. Just saying. So ... I didn't see any fajin there in that video, that is all.
  5. That is a good way of putting it. I think one thing that facilitates this is when you learn so many ways of moving then one or a few ways don't seem so important like they would in a chi kung system with just a few techniques. This is the way I normally think of it and explain it: You need to be looking internally while you do the movements and postures and feel the energy, feel how the movement is affecting the energy in each case. For example when moving a hand near my leg I can feel the energy of my leg with my hand, or the energy of my hand with my leg. If I walk past someone with a lot of energy I can feel their buzz as I go by. When doing some movements or still meditations I feel how it affects the energy inside my torso or head. When slowly putting hands together with stretched out arms and closed eyes, I feel for the energy from one hand's fingers with the other hand's fingers so that I can get them aligned properly and put them together properly, with eyes closed. In the tai chi classics it mentions three stages of energy cultivation that a person should go through. 1. Listening energy, 2. controlling energy, and 3. knowing energy. So listening to (feeling) the energy is the all important first step. Now brings up a problem with some types of chi kung. Instead of having you feel for the energy they have you visualize energy moving, which is baaaad. Let's say you make a certain rising and sinking movement with the body and hands (the hands are the all important energy tools one uses to cultivate) and they will blah blah their way through it, like this: "imagine a ball of blue light going up your elohmottob, circling your left teste, going up to your heart where is turns red, and then back down to the ground via the elohmottob. This results in a person using their imagination and just imagining they are doing something instead of actually doing it with the tools at their disposal, their hands. So the hands gain no power and the person gains no learning from listening. It's more like blah blah. Another important thing is that this one movement might do many other energy tasks that a student would ignore by focussing on the one example they were told. I have learned a lot from what sensitive students have told me that they felt while doing some movement, because I didn't tell them what to expect. One of the important points is that by focussing on the feeling of energy you train your brain and your nerves to become even more sensitive, and this is one of the main ways of increasing power.
  6. I think it is so, or can be, but doesn't have to be. Once I visited a class by a young Chinese chi kung teacher in Seattle and he had us do a partner exercise that required a certain spacing. To get this proper spacing we were supposed to stand with our arms and fingers out straight, fingertip to fingertip with the other. I didn't want to do it but did in order to go along with it, for just a second. Right away the guy got real fidgety and started bouncing up and down a little, then he said "thanks for the energy". So the extra energy, which I didn't want to give him, made him very active and appearing to be a bit nervous, but his hands weren't shaking or vibrating. My teacher had told us not to play energy games with people. The way Clayman is moving is different and indicates a problem. He should be used to his own energy, as sick as it may be, and if he can't remain calm even for an advertising video then there's a problem. It appears he has damaged his nervous system.
  7. Good points, Also, vibrating palm is an interesting technique, but it should manifest from softness. Spastic fingers and legs is nothing like vibrating palm or having a little controlled vibration when the fingers are straight. The guy is like an old spastic, that is all. There is an interesting story about vibrating palm that I can share. Once upon a time some young kung fu guys in China were showing off by smashing watermelons with punches, which doesn't seem to prove much of anything to me. Then an old tai chi guy came by and gave one of the watermelons a little slap and it didn't break. So all the kung fu experts started snickering and making 'comments'. Then the tai chi master got out his pocket knife, cut a hole in the side of the watermelon, and the insides poured out like juice. For some reason the snickering stopped right away. This is vibrating palm and it comes from softness. Kind of different from being a spastic.
  8. In my book you are right, and it's wonderful that you avoided doing Hairy Lieman's stuff. Mr. Yueng told me that the principle of iron shirt came from observing how a certain type of frog in China would react to 'blows'. If you started tapping the frog on the back, with say a pencil, it would puff up. That is all. The thing is that doing iron shirt is creating a lot of tension and pressure in your body, and that is not good for longevity, it can lead to strokes and other circulatory problems. We were advised to never create tension and pressure on purpose. The goal in real nei kung is to become soft and yielding. It is hard enough for a person to discover their inner tensions even when they are trying to relax as much as possible (implement sung). Creating tension on purpose is counterproductive and actually trains you to hold tension on some level. So you have a choice, work on softness, health and longevity or work on hardness to learn to absorb blows. What is more important to you, health or standing there and taking a beating? Up to you. Lao Tzu had something to say about softness vs. hardness in the TTC. Instead of learning to be hard and resist impacts it is better to learn yielding and not get hit in the first place. There are ways of breathing that we use which create a little pressure in the body but the goal is also maximum relaxation at the same time, in this way you can observe how the pressure creates tension, where it is, and work on releasing that tension while you are creating some pressure. Concerning Hairy Lieman, look at how he is full of nervous tension, look at it manifesting in the way his fingers and legs are moving uncontrollably. It's easy to see that he has really messed himself up by doing his practices.
  9. That is a good idea. I think it would serve well to split this off to a different topic and put it back in the Taoism section. Let me think about that for a bit before I make an official request to a moderator. It's too bad the posts aren't numbered any more.
  10. Now that's a good question, and I'm guessing but I think the answer would be yes (for pure chi kung), I've led kind of a sheltered life in regards to this because I mainly learned the one system. I think one of the other members with a more worldly view could do a better job of answering that. I've learned some short forms of other chi kungs and could see that my system seems to cover the exercises in those, but with variations of course, however there's enough similarity to see they are actually one method done a little differently. One thing that comes to mind is that different variations have different levels of 'power' and so we begin with the lower power variations and progress towards higher power variations. If a beginner was to start with a high power variation they might not 'get it' because they haven't established the foundation necessary to understand or benefit from it, and possibly they could hurt themselves. For a person who is accustomed to working on more powerful variations to do the lower power variation could well be counterproductive and result in becoming wimpier rather than stronger. Concerning systems, a lot of the normal types of chi kung that just contain a few exercise and are for beginners normally contain the weaker variations, which is what inspired me to coin the term 'wimpy chi kung', but those are probably proper for beginners. The problem is when someone takes a bit of wimpy chi kung and says "This is IT". In the internal martial arts the answer would be a definite yes, like in different types of tai chi (which is a chi kung) the different ones have different variations that are for that system. In martial arts there are many different body types and some methods work well for one body type and others for a different body type. For example, Mr. Yueng was kind of short and slender, and he didn't have the power to knock someone out like Bruce did, but he sure as hell could end a fight in one second and incapacitate an attacker. Getting back to the big chi kung systems, there are so many techniques that different people naturally end up focussing more on different methods and so they develop in different ways. For example a couple of my chi kung brothers, who also used to practice with each other, took one of the techniques and developed that quite a lot, with the result that they developed some strong Jedi type abilities, whereas I didn't see that opportunity and completely missed the boat with regards to the Jedi stuff. Instead I focussed on other things, like cultivating a lot of head energy, with the result that an observer who had the 'sight' told me I have a powerful beam of violet light going out the top of my head, which is said to be one requirement for being a Taoist priest, but I sure ain't no priest. Later I dropped the head stuff and started focussing more on lower and middle tan tien. So it's all a big experiment and a journey of discovery.
  11. Good, that reminds me of a point I was going to make above and forgot. If you take all the variations of one of the exercises and count them as one then that would reduce the number of techniques down from ten thousand to a hundred or some few hundreds. Same with the sitting meditations, if you take all the variations of one type and count them as one then you would end up with only some dozens of methods instead of hundreds. If the teacher is not in the habit of showing the variations then it is up to the student to have an exploratory nature and check some of those things out, after they master the primary one of course.
  12. is there any alternating definition or more information on "sung"? That quote actually came from someone else and I had copied it. I'm pretty sure that was originally written by Dwai. I'm not one to ask about definitions of Chinese words because I know very little of the terminology, as far as I can recall sung means something like relaxing or sinking.
  13. This mention of thousands may be misleading. In the literature is says that the powerful wholistic systems contain ten thousand techniques, and this is referring to nei kung. Actually ten thousand in Taoism simply means 'too many to count' or 'everything'. If you break it down you will see that a lot of techniques are simply variations. You learn a technique and then later you do it slightly differently, the technique keeps changing little by little till after a long while you end up doing something fairly different. The thing is that each little variation has something to teach you about energy, health, and exercising in general. The same applies to the different postures, slight movements, and intent that we use during sitting meditation. Then after you do a whole spectrum of variations of one technique sometimes that one may be dropped and you start on a new type of movement and go through the same process again. This way of learning makes it easy to remember the different variations and methods. It keeps you curious and exploratory which is the proper attitude, and you never get bored. There were a couple of times when my teacher did something different for a few seconds and only did it once. If a student was not a good observer they may have missed it. I myself forgot about one such technique for a few years and then it came back to me, so I tried it, and found that it is actually a powerful technique and opened up a whole world of powerful variations. It was due to the constant training in exploring variations that my chi kung brother and I were able to discover a new big world of powerful methods, and any student that didn't notice it or forgot it would simply lose it forever. This is another method that master teachers use to see if you are a worthy student. My chi kung brother used to come to my house each week and we would take turns leading and following. One week he would lead and i would follow, the next week I would lead and he would follow. Doing this was very helpful for learning because he would do some variation of something which I liked and then the next week I would take that same thing and explore a different variation of it. In this way we helped each other learn a lot. Now the reason that I brought up this explanation of what true nei kung is is because it circles back to the original intent of this thread. The word nei kung has become popular lately and people are taking advantage of it to make money, bastardizing the concept for money, teaching some simplistic BS and calling it nei kung, which is a lie.
  14. Ya, I'll admit I was going by some superficial observations and guessing, and that it didn't cover all the bases. I guess I would have been safer if I had compared it to American karate for children