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there's no real good way to phrase this, but I feel like if you are looking for someone else's version of immortality, you are attempting to serve. either the person or the idea. there is nothing wrong with this, and we are conditioned this way. however, it is only a reroute of the underlying drive that brought you there. you are wishing to stop conforming to one ego, and meld to another. you can lready do this on your own, and be more independent that way. that is why it is probably best to not read, not think much, and practice the basics. then you will find what you need, piece by piece. 

 

why take on more. if you found yourself complacent with what you know and feel now, you would have no reason to look for more. since you do, have reason to be moved, there is something amiss in your current frame of mind. only you can fix that. in fixing it, you will find what you are looking for. 

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there are only so many ways to think and breath and see.

 

there are many more to distract yourself. 

 

which do you think is more damaging. not knowing, or self-distracting.

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1 hour ago, Sinai said:

 

Prof Jerry Alan Johnson's bookstore is fascinating and similars with master's Chia in some topics

True, does that mean Chia's material originated with the Celestial Masters? 

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11 minutes ago, Abzu said:

there's no real good way to phrase this, but I feel like if you are looking for someone else's version of immortality, you are attempting to serve. either the person or the idea. there is nothing wrong with this, and we are conditioned this way. however, it is only a reroute of the underlying drive that brought you there. you are wishing to stop conforming to one ego, and meld to another. you can lready do this on your own, and be more independent that way. that is why it is probably best to not read, not think much, and practice the basics. then you will find what you need, piece by piece. 

 

why take on more. if you found yourself complacent with what you know and feel now, you would have no reason to look for more. since you do, have reason to be moved, there is something amiss in your current frame of mind. only you can fix that. in fixing it, you will find what you are looking for. 

 

Dear Abzu i have no prejudice or bias about any system i just asked about some techniques and OK i found that those are the techniques which i don't know their real traditional name ... those basics which you mentioned must be somewhere and believe me I've read enough of encyclopedia or books to understand this ... thanks for the help but the main topic reason here is to share not confusing each other and remove obstacles and fake paths so we can reach our goal which all you dear good friends are doing so believe me everyone find the path if we continue to share everything we know ... nice friends and community :D

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4 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

True, does that mean Chia's material originated with the Celestial Masters? 

 

no no it means they have originated from same source that's what is i am talking about ... the microcosmic orbit and Macrocosmic orbit are foundations for other practices maybe further you will find some practices with a little differ name but nearly the same in procedure and origin

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12 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

Dear Abzu i have no prejudice or bias about any system i just asked about some techniques and OK i found that those are the techniques which i don't know their real traditional name ... those basics which you mentioned must be somewhere and believe me I've read enough of encyclopedia or books to understand this ... thanks for the help but the main topic reason here is to share not confusing each other and remove obstacles and fake paths so we can reach our goal which all you dear good friends are doing so believe me everyone find the path if we continue to share everything we know ... nice friends and community :D

you miss my point. the things that are hidden are probably not able to be translated orally or written, because they are specific to the practitioners body. 

 

the things that aren't, everyone knows.

 

mulha locks, holding the diaghram down, non-thought, relaxing in the dantian, allowing a microcosmic orbit. everyone does these things. 

 

I suspect, because I am the same way, your body wants to do things, and you are suppressing it

 

no practice will stop you from being a burden to your self. the body already knows how it works.

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16 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

Dear Abzu i have no prejudice or bias about any system i just asked about some techniques and OK i found that those are the techniques which i don't know their real traditional names ... those basics which you mentioned must be somewhere and believe me I've read enough of encyclopedia or books to understand this ... thanks for help but the main topic reason here is to share not confusing each other and remove obstacles and fake paths so we can reach our goal

rather, the source you are expecting to come to you delivering this information, is the being inside of you you are currently staring at 

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you miss my point. the things that are hidden are probably not able to be translated orally or written, because they are specific to the practitioners body. 

 

the things that aren't, everyone knows.

 

mulha locks, holding the diaghram down, non-thought, relaxing in the dantian, allowing a microcosmic orbit. everyone does these things. 

 

I suspect, because I am the same way, your body wants to do things, and you are suppressing it

 

right i agree many masters even who are using martial arts or Qi gong told me that ... yes every body has their own needs which must be taken care with proper practices and exercises ... like mantras which should be taken from a guru by practitioner ... yes these are details that we must be aware of them

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look

 

cook the egg, let it set, be the egg 

 

the shell is destroyed

 

I have chanted mantras just to see why I felt weird about chanting them. a great practice, but, it is a trick, to distract one part of the mind, so that the other may take over, as all things are 

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1 minute ago, Abzu said:

rather, the source you are expecting to come to you delivering this information, is the being inside of you you are currently staring at 

 

yes yes Dear Abzu thanks you very much , you are right and i am thoroughly aware of it ... As below, So above ...yes and Rumi poems ...

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32 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

if we continue to share everything we know ... nice friends and community :D

That will not happen. 

Look back at all previous nei dan threads on TDB. 

 

Insults shared. 

Plattitudes shared. 

Methods? 

Nah. 

 

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1 minute ago, Mudfoot said:

That will not happen. 

Look back at all previous nei dan threads on TDB. 

 

Insults shared. 

Plattitudes shared. 

Methods? 

Nah. 

 

 

Oh man :(:unsure:

it shouldn't be suppose like this... OK then so i will be the first here to share methods ... feel free to ask me or PM me if you need more details or anything else ...

i got depression .. all chakras crashed :blink:

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it isn't even what to do as much as it is doing it.

 

start breathing right,NOW, you know how.

don't be needy with your energy. 

don't be needy with your thoughts.

 

any one technique will become THE technique with time 

the body is smarter than the one thing you tune in to 

11 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

Oh man :(:unsure:

it shouldn't be suppose like this... OK then so i will be the first here to share methods ... feel free to ask me or PM me if you need more details or anything else ...

i got depression .. all chakras crashed :blink:

 

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9 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

Oh man :(:unsure:

it shouldn't be suppose like this... OK then so i will be the first here to share methods ... feel free to ask me or PM me if you need more details or anything else ...

i got depression .. all chakras crashed :blink:

That's ok, you'll get used to it. 

 

Most already have the books, many also have methods, quite a few have methods learned from teachers. 

Some will claim that you don't need a teacher if you have the right book, others will claim that without the proper transmission you will fail. 

 

Quite a mess actually 😁

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4 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

That will not happen. 

Look back at all previous nei dan threads on TDB. 

 

Insults shared. 

Plattitudes shared. 

Methods? 

Nah. 

 

 

OK for the first technique to share anyone with Prof johnson's method follow this method :

 

If I were to suggest anywhere to start with this system - I would suggest finding a copy of Prof. Johnson's Neigong and Alchemy Book. For that stuff to be possible you have to train the foundation first

 

-The first reading that you want to do is from the beginning up until the end of the 18 rules of posture. 
-When you get through that, you are going to want to start with the "Old Man in Tidepool Exercise"
-You will make this the main practice for some time, purifying the organs, channels, and emotions.
-As the Body/Energy/Mind empties out and becomes clean, you will practice the 1-10 meditation. This is also in the recent editions of this very same Neigong book.
-This 1-10 practice is very very very powerful and connects your system to heaven and earth. You will make this the main practice for some time to develop good energy skill and maintain attention in the present moment and with a open flow of higher creative energy coming through you. ( take it really seriously )
-Next you will want to train the Daoist 5 Qigong (which Prof. Johnson has in the same book, but also had recorded as a "qigong workout empowerment" dvd back in the 90s.) 
-This should be enough to get you going.. .what comes next is the beating and drumming and the celibacy practices.

- Start with the 1-10 and 3 Invocations, 100 day Celibacy practice, and twice daily beating a drumming the Qi practice

 

others with master chia system :
- start with simple chi kung exercises
- then do Inner Smile and Cosmic Healing sounds ( which is similar to 18 rules of posture not in practices but in results which makes the organs channels and emotions clean and healed
- then go microcosmic orbit and macrocosmic orbit
in JAJ in celestial clouds system it is like :
Lower Dantian Training -> Microcosmic Orbit -> Macrocosmic Orbit -> Fusion of the Bagua -> Cycling the Five -> Microcosmic Orbit Water -> Microcosmic Orbit Wind Cycle Training Progression
in master chia's UHT it is like :
simple chikung --> inner smile --> six healing sounds --> microcosmic and macrocosmic orbit --> Fusion of 5 elements --> Cosmic Fusion --> fusion of 8 psychic channels ( which all these 3 are similar to Fusion of Bagua ) --> lesser Kan & Li --> Practice of Greater Kan & Li --> Greatest Kan & Li --> Sealing of 5 senses --> congress of heaven and earth ( reunion of Kan and Kun ) --> Reunion of heaven and earth:D
OK i am waiting about your desires:wub:

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1 minute ago, Mudfoot said:

That's OK, you'll get used to it. 

 

Most already have the books, many also have methods, quite a few have methods learned from teachers. 

Some will claim that you don't need a teacher if you have the right book, others will claim that without the proper transmission you will fail. 

 

Quite a mess actually 😁

 

unfortunately due to some reasons i have no access to JAJ alchemy and Neigong book and i am not able to get it in any way ... but i share what ever i know

you may check this you certainly will be happy to see it :
https://daoist.academy/baguaonline/

 

I can't access to JAJ materials due to sanctions in my country for international cards and banks transactions ... so by the way despite i know no one helps me ^_^ like my past 11 years or even when i was high school student , still i am here to help you ...comment or PM if you need anything

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4 minutes ago, Sinai said:
Lower Dantian Training -> Microcosmic Orbit -> Macrocosmic Orbit -> Fusion of the Bagua -> Cycling the Five -> Microcosmic Orbit Water -> Microcosmic Orbit Wind Cycle Training Progression
in master chia's UHT it is like :
simple chikung --> inner smile --> six healing sounds --> microcosmic and macrocosmic orbit --> Fusion of 5 elements --> Cosmic Fusion --> fusion of 8 psychic channels ( which all these 3 are similar to Fusion of Bagua ) --> lesser Kan & Li --> Practice of Greater Kan & Li --> Greatest Kan & Li --> Sealing of 5 senses --> congress of heaven and earth ( reunion of Kan and Kun ) --> Reunion of heaven and earth

 

All I am seeing in modern books so far stops at Fire/Water basics.

 

It is clear that the writers have not even fully work this stage.

 

People eating refined modern foods and drinking fluoride water and ever taking antobiotics or chemical and hormone medications cannot even understand or do Iron Shirt.

 

Marrow Washing will be disturbed - not possible.

 

Where to go from that?

 

Learn Chang Ming Shu, learn to discern what build and what destructs Body, and then study Iron Shirt again.

 

No normal body functioning means no Iron Shirt and no Marrow Washing and means no going anywhere further.

 

Good traditional Gongfu has all basics and Iron Shirt - so start there is okay.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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44 minutes ago, Mudfoot said:

Insults shared. 

Plattitudes shared. 

Methods? 

Nah. 

 

That is unsuprisingly.

Insults are free to produce, and knowledge / methods could only be hard earned.

Sometimes you have to make countless errors, and go through life and death experience to learn the truth.

In sects / clans / orders there usually exist contribution system for knowledge / method / resources exchange.

I.e. you have to contribute yourself before acquiring anything of value.

 

Anyway, people with knowledge and abilities on this forum, even if they try to say nothing of methods, are like gold goblins in game, everywhere they run, they drop a coin or a piece of wisdom.

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2 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

unfortunately due to some reasons i have no access to JAJ alchemy and Neigong book and i am not able to get it in any way ... 

It is very full with examples of techniques. 

Confusingly full. 

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18 minutes ago, Sinai said:

 

100 day Celibacy practice,

Have you gone through the threads about this, in Fuxi? 

 

They are a delight, and some of them are classic Nei Dan threads. 

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1 minute ago, Mudfoot said:

Have you gone through the threads about this, in Fuxi? 

 

They are a delight, and some of them are classic Nei Dan threads. 

 

Unfortuantely dear friedn no , i am not aware of it you must seek a teacher and Prof Johnson's book Alchemy and neigong book , i got them from a disciple of Prof JAJ ... i cant guide you in this ... but many ahve the books and training you may ask them ....^_^

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5 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

 

All I am seeing in modern books so far stops at Fire/Water basics.

 

It is clear that the writers have not even fully work this stage.

 

People eating refined modern foods and drinking fluoride water and ever taking antobiotics or chemical and hormone medications cannot even understand or do Iron Shirt.

 

Marrow Washing will be disturbed - not possible.

 

Where to go from that?

 

Learn Chang Ming Shu, learn to discern what build and what destructs Body, and then study Iron Shirt again.

 

No normal body functioning means no Iron Shirt and no Marrow Washing and means no going anywhere further.

 

Good traditional Gongfu has all basics and Iron Shirt - so start there is okay.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

Thank you so much dear Master VonKrankenhaus for your help

yes those procedures are aonly for beginning , tomorrow i will post the master Chia's guideline thoroughly ... but JAJ system it is yes incomplete also ...

13 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

It is clear that the writers have not even fully work this stage.

 

well that's my fault :D , i will post the UHT guideline tomorrow for sure ...

 

14 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

People eating refined modern foods and drinking fluoride water and ever taking antobiotics or chemical and hormone medications cannot even understand or do Iron Shirt.

 

Marrow Washing will be disturbed - not possible.

 

yes it also calcify Pineal gland and we must de-calcify it also

15 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

Learn Chang Ming Shu

 

how dear master ? from which resource ? i don't see any traditional kung fu schools here in my city or country ... unfortunately please guide me dear master .... which resources or books would you suggest and recommend ?

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Oh, I have to say one thing, it is clearly impossible to write advanced practice into books, as they are advanced.


You can write practice like 

1. do this

2. do that

3. do this

4. tighten your butt (c) Mantak Chia

5. do that

 

But, advanced level practice has no logic, no actions to do, nor they could be understood by linear mind.

How would you explain something in words, that is out of this world.

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Fuxi is in the Garden, on this forum. 

 

I am one of the arrogant bastards here that already have a method, so I am content with that. 

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3 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

Oh, I have to say one thing, it is clearly impossible to write advanced practice into books, as they are advanced.


You can write practice like 

1. do this

2. do that

3. do this

4. tighten your butt (c) Mantak Chia

5. do that

 

But, advanced level practice has no logic, no actions to do, nor they could be understood by linear mind.

How would you explain something in words, that is out of this world.

 

i can i can:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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