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6 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

Jesus fucking christ!

where!?  where!???

 

oh fer fucks sake!!!

did I miss him again!??

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1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

 

Jesus fucking Christ!

 

No, just a person who doesn't like people trying to debunk someone with no evidence

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2 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

No, just a person who doesn't like people trying to debunk someone with no evidence

Not convinced.

 

I've read the script too many times to not recognize it when I see it.

 

I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

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4 hours ago, silent thunder said:

where!?  where!???

 

oh fer fucks sake!!!

did I miss him again!??

 

Not to worry -- he´s coming back.

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5 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

 

So if people want to donate to me again - then I will do 4 hours of full lotus meditation nonstop for $20 per donation.

You can email me at ecoechocultivation@ g ma il

or just send a donation to

http://paypal.me/ecoechocultivation

and if you email me and send a donation - then you can email a photo if you want.

So then I can visualize energy into the photo as I meditate.

 

thanks

 

Four hours of focused full lotus meditation for just $20 is a great deal but not everybody has $20.  I offer a more economical alternative -- one hour of nonstop meditation for $5!  The meditation will occur on a chair and my mind may wander a bit, but hey, ya get what ya pay for.

 

:lol:

 

(no disrespect meant, voidisyinyang.  If you can heal people by meditating with their image in your mind and people want to pay you for it, more power to all concerned.  I´m just having a bit of fun on a hard day.)

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Well, John Chang, does not require any protection here, with his power, any kind of internet insults wont be much, but a sign of weakness from others.

 

When I showed my abilities somewhere, I also got many people coming and saying this is not real, you are scamming, this is cheating, try and prove this with webcam fixed and observers e.t.c

 

The thing is a group of people used his name to insult and bash everyone repeatedly, there were endless 100 pages threads of internet holy wars, and nobody wants a repeat. 

John chang being able or not to do something, has nothing to do with @Ilovecoffee and co , who could not do anything at all, including what genuine students of JC demonstrated.

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54 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

then I will do 4 hours of full lotus meditation

 

I am gonna go pay myself a 20$ to do a 4hour full lotus meditation :P

Meditation without slight movement, when you get in touch with principles of earth are very cool.

Sometimes even sitting in a crowded city you get lost, and feel yourself on top of the mountain.

 

Another thing about long term meditations is that concentration might fluctuate, I can see when I am getting 100% benefit from meditation and when not. It is harder to keep high quality meditation for longer periods of time, like 8 hours.

 

Like you could be still sitting in meditation but wont be getting much benefit from it. The time is not always equal = quality / effeciency. 

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5 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Meditation without slight movement, when you get in touch with principles of earth are very cool.

Sometimes even sitting in a crowded city you get lost, and feel yourself on top of the mountain.

 

 

I´ve read about some widely respected teachers who recommend "meditation without slight movement" and have always been intrigued by this idea.  Does movement dissipate energy that would otherwise build in stillness?  I´d be interested if people have experience/knowledge to share about the benefits of meditating without even slight movement.

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7 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

Does movement dissipate energy that would otherwise build in stillness?  I´d be interested if people have experience/knowledge to share about the benefits of meditating without even slight movement.

 

It builds up a certain condition of mind that is able to touch qi of earth.

 

Like if you close your eyes and be still absolutely for 15 mins or more, you may escape the physical body and go explore spirit planes.

 

It is more about getting disconnected from physical body to increase your connection with energy bodies.

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1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I´ve read about some widely respected teachers who recommend "meditation without slight movement" and have always been intrigued by this idea.  Does movement dissipate energy that would otherwise build in stillness?  I´d be interested if people have experience/knowledge to share about the benefits of meditating without even slight movement.

 

I have a slightly different approach in our tradition and will edit that into a response here later.

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2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

 I´d be interested if people have experience/knowledge to share about the benefits of meditating without even slight movement.

The secret about no movement is based on complementary opposites.

So for males in full lotus - the left leg is yang and so should be on top or "embrace" the yin lower body. Then as the image of John Chang shows - his right hand is on top and left is below the navel. So the yang left hand is against the yin lower body and yin right hand is against the yang upper body.

 

Same with Yiquan - the Western teachers tell people to stand without moving but don't tell the Westerners the secret of why the energy builds up without moving! The right hand is to be visualized as connecting with the left foot and the left hand with the right foot.

 

 

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3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

I am gonna go pay myself a 20$ to do a 4hour full lotus meditation :P

 

Yes Chunyi said that 1 hour of full lotus meditation equals 4 hours of any other type of meditation. So if you can do 1 hour of nonstop full lotus meditation then that would be the same as sitting in a chair meditating for 4 hours. So then if it is $20 for 1 hour - that would be $20 for 4 hours of sitting in a chair or $5 for 1 hour of sitting in a chair. haha.

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On 3/31/2019 at 10:35 AM, pegasus1992 said:

Chang has more credibility than any publicly known master to date (Wang Liping might be on par, but I've only heard stories)...So to call him a fake...you are either (A) A Liar (B) Have substantial evidence to prove it (need i remind you of all the testimony, of which you would need even more of the refute those claims)

 

Im gonna go with A...and I could literally care less how much experience you have....theres too much evidence to suggest that Chang is authentic...one need only read damo mitchells last book to realize he literally laid out level 1 of mo pai, and confirmed further things about the later levels....three decades after chang did the first public demo

 

Please, feel free to tell us all about how great you and your system are in this thread:

 

 

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12 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

Yes Chunyi said that 1 hour of full lotus meditation equals 4 hours of any other type of meditation. So if you can do 1 hour of nonstop full lotus meditation then that would be the same as sitting in a chair meditating for 4 hour

 

So after sitting in full lotus quiet alot yesterday,

I get cold needles shooting in my legs upon walking today,

do you know anth about this

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1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

 

Please, feel free to tell us all about how great you and your system are in this thread:

 

 

Any kind of neigong training is dangerous, when energies get strong they can possibly do alot of internal damage

 

You can only cut tomatoes with sharp knife,

I bet mopai is perfectly safe if one would study with Chang personally, 

As he would be able to open / remove any qi blockage by needles or treatment when it is required.

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6 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

So after sitting in full lotus quiet alot yesterday,

I get cold needles shooting in my legs upon walking today,

do you know anth about this

Pressure damage to nerves due to trying to hard? 

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17 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

Pressure damage to nerves due to trying to hard? 

 

Might be, I know hot needles is a sign of blood vessels constriction opening, its good and happens during practice.

Cold needles first time.

 

The question is should I continue or give it a rest for few days.

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10 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

The question is should I continue or give it a rest for few days.

It's a make or breake situation. 

Either you make it, or you breake. 

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16 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I´ve read about some widely respected teachers who recommend "meditation without slight movement" and have always been intrigued by this idea.  Does movement dissipate energy that would otherwise build in stillness?  I´d be interested if people have experience/knowledge to share about the benefits of meditating without even slight movement.

 

So a few things: first, in the beginning, trying to remain still in Zhan Zhuang or seated meditation will be very difficult for most people. Perfect stillness isn't likely from day one and takes years of practice to achieve, as the body is removing physical, emotional, and mental tensions. 

 

FORCING stillness is not recommended in our school. This creates more tension. A few movements may erupt sporadically and involuntarily, and ideally, you minimize them, but don't deny them either. Eventually, they will stop on their own and it becomes much more natural to be still to the point that only a serious practitioner will understand when I say that you appear to be completely still even when your body is moving, such as when you are out walking and not even practicing directly

 

The caveat to this is to have the right meditation style for you and the proper guidance into it and through it. Otherwise, it's hard to make those adjustments as you go along and measure your progress. 

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22 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

 Eventually, they will stop on their own and it becomes much more natural to be still to the point that only a serious practitioner will understand when I say that you appear to be completely still even when your body is moving, such as when you are out walking and not even practicing directly

 

 

I recently participated in a Bon meditation workshop online with TWR.  One of the practices taught was to meditate on stillness.  Your post reminds me of what TWR called the stillness of being  -- a stillness that is not dependent on an absence of movement.

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2 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

So after sitting in full lotus quiet alot yesterday,

I get cold needles shooting in my legs upon walking today,

do you know anth about this

So Chunyi says how when the legs are numb that means the qi energy is in the upper body. Then as the qi cycles back down it opens up the leg channels again. So for me - if I go out of full lotus BEFORE the leg channels get open up again - then my legs can have that tingling numbness. But if I stay in full lotus longer - then the leg channels open up again.

 

So other teachers say - yes the point of full lotus is to close off the leg channels so that the qi of the legs then opens up the upper body. But as John Chang emphasizes - you take in the energy of the Earth as yin qi - this in Earthing is known to cause internal tingling also. That is the negative ions neutralizing free radicals inside the body (like as caused by sugar). So free radicals from sugar cause inflammation of the nerves - as increased sympathetic nervous system cortisol spikes

 

So as you go deep into the tingling - this is actually the deeper Parasympathetic vagus nerve energy that is storing up the energy into the body as yuan qi. And so as Master Nan, Huai-chin states - then the orgasmic energy gets stronger and the bliss and joy gets stronger then the more full lotus meditation you go into.

 

So I describe this a bit from the 49 day full lotus cave meditation - in the training manual I have linked below - at Mt. Qingcheng. This is what the traditional Daoist alchemy training is that Chunyi did. Also http://qigongmaster.com does this training.

 

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21 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

I´ve read about some widely respected teachers who recommend "meditation without slight movement" and have always been intrigued by this idea.  Does movement dissipate energy that would otherwise build in stillness?  I´d be interested if people have experience/knowledge to share about the benefits of meditating without even slight movement.

 

It really depends on what that is in reference to.

 

One teaching is the gap between thoughts. That leads to quite mind which is an expansive no movement experience.

 

Another example that I thought was much more powerful and was taught to me as part of a Mahamudra empowerment was the mind during mindfulness.

 

With mindfulness we observe our thoughts . 

 

Now to explain this I will use a common experience in meditation using the breath. We focus on the breath but the mind will all of a sudden take over and we will find ourselves lost in some thought or daydream.

 

The mind is taking over, it wants to be active. I will repeat that last part the mind wants to be active.

 

With mindfulness while we might be observing, the mind is focusing, being active, noticing every thought that arises. A thought arises and the mind is drawn to that thought. It becomes active to notice the thoughts. Your movement.

 

The next step is to be like the sky, to let whatever arises, arise without the mind taking over to notice, to focus, to engage in whatever thought is passing through.

 

That to me is meditation without the slightest movement.

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22 hours ago, Kar3n said:

Not convinced.

 

I've read the script too many times to not recognize it when I see it.

 

I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

 

I could literally care less, the only thing I've ever known about any form of  "Western Mo Pai"  has come from this website. I have no contact, interaction or affiliation with any of those people, and I do not endorse it.

 

You are most welcome to ask them if you wish

 

You clearly have not read this script, and actually, you've failed miserably to interpret anything I've written

 

You may not have been born yesterday, but you'd do well to actually see my point, instead of attaching me , and therefore my beliefs to a splinter group of this website who I most certainly do not affiliate with

 

But do continue to accuse, Its quite a telling sign of ignorance and does reflect how some people can be inhospitable with no reason.

 

 

6 hours ago, Starjumper said:

 

Please, feel free to tell us all about how great you and your system are in this thread:

 

 

 

I am not great and I do not have a system

 

Do you actually think I disagree with anything you posted about "Western Mo Pai"? I do not...I do not condone partial methods and teachings  and never would? I am not great and I have no system.

 

A person on this thread called John Chang a fake and I called them to substantiate the claim, and they failed miserably.

 

THAT IS ALL...

 

I DID THE EXACT SAME THING WHEN SOMEONE CLAIMED SOTG WAS NOT AUTHENTIC...I CALLED THEM ON IT

 

I have no affiliation with them, their ideas, conceptual framework  or though process that because John Chang displayed abilities, he is the only one to do so. Quite the opposite in fact.

 

Are you trying to tell me that its a bad thing to identify Chang (Note how I am saying Chang) as authentic?

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37 minutes ago, pegasus1992 said:

THAT IS ALL...

 

Thank you for the clarification.  I do believe that Mr. Chang was quite advanced and just made a few mistakes.

 

Please pardon the intrusion, it was a misunderstanding resulting from the relentless onslaught of Western More Pai fanatics here.

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