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it's a hot topic for some and would take study of several volumes of materiel from several sources...which I don't want to get into now.
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the "4th way" explains how quasi- 4th way summations are mostly corrupt.
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same quandary though for an identified self to untangle. thus ideas about food but not actual food given to starvings beings does not feed them, also denial of such beings is denial of Shakti manifest.
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in simpler terms that is just "somebody up there watching out for you" even if "they" are right under our nose.
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was it George Harrisons fault?
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or just have the rabbit for imaginary lunch if it gets to complicated...
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Consciousness in Zen Buddhism and how it relates to Vedanta
3bob replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
from my limited under-standing Self-realization does not bring an end to one's evolution/work or seeking until there is final merger of soul and Soul or soul (body) and the Self, which only God knows how long that may take? Thus there are all sorts of advanced and Self-realized beings who have attained moksha (or freedom from the cycles and karma's of birth and death) but not yet final merger. -
Consciousness in Zen Buddhism and how it relates to Vedanta
3bob replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
I'd say the "in private to a select few worthies" idea could get very dicey...along with the "Why" that you mention. Btw. Zen is one school of Buddhism, and Hinduism has God only knows how many - so do you include all of those? I'd also add imho that it is more than only the responsibility for lineage holders to transmit their lineage but it also of key importance to their working M.O. that they do not practice mix-ups of other M.O.'s from other schools. I like the Tattva diagrams or charts in comparison to Buddhist ones. -
Consciousness in Zen Buddhism and how it relates to Vedanta
3bob replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
Anyway finding and seeing common ground is noble, yet we do not have or hear lineage holders (Guru's) of Hindu or Buddhist schools saying their teachings are really the same when it comes to Atman and no self...nor about many other key points of doctrines. (or that they end up with the same realization, liberation, enlightenment, or in the same realms along with the same deities, or even in some cases with the same deity being recognized but given far less or little importance depending on the schools) -
Consciousness in Zen Buddhism and how it relates to Vedanta
3bob replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
neti, neti, does not negate Atman, while no-self does per traditional Buddhist interpretations...and we know that traditional Buddhists never accept the doctrines related to Atman. -
Consciousness in Zen Buddhism and how it relates to Vedanta
3bob replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
in some schools - all of that- (or Shakti) is not, nor never separate from the transcendent (beyond name & composite forms) yet the transcendent is always free from limitation by particular forms. -
Consciousness in Zen Buddhism and how it relates to Vedanta
3bob replied to dwai's topic in General Discussion
considering the historic Buddha had "Hindu" based or related ascetics teaching him up to (if I remember correctly?) the Buddhist 8th liberation then there is no wonder that there are some overlaps in the systems...still the no-self teachings are in direct contradiction to Vedanta and if one is part of either school then they can not be on fence about same or correlate and interpret both as they see fit and remain in said schools. -
thus it sounds like old dogs may learn new tricks... btw. there is only one of us after septillions x trillions of spin-offs so verification by many under or across all conditions is setting up a false premise
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hey happy guy if you are not writing novels maybe you should be?
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mod party poop-ers, this was a string with mystical/transcendental and deep philosophical connotations...
