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Damaged lower dantian

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I really messed up. a few days ago i had sex and then later did some stretching, and i believe i tore my lower dantian while doing so. Most likely due to not breathing/strethcing correctly plus the sex. I feel ashamed that this has happened.

 

Feeling pretty bad daily, like my energy is all over the place. i can't focus, lower abdomen feels cold, not sure if fluids are going down to testicles.

 

Do you guys believe this is something that will heal on its own over time?

I already prepared for the worse and have some names down here in California to hopefully be able to heal this.

https://www.nqa.org/


bruce frantzis

Madison Mansy

Lori Furbush

Rebecca Lance

Michael Rinaldini

 

Bruce Frantzis is the closest to me.

 

Is there anyone in California highly recommended for this? Do you recommend Bruce?

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Technically speaking, with a "teared" LDT you should be dead now. This should be Qi Deviation, probably due to the technique you've been practicing. What are you doing in terms of cultivation ?

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15 minutes ago, Desmonddf said:

Technically speaking, with a "teared" LDT you should be dead now. This should be Qi Deviation, probably due to the technique you've been practicing. What are you doing in terms of cultivation ?

 

It honestly feels torn. below lower abdomen feels weak, hollow, tender as well feeling fluid not going down. It collapsed in an instant where it felt the entire lower area give out :/

 

As far as practice, i was doing Flying Phoenix by Terry Dunn, but not consistently for the past 6 months. several months not doing it as well. More recently however, i had been doing it more frequently, since i felt like my body was ready to begin at a better starting point.

 

Long story short, i had very very bad injuries. things like pulling lower back, nerves detaching from spine, making one side of the body fall. Over time i developed the ability to move energy before having found Qigong.

 

a while back when doing flying phoenix, many things just didn't feel right. And so i stopped, because my foundation was very messed up. And so stupidly, or not stupidly, depending how you see it, i manually healed myself over time.

 

I thought i was at the end with a strong enough foundation to finally begin doing flying phoenix consistently, but then i stupidly wasn't cautious, and this happened.

 

All this being said, i was doing seated meditation 4-5 times/week. Which may have built the lower dantian.

 

But to your point, i was very scared. Though i did read some people say you die, i honestly don't feel very well. idk what dying feels like, but this feels like i'm losing my life force at a slow pace.

 

What i will say though, is that maybe the way the dantien had been built, and the certain stretch may have caused that to happen. Then again, there can be various other factors.

 

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I am sorry I can't help. Hope u get well soon.

 

This being said, I don't want to be rude but maybe you shouldn't give medical advice to others talking like u were an expert, when u can't understand, much less fix, ur own issues.

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2 minutes ago, Toni said:

I am sorry I can't help. Hope u get well soon.

 

This being said, I don't want to be rude but maybe you shouldn't give medical advice to others talking like u were an expert, when u can't understand, much less fix, ur own issues.

 

Thank you.

 

to clarify, i never showed anyone how to do anything. All i was doing was explaining what connection points there were, which is something that can be utilized to heal oneself with anything you do whether exercise, therapy, qigong, or yoga. What i was explaining was on the surface like, 'if you have an issue with your elbow, one can connect that to the knuckles which it represents, and get better neural function.' or 'feel the connecting points  a to b.' I never gave advice about what specifically to do in qigong, since i wasn't doing practicing enough.

 

What i did not listen to was getting an instructor, and my own advice of being careful. For all i know this could've happened on my own even if i did have an instructor because of my lack of caution. And that is something i admit to and am sorry for demonstrating how foolish i am speaking on here, and then doing another thing on my own.

 

 

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What i've been able to find so far, even just today. I relieved the area and brought things together slightly, by undoing some of the stretched areas such as the hamstring front groin and hamstring. I don't want to do anything more though.

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Yee-ouch! I have no idea either, but with any luck it sounds like just treat it as any other sprain/strain and take it easy for a while, feeling your way through it, as with those issues in the past, and learn more by just watching the natural healing instinct. I mean, needless to say if you really get some stabbing, shooting feeling, like an internal bleeding or something, there's no shame in getting checked out at the ER! Even if you don't have insurance most places willing to at least work with you. But it sounds kinda similar to some contortions i've put myself through to a lesser extent in the past. Even mundane injuries have a way of radiating pain differently, the more sensitive you become. Just don't panic or be too hard on yourself over it!

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an apology to everyone i insulted or had conflict with.

 

I never had any ill will or intention. All i wanted was for there to be more transparency in the way things were explained and advised. Maybe more freedom in the approaches that were utilized. I came here with my own personal expectations of possibly finding a safe haven with a bunch of enlightened people who wanted to make a difference. And i admit that because of my own ignorance, i was disappointed. And possibly, in previous years the forum may have had more of this, but nonetheless my actions and attitudes were wrong. Because there are still really great people here, even if i don't agree with some of what they say.

 

A lot of it coming from personal real life struggles, that i didn't get myself out of. More specifically relationship of many many years, and i let it bleed into the rest of my life.

 

To Earl Gray, Zork, Freeform, Taomeow, Apech, Nungali, and anyone else i didn't mention. I'm sorry.

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1 minute ago, Nintendao said:

Yee-ouch! I have no idea either, but with any luck it sounds like just treat it as any other sprain/strain and take it easy for a while, feeling your way through it, as with those issues in the past, and learn more by just watching the natural healing instinct. I mean, needless to say if you really get some stabbing, shooting feeling, like an internal bleeding or something, there's no shame in getting checked out at the ER! Even if you don't have insurance most places willing to at least work with you. But it sounds kinda similar to some contortions i've put myself through to a lesser extent in the past. Even mundane injuries have a way of radiating pain differently, the more sensitive you become. Just don't panic or be too hard on yourself over it!

 

Thank you for sharing your experience Nintendao. i am willing to go to the ER if it comes to that. I'm really hoping it's not as a bad as i think. It's been difficultnot to panic. But you're completely right, it feels way worse when i do.

 

 

 

 

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It's also completely possible that an unstable mind is creating a psycho-somatic issue or making this worse for you. Try relaxing if possible. Feel with your heart, forget about the mind and worries.

 

You  could contact Michael Lomax or Brion Beller. They are top grade Medical Qigong specialists, and can correctly diagnose and probably also treat your problem.

 

https://stillnessmovement.com/

https://spiritslightqigong.com

https://www.stillnessmovement.org/find-a-practitioner

 

Take care. Be cautious and wise from now on!

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That system isn't available for free, so I do not know exactly what you're doing. Can you describe your practices in detail, please?

 

A hollow feeling with sensation of weakness might come from a small tear on your CV meridian (possibly with damage to physical structures, but it remains to be seen), not on the LDT. It might or might not heal with time.

 

Is the area pale, umid and soft?

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1 hour ago, RiverSnake said:

I do a bit of healing work. Let me know if you'd like me to take a look. 

 

I would really appreciate it if you could.

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The best thing to do is consult Eric Isen. You will unfortunately need to pay, but you will get an accurate diagnosis, and it will be better than conjecture here from what appears to be missing details, and may not even be related to the LDT tearing, as this doesn’t sound like the LDT tearing but qi deviation and another issue altogether.

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1 hour ago, virtue said:

It's also completely possible that an unstable mind is creating a psycho-somatic issue or making this worse for you. Try relaxing if possible. Feel with your heart, forget about the mind and worries.

 

You  could contact Michael Lomax or Brion Beller. They are top grade Medical Qigong specialists, and can correctly diagnose and probably also treat your problem.

 

https://stillnessmovement.com/

https://spiritslightqigong.com

https://www.stillnessmovement.org/find-a-practitioner

 

Take care. Be cautious and wise from now on!

 

Thank you for these recommendations. I wish they were closer, i would contact them right away. If it comes to it i am willing to travel of course.

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16 minutes ago, Desmonddf said:

That system isn't available for free, so I do not know exactly what you're doing. Can you describe your practices in detail, please?

 

A hollow feeling with sensation of weakness might come from a small tear on your CV meridian (possibly with damage to physical structures, but it remains to be seen), not on the LDT. It might or might not heal with time.

 

Is the area pale, umid and soft?

 

i wouldn't say it's more pale than before. Just more pale than the rest of my body due to wearing pants. But it is soft. By umid do you mean humid?

 

For the flying phoenix, i was following the DVD.

 

For the practices:
so basically over the course of 6 months i was doing walking meditation, sitting meditation, qigong, slight yoga/stretching, and energy movement without practice.

 

Walking meditation - i would just breath with belly breathe out. Sometimes closed mouth sometimes open.

 

sitting meditation - consisted of breathing focusing on each area from top down to open the each area. Ultimately then breathing into stomach. (i believe this may have created the issues in breathing, probably wasn't doing correctly) Though was very inconsistent more recently, maybe only 2 days of this/week.

 

energy movement - stupidly do it every day. And will admit, my thoughts were probably not clear therefore probably not being completely aware of certain things.

 

And i smoke marijuana, which i've stopped for the past 3 days. prob won't go back to it for a while if not at all.

 

Stretching - This is the one that messed me up. no issues with stretching. But this is the one that caused it. I was doing wide legged stretch standing, and i think i was stupidly breathing. Which at that point as i went more into the stretch, i felt my stomach give out all the way down.

 

 

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1 hour ago, cheya said:

Any chance this is actually something physical? Like a hernia?

 

 

Quite possible if he's feeling pain.

 

2 hours ago, welkin said:

 

i wouldn't say it's more pale than before. Just more pale than the rest of my body due to wearing pants. But it is soft. By umid do you mean humid?

 

For the flying phoenix, i was following the DVD.

 

For the practices:
so basically over the course of 6 months i was doing walking meditation, sitting meditation, qigong, slight yoga/stretching, and energy movement without practice.

 

Walking meditation - i would just breath with belly breathe out. Sometimes closed mouth sometimes open.

 

sitting meditation - consisted of breathing focusing on each area from top down to open the each area. Ultimately then breathing into stomach. (i believe this may have created the issues in breathing, probably wasn't doing correctly) Though was very inconsistent more recently, maybe only 2 days of this/week.

 

energy movement - stupidly do it every day. And will admit, my thoughts were probably not clear therefore probably not being completely aware of certain things.

 

And i smoke marijuana, which i've stopped for the past 3 days. prob won't go back to it for a while if not at all.

 

Stretching - This is the one that messed me up. no issues with stretching. But this is the one that caused it. I was doing wide legged stretch standing, and i think i was stupidly breathing. Which at that point as i went more into the stretch, i felt my stomach give out all the way down.

 

 

 

That said, if it isn't physical, them I'm quite sure it is Qi Deviation, not a form of meridian tearing. By moving your energy with impure (not focused enough) thoughts you would generate blockages on your body as well as damage to your Souls (probably unrest of the Hun due to excess unconscious contents being chaotically rearanged), and by breathing abdominaly while moving your body backwards and raising your butt you should have created an excessive load on the organs, thus generating this phenomena.

 

Basically you're having problems because you probably blockaded one of the main meridians, but didn't rupture it or your LDT.

 

Try to feel the region around your lower abdomen for swollen and/or hard places. They shall hurt quite a bit if pressed with your fingers. Do press them and keep them pressed until the pain goes away (counter-intuitive, but that's how it works).


This should release the blockages and allow for your Lower Burner to be stabilized again.

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10 hours ago, welkin said:

 

i wouldn't say it's more pale than before. Just more pale than the rest of my body due to wearing pants. But it is soft. By umid do you mean humid?

 

For the flying phoenix, i was following the DVD.

 

For the practices:
so basically over the course of 6 months i was doing walking meditation, sitting meditation, qigong, slight yoga/stretching, and energy movement without practice.

 

Walking meditation - i would just breath with belly breathe out. Sometimes closed mouth sometimes open.

 

sitting meditation - consisted of breathing focusing on each area from top down to open the each area. Ultimately then breathing into stomach. (i believe this may have created the issues in breathing, probably wasn't doing correctly) Though was very inconsistent more recently, maybe only 2 days of this/week.

 

energy movement - stupidly do it every day. And will admit, my thoughts were probably not clear therefore probably not being completely aware of certain things.

 

And i smoke marijuana, which i've stopped for the past 3 days. prob won't go back to it for a while if not at all.

 

Stretching - This is the one that messed me up. no issues with stretching. But this is the one that caused it. I was doing wide legged stretch standing, and i think i was stupidly breathing. Which at that point as i went more into the stretch, i felt my stomach give out all the way down.

 

 

I would strongly advise against mixing Flying Phoenix Qigong with those walking / sitting meditations and energy movements. Just moving energy for it's own without proper foundation can create big imbalances if you don't move it where it needs and wants to go.. and especially when doing something like Flying Phoenix which moves the energy on it's own in certain pathways depending on the exercise, even hours after practiting, it's not very wise to move your chi in any other way. 

The stronger ones own energy get's, the more dangerous it is to mix different incompatible practices, and that's why I would really advise you to concentrate on one closed system with exercise that build on each other and and a competent teacher who can energetically intervene if something is not going right. 

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19 hours ago, cheya said:

Any chance this is actually something physical? Like a hernia?

 

 

17 hours ago, Desmonddf said:

 

Quite possible if he's feeling pain.

 

 

That said, if it isn't physical, them I'm quite sure it is Qi Deviation, not a form of meridian tearing. By moving your energy with impure (not focused enough) thoughts you would generate blockages on your body as well as damage to your Souls (probably unrest of the Hun due to excess unconscious contents being chaotically rearanged), and by breathing abdominaly while moving your body backwards and raising your butt you should have created an excessive load on the organs, thus generating this phenomena.

 

Basically you're having problems because you probably blockaded one of the main meridians, but didn't rupture it or your LDT.

 

Try to feel the region around your lower abdomen for swollen and/or hard places. They shall hurt quite a bit if pressed with your fingers. Do press them and keep them pressed until the pain goes away (counter-intuitive, but that's how it works).


This should release the blockages and allow for your Lower Burner to be stabilized again.

 

You hit the nail right on the head. Either a lot of experience or psychic :). After deciding to clean the house yesterday and constantly having to bend over to pick up things. I realized it was more on my right side near middle downward to pelvis. And you're right, it was how i breathed in that position. The additional thing was that my front right side under chin/upper neck was blocked, and not being breathed through correctly. Basically probably pulling towards the left, and straining/pulling the right side organs.

 

never had real pain. It felt more like dying from energy not being contained or losing it.

 

Today i used your advice. Though i did it on the left side since that as the harder area. And it did help further release the muscles to go towards the right.

 

Everything else you're saying is true. I wasn't focused, not in the right mind, and moving energy uncautiously. These past 2 months i'd just really lost clear will or purpose to live. A darker and confusing time. Lots of personal and family issues, as well as looking into past family history. All not very good at all when mixing with energy.

 

Honestly, thank you for the sincere and helpful advice. A combination of all of it really helped me go backwards and realize what i was doing wrong step by step. Things i had taken caution of before, but damn. Not having that will to move forward, i think i self sabotaged myself. I know it already.

 

But this experience has given me more motivation than ever to progress again.

 

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10 hours ago, phil said:

I would strongly advise against mixing Flying Phoenix Qigong with those walking / sitting meditations and energy movements. Just moving energy for it's own without proper foundation can create big imbalances if you don't move it where it needs and wants to go.. and especially when doing something like Flying Phoenix which moves the energy on it's own in certain pathways depending on the exercise, even hours after practiting, it's not very wise to move your chi in any other way. 

The stronger ones own energy get's, the more dangerous it is to mix different incompatible practices, and that's why I would really advise you to concentrate on one closed system with exercise that build on each other and and a competent teacher who can energetically intervene if something is not going right. 

 

Thank you Phil. I had been making these mistakes for sure. Maybe not all at once, but at different times. As soon as i get back to practice, i'm going to take all these precautions. Currently not doing any other system, just flying phoenix.

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You can't damage or "rip" your Lower Dan tien. It is not a physical thing to be damaged that way. If you are in pain, go see a doctor.

If you're only scared that you ripped your LDT, don't be -- it cannot happen.

 

That said, we CAN deplete our energy when we are careless with how/where we're spending it (too much thinking, too much sex, too much of any activity for that matter -- moderation is paramount).

 

Heck, most don't even know how to fill the LDT. Even when they sink their Qi it just sticks around in the lower belly and then dissipates. The LDT is an energetic structure the size of a golf ball with a tiny hole in it (smaller than a needle's width). When you fill your LDT, you have to slowly guide the Qi down into that hole. Like pouring oil into a very narrow bottle. The energy goes back into the emptiness within the LDT -- The LDT is a wormhole between emptiness and the world. 

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2 hours ago, dwai said:

You can't damage or "rip" your Lower Dan tien. It is not a physical thing to be damaged that way.

 

I was shocked at the incredible stupidity of the idea of ripping or damaging your tan tien, and wondered where such idioticity comes from.  Any ideas?

 

2 hours ago, welkin said:

But this experience has given me more motivation than ever to progress again.

 

Of course, no doubt the practices you use WILL screw up your energy system.

 

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2 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

I was shocked at the incredible stupidity of the idea of ripping or damaging your tan tien, and wondered where such idioticity comes from.  Any ideas?

 

It comes from not having a bonafide teacher imho. 
 

I won’t call it stupidity, just lack of knowledge.
 

Most people¬†are so scared about ‚Äúenergy‚ÄĚ that they imprison themselves in dubious conceptual prisons about what they read or (misread) in someone else‚Äôs book.¬†
 

If there was no life force/energy/Qi/Prana already in play, we’d be dead :) 

 

So instead of being afraid of energy and energy work, we should rather approach it with a healthy dose of pragmatism and positivity, imho.

 

avoidance is not the key, having a good strategy on how we can work with these energies is...

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