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  1. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Actually those look pretty goodn meaty.. But , I got a Publix rotisserie chicken n finished cooking it , and that was nice and easy, so I think I will incorporate those instead. I'm tired of cutting my own up and having the remnants in the garbage disposal.
  2. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    That's crazy about the rats, if they had pigs they could eat those, letting rats loose, would turn all the lovely islands they visited , intorat infested places you don't want to be! I thought the rats were accidental.
  3. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    I do! Really like that stickmap, they should sell em. But the techniques like this really don't seem long reaching enough. I recently saw a clip of an islander doing much the same, looking at stars ,counting logs, and it's just so incredible,,, however,, if discovery boils down to getting lost all the time, I could do that. 😁 So far we know that an Atlantean got lost and eventually found Greece. We don't know if he ate his slaves. Do your buddies make cast nets by any chance?...... Why would one stock rats?
  4. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    I am open to being convinced. What's the advanced tech? The outrigger? Or perhaps dead reckoning by the stars? What's "coordinated marine voyaging?" As opposed to, marine voyaging? What's advanced trading in obsidian? I give you rock, you hand over wife!😉 There's always the holy crap event. And that's when a dude says, Holy crap, I can't see land anymore! If the Atlanteans had battleships, how could they stumble over the proto Athenians , give up and go home? Oh my ,that naked man with a beard frowned! Quick, pack up, we're going home! If you know a place exists, you can make plans to get there. That doesn't need proving does it? A ship can sail all over the med , and in any direction hit land, and I suppose you might surmise Australia from the mainland , from clouds or birds or floating trees.or from Roti,, But how the heck do folks ever end up on Easter Island, not knowing it's out there to go to? It almost suggests outright ,that lost people were drifting all Over the ocean ! That doesn't sound like advanced maritime tech, it sounds like giant cojones.
  5. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Using scrutiny, is not deserving of dismissal ,for being Pooh pooing. Going 90 miles by boat is pretty dinky by normal standards, when in NA obsidian has been found from locations hundreds , maybe thousands of miles Overland. Simple Walrus hide boats are taken long distances. Prehistoric people were able to do a lot with simple tech, and that's what they deserve credit for, not to be downplayed by presuming alien interference ,or that they had advanced maritime equipment or tech. I am not big on Cadiz or any existing place, for that matter, if the specs for the civilization are being fulfilled retroactively, and the source could potentially have been talking about any place on Earth. Who has never had flooding, or a war, or potential hubris?
  6. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    That's what I am reading as well, but I am trying to be open to some scenario that would fit for an Atlantis,even broadly defined. They, Atlanteans, can't have been known to the Egyptians,as having chariots ,before they were invented, and adopted, by the Egyptians. Btw ,,which was only 3700ya. That's after the founding of Athens. So there can be no proto-Athenians to fight the Atlanteans, as I see it. Y'all go and proceed.
  7. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    The Germans remained Eurpopean in France. Nobody else mentions Atlanteans, and if just the Egyptians and Athenians recorded them ,they were indeed noticed. 11600ya is in fact more than 6 generations before Solon. The first chariot dates to appx 3700ya. Yamna culture showing up around 5300ya. Chariots were not yet invented , Athens wasn't founded,11600ya. And cattle weren't domesticated before 10500ya
  8. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    This says they were all over in Europe ,so how are they not European? If they conquered much of the then known world, then they are a group we are aware of by some other name. They can't both be in Europe, and not, nor can they have conquered the known world unnoticed. Atlantis is destroyed at least six generations before Plato , can I say that ? did they have horses wheels and drink milk?
  9. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Ok, a pervasive European culture, gets in a war, with proto Athenians, both groups get destroyed. New Athenians come over from Libya. Plato recounts the events preserved in oral tradition,? Is that the format? Then the Atlanteans could be the Celts that prehistorically dominated Europe ,had big rock tech, and was supplanted by cultures expanding from the Mediterranean with grain based agriculture.
  10. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    She is going to outline the events of a war, between two destroyed civilizations that happened ,oh,10000 years before anyone mentioned it?
  11. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Ok, was Athens founded 5000ya or 12000ya. And if Athens was destroyed by cataclysm how is it still here? Above water
  12. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Yeah, who knows what they got up to. I figure on orgies, spreading genes all over the place! Who the heck is the father of these bastages!
  13. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Oh certainly ! That's all incredible, but in the end I think it boils down to humans with time on their hands. While Apech seems to be interested in the culture , the engineering and various technologies are what I find interesting. But not to diverge too far , that all doesn't look like space alien tech, fly to earth ,only to bang rocks on other rocks. So if there isn't anything else amazing techno-wise to Atlanteans, we are just looking a people who may have gotten around ( or had been found) and fit in with Plato's critique, in the 'Athens time frame' or a few hundred years earlier. It only took Columbus two and a half months to get to the new world in the big fat sailing ships he had , but if one really knew what they were setting out to find , it appears possible that sailing people had gone way way farther even , long before that. So my alternate Atlantis is the relic story , and the significant thing is the early voyages. It reverses the paradigm of the Atlanteans being the bringers of tech , but rather stone or bronze age folk coming out of Europe by sails rather than the overland progression of walking as their progenitors had done, were the bringers of tech. like big rock buildings. Its the 'Out of the Mediterranean' hypothesis. Following megalithic construction There is a loose trail leading from The Caucasus through Europe and out the Mediterranean. You can bang around with the dates and types of construction but If I were speculating , I would say that the advent of civilization did not begin in the Atlantic , it spread out from the Caucasus on this western end of Eurasia. Gobekli 12000ya Carnac France 6500ya Dolmens in Caucasus 6000ya Crete 6000ya Athens founded 5000 ya Stonehenge 5000ya Palenque 2200ya There were already people around , at least 60,000 ya in Australia. The out of Africa theory suggests this as the oldest expansion for modern people, and those folks went all the way from the Levant to Australia and beyond. And across that time frame were dating the local Densiovans ,Neanderthals and so forth. I think it might be ventured that the most recent significant human development would be the backcross with the Archaics. So from 60000 ya to 12000 years ago ... anything could have been going on and I dont know what that is. If were to hypothesize Ice Atlanteans , this would be their time period.
  14. Story of Atlantis Part 1 - Ice Age and Deluge

    Presumably , it has to be more efficient , to cut and move big stones than small. If one has unlimited labor , then all you really need to do is have each person contribute a small stone-50lb , if a stone weighs 5 tons thats 10000 pounds- which is the work of 200 people and so thats roughly as many people you would have to presume ,are available to move any big stone. However , if one is cutting a big stone , many cuts are not made and therefore there is a big additional savings. If my math is correct ,, a 10000lb stone roughly 14x4x4 has appx 256 square feet of faced stone cuts the same weight if done in individual person size 50lb granite blocks has 1344 cut faces. So the big stone requires roughly a fifth of the cutting work as the small stones. in 'man efforts' you have now 200 moving men per big stone over a short distance , and five times as many men cutting sufficient stone for the project, by using big rocks . So I think this does suggest that its at least reasonable to figure that the large stone construction could be much more efficient , and that's why you would do it. And you would want the efficiency because you don't have unlimited labor. If one was using extraordinary means to cut the stones like lasers , you might cut into smaller blocks making it easier to move. If you were using levitation to move the rocks, you might as well cut them as huge as possible ,( fourteen feet by four by four isn't really all that big.) And if you had both these advanced technologies you wouldn't need to build in incremental blocks anyway! Just float a hill over and blast it to shape.