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8 hours ago, voidisyinyang said:

Wang Li Ping, who is a master of the Yang Shen Dao as well as the other five lines, wont even consider a student

 

I like these stories, but there is no foundation. May be he also breathes fire and walks 10cm above earth? Could you find just one recording of his ability? He must have shown something on his seminar? Ever?

 

I heard he takes everyone as student, as long as they pay 5000$ for 5 day seminar, and come in bulk. The more the better, 100 students? perfect income.

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36 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 I will quickly add you into ignore list to avoid future miscommunication.

I am sorry but when discussing anything like qi / selfdevelopment, ability to see qi is essential.

 

No it's not.

As for putting me on ignore, I couldn't care less. This means you believe you are right and refuse to enter any civilised debate.

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6 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

enter any civilised debate.

 

I dont mind discussion but you need to be qualified for it. I am not gonna spend rest of my life trying to prove that Qi exists to someone who is unable to see It.

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4 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

I dont mind discussion but you need to be qualified for it. I am not gonna spend rest of my life trying to prove that Qi exists to someone who is unable to see It.

 

I never said qi didn't exist, ever. I said you can't physically see it, only it's effects.

Qi is NOT physical. 

I came to the conclusion over 20 years ago that Qi is mind.

Anyway I thought you'd put me on ignore ?

 

 

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On 26.03.2019 at 4:22 AM, Abzu said:

only good way to train the mind is to remove it. every thought that causes the body to suffer.

 

Thoughts also exist as a matter infact, a matter that is being created in a mental body. It could be even possible to see thoughts and tap on it, to manipulate thoughts or inject the thoughts you want into a brain of unsuspecting individual.


Also, this is getting closer and closer to God's abilities, the only who can manipulate thinking could manipulate everything.

Human being's make decisions based on thoughts in their head. Control this and you control the whole world.

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5 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

I said you can't physically see it

 

I can see it physically, and most people I trained with can too. 

There are living beings made of energy you could see them too.

There are spirit planes made fully of energy. So yes, energy is Physical.

Anyone who denies it, has not enough experience with it.

 

7 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

over 20 years ago that Qi

 

Years of practice dont make your opinion or conclusion right.

Btw, I have more than 1000 years of practice experience.

I was practicing back into 9th century, and even before jesus christ was born.

 

6 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

Anyway I thought you'd put me on ignore ?

 

I did, but there are still notifications, when you quote my posts. 

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17 hours ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

 

Damo Mitchell books are inaccurate about Taoism.

 

Did anyone here ever study Taoism? 

 

That's one source of Internal Cultivation, so worth looking at.

 

And "Chang" - is a street-performer guy in a video/film that uses these:

https://www.amazon.com/Copernicus-Toys-Human-Powered-Light-Bulb/dp/B001EVK3F6

 

And stuff like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Dikley-Electric-Shocking-Handshake-Novelty/dp/B078NRPD66

 

 

And a fire stunt using Yellow Phosphorus and liquid Carbon Disulfide.

 

When the Carbon Disulfide evaporates, the Phosphorus ignites.

 

This trick is common street-performer stuff, as are all the ones in the video/film of "Chang".

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

Actually Substantiate what you are saying, or else stop claiming false nonsense

 

Chang has been verified...countless students...students of his students....he's been examined by a physicist and a medical doctor on camera in a  loosely quasi-experimental type manner. His own patients are the reason he was even found. His students have been recorded testing. And a new generation of teachings is coming to the forefront basically confirming everything he said as true

 

And what evidence have you?? Idiots posting videos online in an attempt to discredit a person WHO NEVER WANTED any publicity, money or fame because their mind is unopen and stuck in a westernized materialistic reductionist paradigm that dies by the day

 

2 hours ago, lifeforce said:

 

Oh, a picture of an asain man sitting meditating. This proves nothing. Parlour tricks and fanciful claims to sell books and send people on wild goose chases around Indonesia.

 

Wild goose chases?? scores of people have been to see Chang. What planet do you live on?

 There was no fanciful claims....there is plenty of evidence on the video and testimony

 

And you have?? As the person above does...absolutely nothing

 

But heres an idea...seek him out...his address is online so it will save you the countless hours it took the others.

 

But you wont...you'll sit there in your chair...regurgitating unsubstantiated nonsense just like the other individual.

3 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

 

No it's not.

As for putting me on ignore, I couldn't care less. This means you believe you are right and refuse to enter any civilised debate.

 

There is no debate here

 

Have you been to see Chang? have you tested him? have you experienced what the others have?

 

The answer to all 3 is most likely no...therefore you're unqualified to form any worthwhile opinion of what he is doing, unless it is based on the testimony of others....and because you literally ignore that....your opinion is  actually based off of nothing

 

No evidence

No experience

No understanding

 

So wheres the debate to be had?

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7 minutes ago, pegasus1992 said:

So wheres the debate to be had?

 

I would like to see these people say this to chang personally, in close range.


That he is a fire tricker, clown, and focus shower.

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1 minute ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

Actually Substantiate what you are saying, or else stop claiming false nonsense

 

Chang has been verified...countless students...students of his students....he's been examined by a physicist and a medical doctor on camera in a  loosely quasi-experimental type manner. His own patients are the reason he was even found. His students have been recorded testing. And a new generation of teachings is coming to the forefront basically confirming everything he said as true

 

And what evidence have you?? Idiots posting videos online in an attempt to discredit a person WHO NEVER WANTED any publicity, money or fame because their mind is unopen and stuck in a westernized materialistic reductionist paradigm that dies by the day

 

 

Wild goose chases?? scores of people have been to see Chang. What planet do you live on?

 There was no fanciful claims....there is plenty of evidence on the video and testimony

 

And you have?? As the person above does...absolutely nothing

 

But heres an idea...seek him out...his address is online so it will save you the countless hours it took the others.

 

But you wont...you'll sit there in your chair...regurgitating unsubstantiated nonsense just like the other individual.

 

There is no debate here

 

Have you been to see Chang? have you tested him? have you experienced what the others have?

 

The answer to all 3 is most likely no...therefore you're unqualified to form any worthwhile opinion of what he is doing, unless it is based on the testimony of others....and because you literally ignore that....your opinion is  actually based off of nothing

 

No evidence

No experience

No understanding

 

So wheres the debate to be had?

 

I suppose you have been to see John Chang ? Probably not.

Why would I want to seek him out ? I have no interest in chasing around the world looking for someone who may or may not exist.

As for plenty of evidence/testimony, anyone can say anything, doesn't mean it's true. Maybe there was an agenda in the first place.

Where is YOUR evidence, not 3rd party myths either. YOURS.

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3 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

I would like to see these people say this to chang personally, in close range.


That he is a fire tricker, clown, and focus shower.

 

Gullible hero-worship of a trickster and fraudster.

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5 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

I would like to see these people say this to chang personally, in close range.


That he is a fire tricker, clown, and focus shower.

 

I would also, but that wont happen.

 

2 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

 

I suppose you have been to see John Chang ? Probably not.

Why would I want to seek him out ? I have no interest in chasing around the world looking for someone who may or may not exist.

As for plenty of evidence/testimony, anyone can say anything, doesn't mean it's true. Maybe there was an agenda in the first place.

Where is YOUR evidence, not 3rd party myths either. YOURS.

 

I do not need to because I am making no claims about him, I am only referring to the testimony of those that have

 

And as for myths...

 

We have

 

A very famous anthropologist, who was well known long before he ever encountered Chang

A medical doctor

A physicist (Who is actually on Linkedin....feel free to contact him)

The former CEO of the Mind Science Foundation (Also a publised author and most certainly does exist)

Kostas Danoas (Books, and countless interviews)

Jim McMillan (Who is on video with Chang twice, also has pictures..book..interviews..and leaked the teachings)

mjjbecker (Member on here)

Andreas

Seandenty (Former member)

David Verdesi (Who brought people to see him, WHO HAD HIS OWN HIDDEN AGENDA)

 

There are but a few names, all of which who have given evidence or detailed accounts of their interactions with this man

 

But you are suggesting they are all liars? or in some kind of conspiracy together

 

What about all the people in the pictures with Chang?

 

tumblr_l4ygh95lch1qzguyn.jpg?resize=500,

 

All Liars too??? and i guess the picture is photo-shopped?

 

Please stop embarrassing yourself now...... there's no need for it

 

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This is my final post on the matter.

I've got better things to do than to argue with random people on an internet forum.

From the words of the Buddha:

 

 

Kalama Sutta

The people of Kalama asked the Buddha who to believe out of all the ascetics, sages, venerables, and holy ones who, like himself, passed through their town. They complained that they were confused by the many contradictions they discovered in what they heard. The Kalama Sutta is the Buddha's reply.

–Do not believe anything on mere hearsay.

–Do not believe in traditions merely because they are old and have been handed down for many generations and in many places.

–Do not believe anything on account of rumors or because people talk a a great deal about it.

–Do not believe anything because you are shown the written testimony of some ancient sage.

–Do not believe in what you have fancied, thinking that, because it is extraordinary, it must have been inspired by a god or other wonderful being. 

–Do not believe anything merely because presumption is in its favor, or because the custom of many years inclines you to take it as true.

–Do not believe anything merely on the authority of your teachers and priests.

–But, whatever, after thorough investigation and reflection, you find to agree with reason and experience, as conducive to the good and benefit of one and all and of the world at large, accept only that as true, and shape your life in accordance with it.

The same text, said the Buddha, must be applied to his own teachings.

–Do not accept any doctrine from reverence, but first try it as gold is tried by fire.

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3 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

This is my final post on the matter.

I've got better things to do than to argue with random people on an internet forum.

From the words of the Buddha:

 

 

Kalama Sutta

The people of Kalama asked the Buddha who to believe out of all the ascetics, sages, venerables, and holy ones who, like himself, passed through their town. They complained that they were confused by the many contradictions they discovered in what they heard. The Kalama Sutta is the Buddha's reply.

–Do not believe anything on mere hearsay.

–Do not believe in traditions merely because they are old and have been handed down for many generations and in many places.

–Do not believe anything on account of rumors or because people talk a a great deal about it.

–Do not believe anything because you are shown the written testimony of some ancient sage.

–Do not believe in what you have fancied, thinking that, because it is extraordinary, it must have been inspired by a god or other wonderful being. 

–Do not believe anything merely because presumption is in its favor, or because the custom of many years inclines you to take it as true.

–Do not believe anything merely on the authority of your teachers and priests.

–But, whatever, after thorough investigation and reflection, you find to agree with reason and experience, as conducive to the good and benefit of one and all and of the world at large, accept only that as true, and shape your life in accordance with it.

The same text, said the Buddha, must be applied to his own teachings.

–Do not accept any doctrine from reverence, but first try it as gold is tried by fire.

 

 Im not even  a little surprised you cannot substantiate anything that you have said :rolleyes:

 

And a very poor attempt to avoid the question

 

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13 minutes ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

I would also, but that wont happen.

 

 

I do not need to because I am making no claims about him, I am only referring to the testimony of those that have

 

And as for myths...

 

We have

 

A very famous anthropologist, who was well known long before he ever encountered Chang

A medical doctor

A physicist (Who is actually on Linkedin....feel free to contact him)

The former CEO of the Mind Science Foundation (Also a publised author and most certainly does exist)

Kostas Danoas (Books, and countless interviews)

Jim McMillan (Who is on video with Chang twice, also has pictures..book..interviews..and leaked the teachings)

mjjbecker (Member on here)

Andreas

Seandenty (Former member)

David Verdesi (Who brought people to see him, WHO HAD HIS OWN HIDDEN AGENDA)

 

There are but a few names, all of which who have given evidence or detailed accounts of their interactions with this man

 

But you are suggesting they are all liars? or in some kind of conspiracy together

 

What about all the people in the pictures with Chang?

 

tumblr_l4ygh95lch1qzguyn.jpg?resize=500,

 

All Liars too??? and i guess the picture is photo-shopped?

 

Please stop embarrassing yourself now...... there's no need for it

 

Oh great, another more pie jihadist!

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3 minutes ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

 Im not even  a little surprised you cannot substantiate anything that you have said :rolleyes:

 

And a very poor attempt to avoid the question

 

2/10

I actually posted this before I read your question.

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15 minutes ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

I would also, but that wont happen.

 

 

I do not need to because I am making no claims about him, I am only referring to the testimony of those that have

 

And as for myths...

 

We have

 

A very famous anthropologist, who was well known long before he ever encountered Chang

A medical doctor

A physicist (Who is actually on Linkedin....feel free to contact him)

The former CEO of the Mind Science Foundation (Also a publised author and most certainly does exist)

Kostas Danoas (Books, and countless interviews)

Jim McMillan (Who is on video with Chang twice, also has pictures..book..interviews..and leaked the teachings)

mjjbecker (Member on here)

Andreas

Seandenty (Former member)

David Verdesi (Who brought people to see him, WHO HAD HIS OWN HIDDEN AGENDA)

 

There are but a few names, all of which who have given evidence or detailed accounts of their interactions with this man

 

But you are suggesting they are all liars? or in some kind of conspiracy together

 

What about all the people in the pictures with Chang?

 

tumblr_l4ygh95lch1qzguyn.jpg?resize=500,

 

All Liars too??? and i guess the picture is photo-shopped?

 

Please stop embarrassing yourself now...... there's no need for it

 

 

I also haven't made any claims about JC.

I just don't believe all the myth and fantasy surrounding the whole issue.

That photo is of Kosta with JC and others. Remember Kosta wrote the book which gullible westerners believed, which resulted in wild goose chases around the Indonesian sub-continent. Looking for a man who survives 90 mph car crashes with his chi power and sets pieces of paper on fire with his mind. 

I'm outta here.

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10 minutes ago, Kar3n said:

Oh great, another more pie jihadist!

 

Umm no?  I am talking we, as in the public....thank you for assuming

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3 hours ago, lifeforce said:

 

Oh, a picture of an asain man sitting meditating. This proves nothing. Parlour tricks and fanciful claims to sell books and send people on wild goose chases around Indonesia.

 

13 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

 

I also haven't made any claims about JC.

I just don't believe all the myth and fantasy surrounding the whole issue.

That photo is of Kosta with JC and others. Remember Kosta wrote the book which gullible westerners believed, which resulted in wild goose chases around the Indonesian sub-continent. Looking for a man who survives 90 mph car crashes with his chi power and sets pieces of paper on fire with his mind. 

I'm outta here.

 

Actually you made a pretty bold claim

 

So now if you want to substantiate that....you must provide something of greater magnitude than what we already have

 

In other words, go find John Chang, test him and come back and prove it was all false

 

Otherwise, you're spouting unsubstantiated nonsense

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Well, this discussion has no point.

 

From logical standpoint, you could be sceptical of anything.

 

But Qi is limitless, everything is possible with it. Flying in air, teleportation, living without food, even transmigrating into another world or species, in case someone want to live as a lizard, not puny human.

 

Being limited and insulting everyone who has gone beyond human limits, not best way to spend time.

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1 hour ago, GSmaster said:

 

I like these stories, but there is no foundation. May be he also breathes fire and walks 10cm above earth? Could you find just one recording of his ability? He must have shown something on his seminar? Ever?

 

I heard he takes everyone as student, as long as they pay 5000$ for 5 day seminar, and come in bulk. The more the better, 100 students? perfect income.

 

Have you read "OPening the Dragon Gate" - Wang Liping was tied down to stay in full lotus for 4 hours without moving - of course his masters probably sent energy into him and Wang was only 9 years old at the time - so his channels would open up much more easily.

 

So as for your legs getting sore - yes this is just the initial channels opening up. So if your mind is strong enough then if you STAY in full lotus, as Master Nan, Huai-chin explains - then you get an internal orgasm and this clears out the energy channels. So in other words - the sympathetic nervous system is being pushed to the extreme and if your mind can handle the pain, then a dialectical OPPOSITE extreme of parasympathetic energy occurs to "store up" the charge.

 

So - for an experiment - I asked for $20 donations to do 8 hours of full lotus. So a person would donate $20 and I would sit full lotus for 8 hours in one day. Sometimes I took an hour break - but I noticed the hardest was on the knee channels opening up. So then it's good to mix in the standing exercises between the full lotus sessions.

 

After about 6 sessions of 8 hours of full lotus - alternating right and left legs on top - then I saw lots of bright blue purple light, etc. And people also reported feeling the energy - people would send me photos. Also I would get information healing signals - so I would tell people ideas to help them heal.

 

But even that is not the same as 4 hours of full lotus without moving. So as with Chunyi Lin - anyone can pay to attend the conferences and retreats - and the information is one thing - but being at that energy level is another. So to be a real student is only based on what the student is ready to receive.

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6 minutes ago, voidisyinyang said:

So as for your legs getting sore - yes this is just the initial channels opening up. So if your mind is strong enough then if you STAY in full lotus, as

 

So, I should stay in pain through will power,  and it will work through?

I get pain around ankles mostly.

 

This is interesting, i am going to try today.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

So, I should stay in pain through will power,  and it will work through?

I get pain around ankles mostly.

 

This is interesting, i am going to try today.

 

 

 

Master Nan, Huai-chin:

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The most difficult area to unblock is waist-down, to the toes. The two feet are especially difficult. Once unblocked, a sensation of comfort will come to the feet, followed by a joyous sensation. Sensation will gradually move from feet to brain, at which one experiences a huge ecstasy. In this case, the body is no longer an impediment....you will have a strong internal orgasm from your feet and legs upward to your waist and back, and even throughout your entire body. Rest assured. You would then not want to release your legs and stop your meditation prematurely."

https://terebess.hu/zen/mesterek/Tao-Longevity-by-Huai-Chin-Nan.pdf

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42 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

So, I should stay in pain through will power,  and it will work through?

I get pain around ankles mostly.

 

This is interesting, i am going to try today.

 

 

 

 

hmmm - although what voidisyinyang says may well be correct, the stronger effects he describes may well require a number of full days of meditation, rather then just extending one daily sitting.

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2 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

So, I should stay in pain through will power,  and it will work through?

I get pain around ankles mostly.

 

This is interesting, i am going to try today.

 

 

 

What I recommend is using the "small universe" meditation of http://springforestqigong.com as then you get cardiorespiratory synchronization (heart-mind and breathing) and then listening to music - the motivation is to keep going as the music keeps going.

So there is a one hour meditation - that's what I use.

As for the ankles - you just want to make sure to get the heels up on the thighs.

Then as the channels open up and the hips stretch out - especially the lower body - then you can get the feet farther up on the thighs.

So the photo of me in full lotus is from when I was doing those 8 hours sessions!

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So if people want to donate to me again - then I will do 4 hours of full lotus meditation nonstop for $20 per donation.

You can email me at ecoechocultivation@ g ma il

or just send a donation to

http://paypal.me/ecoechocultivation

and if you email me and send a donation - then you can email a photo if you want.

So then I can visualize energy into the photo as I meditate.

 

thanks

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4 hours ago, pegasus1992 said:

 

Actually Substantiate what you are saying, or else stop claiming false nonsense

 

Chang has been verified...countless students...students of his students....he's been examined by a physicist and a medical doctor on camera in a  loosely quasi-experimental type manner. His own patients are the reason he was even found. His students have been recorded testing. And a new generation of teachings is coming to the forefront basically confirming everything he said as true

 

And what evidence have you?? Idiots posting videos online in an attempt to discredit a person WHO NEVER WANTED any publicity, money or fame because their mind is unopen and stuck in a westernized materialistic reductionist paradigm that dies by the day

 

 

Wild goose chases?? scores of people have been to see Chang. What planet do you live on?

 There was no fanciful claims....there is plenty of evidence on the video and testimony

 

And you have?? As the person above does...absolutely nothing

 

But heres an idea...seek him out...his address is online so it will save you the countless hours it took the others.

 

But you wont...you'll sit there in your chair...regurgitating unsubstantiated nonsense just like the other individual.

 

There is no debate here

 

Have you been to see Chang? have you tested him? have you experienced what the others have?

 

The answer to all 3 is most likely no...therefore you're unqualified to form any worthwhile opinion of what he is doing, unless it is based on the testimony of others....and because you literally ignore that....your opinion is  actually based off of nothing

 

No evidence

No experience

No understanding

 

So wheres the debate to be had?

 

Jesus fucking Christ!

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