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I've been trying to find out what chakra's are all about. I've never really understood it, nor does Wikipedia and other articles I've found a good insight. Most of them are all too cryptic for someone who hasn't really been into all this wisdom/information.

 

I'm wondering if anyone could make a general introduction in to the philosophy of chakra's. Thank you in advance

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This below is not about "philosophy", per se, but is really just basic physical observations, and I will try to explain one perspective here:

 

Human being stands on Earth surface and encounters two main forces. One is coming down from the heavens and is centrepital. The other is coming out from the Earth, mainly due to rotation, and is centerfugal.

 

All beings on Earth are living in between these two forces.

 

In the human being the force from the Heavens is going down, towards Earth, and force from the Earth is going upwards, towards the Heavens.

 

In various spots roughly along center-line of human body, these two energies meet and form spirals or "wheels". Chakra means "wheel". At these spirals, organs and functions are appearing that create balance of the two forces at that point. Creating balance by intake and expression human body is doing, and how in each spiral area this is happening - digestion, circulation, thinking, moving arms and/or legs, etc.

 

Inspecting old diagrams, we see that these spirals also correspond to major parts, organs & functions, of the endocrine system. Hormones and energy are expressing from these spirals and changing awareness and interactions with the environment.

 

One thing that is happening is hormonal responses - which is how human being responds to the balancing of these two forces.

 

Human energy and consciousness came from infinity - same as heaven and earth. After materialization, physical conception on Earth, then is going to de-materialization or "spiritualization" or "back to godhead", etc. So in overall human development of interaction and consciousness (which are manifestations of environment) is going back from Earth to Heavens.

 

Full functioning in these chakra spirals is also progressing from Earth towards the Heavens - from bottom of body to top of body, and represents the growing functionality of the human body in producing interactive consciousness and actions. And these are really hormonal functions. Even to react to any stimulus, or to be aware at all are hormonal functions. Neurotransmitters are hormones.

 

This is happening because human body is actually the placenta of our "spiritual" body. Like the placenta in the womb falls off and decomposes after building the physical body, the human body falls down and decomposes upon death while the spiritual body is born. Last chakras are actually above human body and reflect this.

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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Chakras are merging and distribution centers for the network of meridians through with energy flows in the body. These are called Nadis (meridians) and energy is called Prana (qi). 

 

The explanation of forces affecting the body is at a gross level. At a finer level, there are energies that are essentially following similar patterns. 


The Ayurveda/yoga system recognizes prana being categorized into 5 types of "winds" (Pancha Vayu) that have specific functions on the energetics of the body (and as a result there of, the biology of the body). They are called "Prana, Vyana, Apana, Udana and Samana". 

 

This link has a good introductory article on the subject -- http://www.yogabasics.com/learn/the-five-vayus/

 

So now, these 5 types of energy (essentially same prana, but due to direction of flow, vibration patterns etc) are what interconnect the 7 major centers (and many more minor ones) to create a 'network' of intelligent energy within the body. 

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The chakras are vortices of subtle energies interconnecting the physical body with the subtle bodies as well as the subtle bodies with one another. There are many such energy centers, and while there are different views on which ones are to be considered the main centers in various systems, there is nonetheless a good consent regarding the location of these centers.

 

For example, in the Chinese system, Conception Vessel 4 (a point on the lower abdomen that directly connects to the Lower Dantien) coincides with the sacral chakra in the Hindu system.

 

Since the chakras are interconnecting the physical level with the non-physical (etheric, emotional, mental, spiritual) levels, it is possible to recognize and heal disturbances affecting one or more of these levels via the chakras. In other words, they are the gateways through which the psyche influences the body, and vice versa.

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Chakras are energetic whirlpools created between the interaction of yang and yin (hot and cold)/(magnetic/electric)

 

The chakras are amplifiers. They also allow the sexual energy to become a substance of intelligence.

 

That is how i see them :)

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The Nadis are not really the same as Meridians - sometimes they are mistranslated but they are far more subtle and extensive.

They are also part of the makeup of the finer portions of a chakra.

 

One could say mostly all of the above posts about chakras and add that they are centers within which various abilities arise given various qualities of vibration / fuel. The higher fuels are created by effort / practice / life. The chakras intermix with all of the bodies - gross to subtle and interface with broader "nature" energy.

 

Most people function primarily out of only a few chakras - generally one prominent one and one secondary. Both Yoga and Qi Gong will brighten and raise the vibration of all of your chakras - if you do not pick and choose the exercises you like and discard the ones you do not.

 

If you do not know what you are doing it is best not to fiddle with chakras - even then - it is best not to fiddle with them if you do - but you can play with them insofar as imagining them at different vibrations or imagine cleaning them and what some people deride as New Age stuff. It has a very real basis in metaphysical practice but it appears to simple for some - it is very similar to the most advanced practices.

 

For the most part vortex is an appropriate visual term - they appear pretty much as most texts show. They can be quite wispy and they can be very clear, concise and can be seen on the skin surface from the size of a dime to 4-5 inches in diameter.

 

It is not too difficult to feel them from the surface to about 3 or 4 inches into the body in various ways - some will feel a slight rotation, most will feel warmth, at the start some feel itching. Later these feeling become more ones of a magnetic force though this is not a very good metaphor - they also have a somewhat static feel - one of high voltage but not so much amperage. Magnetic is the closest and the emanations look very much like magnetic fields. Clearish crystalline in a heathy person.

 

added: they can also extend outward from the physical body quite far - 8-12 feet and more but for the most part extend outward only a few inches in most humans.

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Regarding what I referred to as playing with chakras - unfortunately most people who play with their chakras vibration seem to think that bigger is better and white is the bees knees - neither are even romotely correct. This unfounded thinking and practice can lead to al sorts of serious problems.

 

A real Yoga practice or Qi Gong practice will transform and energize the chakras in a healthy way and in traditions that are well found. Both practices will also activate all chakras that heretofore may not have been firing on all cylinders.

 

The very general philosophy of chakras:

You have abilities that will unfold in your life - these are the engines from which a great many abilities come forth - some do not work on lower energy levels - or they do not show their true colors in the lower fuel qualities.

The coarse transforms into the fine - this is practice, effort, life.

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Chakara, chakara, chakara, the sound of a wheel going down a stone road, wheels spin they do not open and close.

 

The first chakra we are born with and there is no doing involved.

 

The next is to get a job, food, clothing, car, house with ones own ability.

 

Then the heart chakra, we are now ready for love and raising children.

 

Then the third eye of awareness as we are now responsible for a new life. As example say when you were young and your mom is upstairs,  you open the fridge and your mom yells to you to stop drinking the milk from the container, you can see how her third eye is working perfectly.

 

Then the crown you have raised children and now they have all left the house. With all this accumulated work,experience and time we reap the benefits of life like a fall harvest. Retire from the world and invest our wealth into ourselves.  

 

I apologize for being so mystical in this approach of the chakra system. These energies have no physical location so dont waste time looking for them in a physical location in your body.we also call energy by different names and manifestations but it is really only one energy.

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Why is this thread in Daoist Textual Studies?  It's about chakras which are not Daoist and does not concern a text.

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Why is this thread in Daoist Textual Studies?  It's about chakras which are not Daoist and does not concern a text.

 

Moving to General

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Well if we change the words to elixir fields and gates it would be more comfortable. 

 

Still not a Textual Study is it?

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The following is a quote by Wu Ming Jen:

 

QUOTE --------------------------------------------

 

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Chakara, chakara, chakara, the sound of a wheel going down a stone road, wheels spin they do not open and close.

 

The first chakra we are born with and there is no doing involved.

 

The next is to get a job, food, clothing, car, house with ones own ability.

 

Then the heart chakra, we are now ready for love and raising children.

 

Then the third eye of awareness as we are now responsible for a new life. As example say when you were young and your mom is upstairs, you open the fridge and your mom yells to you to stop drinking the milk from the container, you can see how her third eye is working perfectly.

 

Then the crown you have raised children and now they have all left the house. With all this accumulated work,experience and time we reap the benefits of life like a fall harvest. Retire from the world and invest our wealth into ourselves.

 

I apologize for being so mystical in this approach of the chakra system. These energies have no physical location so dont waste time looking for them in a physical location in your body.we also call energy by different names and manifestations but it is really only one energy.

]]]]

 

END QUOTE --------------------------------------------------

 

 

Regarding the following portion of the above quote:

 

"These energies have no physical location so dont waste time looking for them in a physical location in your body.we also call energy by different names and manifestations but it is really only one energy."

 

This is not true.

 

It is obvious why a great many may come to this conclusion but it is as untrue to say this as if one were to say the fingers do not have a physical location.

 

Not only are they physical but in certain higher awareness they are more real than the skin in that the skin is relatively static by comparison to the strong streams of energy moving about in and between the chakras. In fact the only other sensation at that awareness that is as noticeable is breath and light.

 

(this is a wide awake state - not a trance state or some state of questionable cognizance - eyes wide open - extraordinarily aware)

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Hi Spotless, what moves the fingers?

 

The physical location is an association for a particular energy so think energy without a  body we leave the realm of non permanence not mistaking the temporary for the eternal.

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Hi Spotless, what moves the fingers?

 

The physical location is an association for a particular energy so think energy without a body we leave the realm of non permanence not mistaking the temporary for the eternal.

Please continue...

 

My imaginary finger is connected to my imaginary hand and it is tapping in anticipation of how my imaginary body has no imaginary chakra locations yet it feels as much existent as my imaginary fingers. It appears that the wisdom of their being "no location" is imaginary - unless we assend to the level that all is imaginary and then the conversation veers off into "beyond" language here.

 

In the Now in our bodies - our great vehicles - the chakras have location in so far as fingers are located on our hands and toes on our feet.

 

In your statement you did not first assend the conversation to the "all things are in fact illusion" - you stated that chakras "have no location" and now after the fact you appear to wish to assend the conversation to "all is just one energy" and the "separation is illusion" theme.

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Hi spotless,

 

I am saying that energy has no fixed physical location. It is not here or there in the body it is the point where the physical elements do not adhere beyond the laws of the physical world. 

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I read about chacras many times and finally came to a conclusion - I would better read about Chinese 5 elements theory and meridians.

After I read it I immediately realized what organs should be cured if I want to fix my emotional problems.

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Our digestion of the world - our experience of the world and our inter relationship within and without is more a factor of our chakras and nadis than the so called "physical" body.

The gross physical exists because of the higher forming bodies - basically the opposite of our notion of its cause.

 

Our senses are far finer than we realize - but we subjugate them and do not actively develop them - and so they are under-utilized.

The gross senses are nothing in comparison to the higher senses - our higher senses operate regardless of our awareness of them and effect everything we do, say and hear.

 

We are walking on this earth effected beyond measure by our race - yet we think it's effect is largely biological - we have no idea of the memory stored in it. We believe so much of our behavior is cultural - and a great deal of it is effected by this - but we have extremely deep seated wolf pack behaviors that are entirely automated by our race.

 

We do not realize that our subtle bodies "hearing" of frequencies has a pecking order over - or under.

 

We are also in constant contact with spirit - in many cases more spirit contact than human.

 

Our subtle abilities are aware of attention points from anywhere on earth - we interact with the world in a far more complex and rich array of dimensions than we think and we are capable of expanding this to levels that leave in the dust the loftiest of imaginings.

 

It is interesting that some of our greatest being ness is shown to our pets - because they can have us and we can pour forth onto them all that we are without reproach and backlash. Our systems relax with them - we so rarely relax with our human friends.

 

Our pets hear our word and our feeling - they do talk to us - and they do hear us (in full English - or what ever language you speak). And far more than one might imagine - so also do humans - but we spar with our fellow humans - and we have clear pecking order both by race, sex and station (the race and sex pecking order referred to here is entirely born to the great vehicle we inhabit - I am not referring to cultural inculcations during this life).

 

We carry traits of past lives far beyond what we imagine - infinitesimal proclivities as well as strong reactive pre-dispositions.

 

Meditation immediately effects not only the creation of higher fuels but it begins to align our frequencies into harmony and presence.

As this strengthens, impurities pop and crackle and are cleared from the system - some transformed - some literally expulsed in our feces, urine, sweat and aspiration. Meditation, self effort and the transmutation of our life experience combine to awaken new color in us and allow for much greater universal participation.

 

The chakras, nadis and subtle bodies are our most active bodies - they are the most present to what we perceive as ourselves and what we are in reality.

 

In practice our finer systems begin attunment to high energies and spirit recognizes this and increasingly moves to employ it. The staid and safe inculcations - those dead parts - begin to dissolve and we re- emerge.

 

If you walk into a bar or into a wilderness - each chakra is involved in a myriad of assessments and communications and adjustments. The food you take in through your eyes far exceeds the food you take into your body. The ground energy and the energy in the air around you has great effect upon all the subtle bodies. Your eyes have chakrams, your fingertips and toes as well.

 

Each hair upon your body has an energy center that is capable of extremely fine perception.

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Our digestion of the world - our experience of the world and our inter relationship within and without is more a factor of our chakras and nadis than the so called "physical" body.

The gross physical exists because of the higher forming bodies - basically the opposite of our notion of its cause.

 

Our senses are far finer than we realize - but we subjugate them and do not actively develop them - and so they are under-utilized.

The gross senses are nothing in comparison to the higher senses - our higher senses operate regardless of our awareness of them and effect everything we do, say and hear.

 

We are walking on this earth effected beyond measure by our race - yet we think it's effect is largely biological - we have no idea of the memory stored in it. We believe so much of our behavior is cultural - and a great deal of it is effected by this - but we have extremely deep seated wolf pack behaviors that are entirely automated by our race.

 

We do not realize that our subtle bodies "hearing" of frequencies has a pecking order over - or under.

 

We are also in constant contact with spirit - in many cases more spirit contact than human.

 

Our subtle abilities are aware of attention points from anywhere on earth - we interact with the world in a far more complex and rich array of dimensions than we think and we are capable of expanding this to levels that leave in the dust the loftiest of imaginings.

 

It is interesting that some of our greatest being ness is shown to our pets - because they can have us and we can pour forth onto them all that we are without reproach and backlash. Our systems relax with them - we so rarely relax with our human friends.

 

Our pets hear our word and our feeling - they do talk to us - and they do hear us (in full English - or what ever language you speak). And far more than one might imagine - so also do humans - but we spar with our fellow humans - and we have clear pecking order both by race, sex and station (the race and sex pecking order referred to here is entirely born to the great vehicle we inhabit - I am not referring to cultural inculcations during this life).

 

We carry traits of past lives far beyond what we imagine - infinitesimal proclivities as well as strong reactive pre-dispositions.

 

Meditation immediately effects not only the creation of higher fuels but it begins to align our frequencies into harmony and presence.

As this strengthens, impurities pop and crackle and are cleared from the system - some transformed - some literally expulsed in our feces, urine, sweat and aspiration. Meditation, self effort and the transmutation of our life experience combine to awaken new color in us and allow for much greater universal participation.

 

The chakras, nadis and subtle bodies are our most active bodies - they are the most present to what we perceive as ourselves and what we are in reality.

 

In practice our finer systems begin attunment to high energies and spirit recognizes this and increasingly moves to employ it. The staid and safe inculcations - those dead parts - begin to dissolve and we re- emerge.

 

If you walk into a bar or into a wilderness - each chakra is involved in a myriad of assessments and communications and adjustments. The food you take in through your eyes far exceeds the food you take into your body. The ground energy and the energy in the air around you has great effect upon all the subtle bodies. Your eyes have chakrams, your fingertips and toes as well.

 

Each hair upon your body has an energy center that is capable of extremely fine perception.

 

Referring specifically to the "sex pecking order... born to the great vehicle we inhabit" that is beyond enculturation, can you explain more about how this difference appears to your subtle sight, and how this might show itself in life?

 

Or do you mean that the pecking order is inevitable because of physical differences?

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Referring specifically to the "sex pecking order... born to the great vehicle we inhabit" that is beyond enculturation, can you explain more about how this difference appears to your subtle sight, and how this might show itself in life?

 

Or do you mean that the pecking order is inevitable because of physical differences?

These are finer lines and ones in which you need to look into yourself for the answer - but with that said - the more obvious non- culture related energies are simply testosterone and estrogen. It is best not to go into them to deeply here but if you look up the effects of testosterone it is as wild a ride as one can be set upon - a drug beyond measure. Women who have changed sex and gone on testosterone treatment invariably say "I had no idea!".

 

Aside from the out of control and second "brain" effects - it definitely has in its natural and healthy place a deep tonal effect.

 

To higher hearing the sound is like strong amperage - an electrical current that has a low deep strong sound amperage sound with little voltage. The type of sound which if it were coming from an electrical outlet - a small dose of it would electrocute you or at the very least knock you backwards. The strength of this sound has a pecking order built in - it is both calming to be around and dominant.

 

Estrogen (and I will tread lightly here because I do not have a female body so my current life experience is one of observation both normal and extra sensory) produces a higher vibration that has a sound not unlike "snow" on a television - like "white noise" - it can be quite loud and strong. It is similar to high voltage and low amperage. It can be dominant as well - it can be dominant in a setting with both males and females - this is also true for testosterone - it can be a dominat determinant in both settings.

 

This energy (estrogen) is both calming and exciting and has a wider variety of immediate effects.

 

Suffice it to say that you will notice that frequently certain people "naturally dominate" - obviously other factors such as height effect natural dominate tendencies and cultural factors such as dress, uniforms, jewelry, skin color, facial features - I am speaking about people in situations where know one knows anyone.

 

Again all of this needs to be looked at from your own perspective - this is such an explosive topic I hope it does not explode here - if for some reason it does please don't participate.

 

General assumptions based on what I put forth are difficult because there are endless variations. From the outside one can see someone walk into a room and everything has changed but it is not clear why.

If you can hear the difference - and a part of you can - it may be that the strong loud sound of either sex has just entered the room and it is impossible not to notice or be affected by it.

 

Yet this same type of effect can be had by pheromones and a host of other features one may exhibit.

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These are finer lines and ones in which you need to look into yourself for the answer - but with that said - the more obvious non- culture related energies are simply testosterone and estrogen. It is best not to go into them to deeply here but if you look up the effects of testosterone it is as wild a ride as one can be set upon - a drug beyond measure. Women who have changed sex and gone on testosterone treatment invariably say "I had no idea!".

 

Aside from the out of control and second "brain" effects - it definitely has in its natural and healthy place a deep tonal effect.

 

To higher hearing the sound is like strong amperage - an electrical current that has a low deep strong sound amperage sound with little voltage. The type of sound which if it were coming from an electrical outlet - a small dose of it would electrocute you or at the very least knock you backwards. The strength of this sound has a pecking order built in - it is both calming to be around and dominant.

 

Estrogen (and I will tread lightly here because I do not have a female body so my current life experience is one of observation both normal and extra sensory) produces a higher vibration that has a sound not unlike "snow" on a television - like "white noise" - it can be quite loud and strong. It is similar to high voltage and low amperage. It can be dominant as well - it can be dominant in a setting with both males and females - this is also true for testosterone - it can be a dominat determinant in both settings.

 

This energy (estrogen) is both calming and exciting and has a wider variety of immediate effects.

 

Suffice it to say that you will notice that frequently certain people "naturally dominate" - obviously other factors such as height effect natural dominate tendencies and cultural factors such as dress, uniforms, jewelry, skin color, facial features - I am speaking about people in situations where know one knows anyone.

 

Again all of this needs to be looked at from your own perspective - this is such an explosive topic I hope it does not explode here - if for some reason it does please don't participate.

 

General assumptions based on what I put forth are difficult because there are endless variations. From the outside one can see someone walk into a room and everything has changed but it is not clear why.

If you can hear the difference - and a part of you can - it may be that the strong loud sound of either sex has just entered the room and it is impossible not to notice or be affected by it.

 

Yet this same type of effect can be had by pheromones and a host of other features one may exhibit.

So, are you claiming that high testosterone and high estrogen both dominate?  And that they are both calming, while estrogen is also exciting? 

 

Could you give an example of how something is both calming, yet exciting, at the same time?  Is it like being served a meal, so your hunger is calmed but taste buds excited?

 

And I understand height, but what would the "natural" pecking order for skin color or facial features be?

 

Also, can you detect these tones remotely over the internet?  If so, how accurately can you tell someone's biological identity and dominance without seeing them (to test your theory)?

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