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  1. Retro Tech

    This: Reminded me of this: Skates like this: Which were adjustable and designed to be attached to shoes, were common enough, but used more by girls than boys. I remember as a boy having friends take skates like the above apart and nail the two parts to a wooden board, to create the first skate boards. ZYD
  2. Retro Tech

    Not quit as dramatic as the above, but this was one of my childhood science nerd "toys": As you can see even today these things fascinate science nerds. His description of the relationship between the DC, or direct current input, and the AC, alternating current, output is a little off, while he is correct to say that a transformer needs to have AC current in order to work the coil actually creates AC from the DC because the DC is interrupted, it starts and stops, that is the point of the gap on the outside which used to interrupt the DC input. The reason for this is because electromagnetic induction only occurs when there is motion, either the receiving wires have to move, or as in this case the magnetic field has to move. In this case the magnetic field moves by expanding and contracting around the coil, this is why the DC current has to be stopped and started, when it on, the magnetic field expands, when it is turned off the field collapses. When the field expands it induces a current that travels through the wires in one direction, when it collapses a current is induced that moves in the other direction, this is why it is called AC, or alternating current because it moves first one way through the circuit then the other. The direct current as you can imagine only goes one way. AC current is like a sine wave, which since it moves up and down creates an automatic contraction and expansion of the magnetic field, which is necessary for the magnetic induction of an electric current to occur. I hope that is clear enough explanation, but I don't have time for more. ZYD Edit: correction to spelling.
  3. Retro Tech

    As a person who has been basically a Science/Magic nerd since my childhood in the fifties, I have followed this thread with some amusement, as well as some serious interest. I have done a little digging and may contribute to it in what I hope will be interesting and stimulating ways. ZYD
  4. While the above is certainly interesting and suggestive, it leaves out the Lime Jello and brainwaves question (yes its real, do a search), which torpedoed arguments for consciousness based on brain wave activity starting in Seventies. Something more is needed and i would suggest that the idea of the physical body should be viewed as a "section" of a hyper dimensional body that results from a symmetry break from four dimensional SpaceTime, a unifies entity, to three/one dimensional Space/Time. Combining these two complementary ideas helps to "flesh" out a model of "soul" in a useful way. By the way the idea of a fourth dimension has a longer history than you might think as I pointed out here: Though my thinking in terms of higher dimensionality arose more in the context of modeling "The One" as the "The Unity of a Whole", part of the problem set by Plato's Parmenides. I had closed the topic from which the above quote has been taken, so it cannot be linked directly, but must be reached by the link in "I pointed out here:" above. Henry More was one of a group of Seventeenth Century Philosopher/Theologians known as the Cambridge Platonist school. Reading about them in the early Eighties was actually very useful to me in understanding the wider influence of Platonism. ZYD
  5. Archons and egregores

    Sorry I don't understand the difference. If a thought form which is just an accumulation of chi and shen, is given life vitality it can develop intelligence like an egregore, no? You mention the necessity of a collective but a well trained magus can do what many occultists of weaker discipline attempt to do. I'm sorry, I made the mistake of thinking that you came up with the ideas on thought form and egregores on your own, when in point of fact you are only repeating Chaos Magic dogmas. I should have followed up the reference to servitor in your original post, which I recognized as a specifically Chaos Magic technical term, before posting my own. In Chaos Magic thought forms and egregores are linked in this way: However, you did not mention the complete sequence, only the idea that a thought form might spontaneously "evolve" into something "intelligent" enough to pass the Turing test. A notion which, as far as I can tell, is introduced by Madame Alexandra David-Neel in one of her books in an anecdote about a Tulpa that took on a life of its own and went seriously amuk. I read Madame David Neel's Magic and Mystery in Tibet when I was thirteen or so, but I can't remember whether I read the anecdote in it, though I do recall later references to the story, but I cannot place them exactly now. The idea is followed up by Franz Bardon in his Initiation into Hermetics, a book which I read and studied with considerable attention in the late Sixties, reading it cover to cover three times. I started practice Bardon's system while working intently with practices derived from the Golden Dawn. To make a long story short the Golden Dawn method's proved more effective, and I stopped Bardon's training. I will grant your point that the Chaos Magical view that a thought form that influenced a number of people would meet the minimum definition of an egregore even in the sense in which I use it, but as far as I am concerned suffers from the same conceptual limitations as all Chaos Magic does due to its underlying ontological commitments. Beyond that I don't consider this thread to be a place to enter into further discussion about egregores, especially since this only comes to the fore in a discussion of one of the possible meanings of egregore, and we are not even sure if that is what the OP means by the term, so without some feedback from the OP about what sense of egregore is at issue, I don't see much point in posting more on the matter at this time. ZYD
  6. Archons and egregores

    egregore is essentially an evolved "psi ball" isn't ? Just make an energy ball, give it a lot more power. Put some intention into moulding it to be permanent, take another shape, etc. Give it more prana, its intelligent enough to be a minion ("servitor") and eventually a full fledged "egregore" (meaning it can pass the Turing Test :D) Chi is normally seen as a kinetic or life-vitality field. But it can also be viewed as a psychological field, especially within the context of internal alchemy and refining shen. You're confusing an egregore with a simple thought form. An egregore does require more than one entity and is more like a system of linked beings, some egregores emerge and evolve spontaneously, but magicians can learn to create and control them. This is where the characterization of it as a "group mind" comes in, but it is not just a "group mind" of people, but can include other classes of beings, such as spirits of various ranks, That is why a single magician performing a ritual can "create" an egregore, assuming at least that the spirits who are supposed to show up, do in point of fact show up. I don't have time to say more now. ZYD
  7. Archons and egregores

    Thank you for your kind words above, I do the best I can with a lifetime of research, study and practice, and to know that it is appreciated is a comfort in my old age. Just to add a bit on egregores, the Wikipedia article is, as it often is, a good place to start, among other things it brings out the two primary meanings of egregore, the more historical one as "watcher" and the contemporary occultist meaning as a "group mind", quite nicely. I suspect that the OP in pairing Archon and Egregore within the context of the Matrix intends the more historical meaning of a watcher and not the occultist meaning of a "group mind". As I am not much interesting in spiritual Peeping Toms, I cannot provide much insight into that. On the other hand I have studied the use of egregores in magic since my late teens, and could say quite a bit. I will start by saying, to quote the Wikipedia article, as "a kind of group mind that is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose" is kind of a laughable oversimplification and misleading in its fundamental presuppositions. I learned very early that even a single magician practicing a simple ritual could create an egregore, and what was necessary to do it as I mention here: Son of the Gods, who was mentioned in the OP, has an only slightly better understanding than that expressed in the Wikipedia article. As for a little serious reading on Archons, here is a good academic paper, which I will link under the humorous name that I stored it on my own computer: How 'bout them Archons I hope that this is useful, more later as time allows. ZYD
  8. Archons and egregores

    Your questions are interesting, but the answers are complex. First of all there are two attitudes toward Archons, the one which the movie The Matrix populized and is characteristic of Gnosticism and Bhuddism, in which Archons or beings who serve the same purpose as Archons, but under a different name, are agents of "evil", who keep human beings imprisoned in a world of sense which is deceptive and detrimental, and the other which is characteristic of Platonism and Daoism in which the world, however much it may be a place of trouble and sorrow, is also a necessary part of a longer journey which leads people out of this world and into a better one. As such, Archons are at worst a necessary evil which leads to an ultimate good, and could actually be viewed as good spirits, because necessary for the creation and maintenance of the earthly part of the journey. Archons in the second sense are much less well known in modern times because of the historical development of the last few hundred years, though they played important parts in the Cosmology and spiritual practice of such late Platonists (usually called Neoplatonists) as Iamblichus and Proclus. All of this is very complex and I could write about it in considerable detail, but I don't see much point in writing more unless there is some active interest in this thread. Egregores are a complex matter also, and the same goes for them in terms of me writing more about them. I am also very busy which is why I did not see this thread until the other day, and this could limit my ability to do much more here. ZYD
  9. Who or what is answering?

    Thanks, I'll check it out. You're certainly welcome. Here is another reference: Taishang dongxuan lingbao toujian fuwen yaojue The article begins on the page to the far right of the PDF reader, Page (140 of 325). From: The Taoist Canon – A Historical Companion To The Daozang vol. 1 If anyone is seriously interested, the three volumes of this work can be downloaded from Archive.org. I hope that all of this is helpful. ZYD
  10. Who or what is answering?

    You might want to learn about the Eight Archivists, the Daoist Shen associated with the Baqua and Yi Jing: Time Manipulation in Early Daoist Ritual: The East Well Chart and the Eight Archivists A very interesting paper by Gil Raz, with a lot of good content. ZYD
  11. Deep Universe Inside?

    I haven't followed all of the replies, but your post above indicates that you are experiencing one of the features common to mystical teachings both East and West. I posted this on the matter a few years back: In the West it became fundamental to Metaphysics and Ontology, but originated as an Epistimological theory: Like is only known by like in Empedocles because it solves a lot of problems created both by Parmenides on the one hand and the early Greek Atomists on the other. This doctrine was worked out by Plato in a very profound way and continued to influence Western Philosophy up to Hegel. It existed in China as can be seen in this quote from the Confucian, Mencius: and was also used in Daoism. In Plato, as becomes very clear in Plotinus, all things, including our own divine being as already there within us, it allows this type of knowledge of God: as is found in the Corpus Hermeticum. The text which I emphasized above, "If, then, thou dost not make thyself like unto God, thou canst not know Him. For like is knowable to like", emphasizes the epistemological origin of this practice and it is only the Microcosm/Macrocosm analogy that makes it possible. This is a very Western approach approach to God as the fullness of Creation and the unifying One at its root, though the approach to the One as the one itself is also part of Western Philosophy especially in Plotinus. I hope that you find that useful. ZYD
  12. Astrology?

    In regard to these: and Is astrology real: I would say that that "real" usually means, does astrology work as a means of determining the personality and character of people and can it be used to gain an insight into future events. Based on decades of experience using astrology, I would have to answer yes, astrology works. Another part of my brain does not understand how hunks of rock and gas in space affect our lives here on Earth? Both gravity and light from these rocks affect our lives here on earth, and in modern physics these rocks and the big gas aggregation kind of in the middle really cannot be separated from us in any significant way. More importantly in modern physics there is plenty of room for as yet undetermined causes which could effect our lives here on earth. Since Minkowski reformulated Einsteins theory of relativity in four dimensional space/time the number of extra dimensions required to explain the simplest interactions between these rocks and gas clusters has risen significantly, even by the late twenties of the last Century Kaluza-Klein physics required five dimensions to create a unified model of gravity and electromagnetism, and I can assure you five dimensions leaves lots of space and time for alternate explanations, things undreamt of in most physicists philosophy, but which were considered quite compatible with the Platonic/Aristotelian worldview that characterized Western philosophy from the Hellenistic period to 1700 or so. When I started studying astrology in the late sixties it was a significant investment in time and money just to get the books necessary to do the calculations by hand with pen and paper. Nowadays if you want to fool around with it you have no excuse, here are reviews of Thirteen free astrology programs that will allow you to fool around to your hearts content: Reviews of Thirteen Free Astrology Programs There are programs for both Western and Indian astrology which are very similar and indeed large parts of Indian astrology can be traced to a Hellenistic Greek astrology text as can be seen in this discussion of the Yavanajataka one of the fundamental texts of Indian astrology. There are probably free Chinese astrology programs out there which will allow one to fool around with Chinese astrology also. There are several types of Chinese astrology and unlike Indian astrology they are different enough from Western astrology that they should be studied separately, but they also work. They are simply a different interface for getting readouts from the cosmos. I hope that this is helpful. ZYD
  13. The details are complex, but the fundamental principle is simply the idea that human beings are small reflections of the whole cosmos. This is usually called the microcosm/macrocosm relation and is common to spiritual traditions of East and West. Some years back I posted this, which while emphasizing Western Quotes is equally true of Daoism: In the West it became fundamental to Metaphysics and Ontology, but originated as an Epistimological theory: Like is only known by like in Empedocles because it solves a lot of problems created both by Parmenides on the one hand and the early Greek Atomists on the other. This doctrine was worked out by Plato in a very profound way and continued to influence Western Philosophy up to Hegel. It existed in China as can be seen in this quote from the Confucian, Mencius: and was also used in Daoism. In Plato, as becomes very clear in Plotinus, all things, including our own divine being as already there within us, it allows this type of knowledge of God: as is found in the Corpus Hermeticum. The text which I emphasized above, "If, then, thou dost not make thyself like unto God, thou canst not know Him. For like is knowable to like", emphasizes the epistemological origin of this practice and it is only the Microcosm/Macrocosm analogy that makes it possible. This is a very Western approach approach to God as the fullness of Creation and the unifying One at its root, though the approach to the One as the one itself is also part of Western Philosophy especially in Plotinus. In Daoism there are many practices involving the Pole Star, the Dipper, the Twenty-eight Constellations, the five visible Planets and the Sun and the Moon. These are all related to the human body, for example the Seven Constellations of the East, form the basis of the Green Dragon who is the spirit guardian of the east, he is also summoned for protection, the Planet Jupiter also rules the East and controls the Dragon, it is associated with the element Wood and used to balance and heal the Liver either in oneself or other people. I could go on for pages, but I see no point without knowing if this answers your question and what do you want to do with the answer? ZYD
  14. If you are really interested in a traditional spiritual approach compatible with homoerotic Love then you should look into Plato. Twenty-five hundred years ago he wrote some of the most eloquent descriptions of homoerotic Love in Western literature and actually teaches that properly used it can lead to men back to their heavenly home in a type of proto-Tantra. It is also a rigorously argued philosophy that defends our divine origin and nature. I don't have time now to write in more detail, but if you, or for that matter anyone else is interested I can provide quotes from such Platonic dialogues as Symposium and Phaedrus which will support what I have said. ZYD Edit: Changed homosexual to homoerotic which is much more accurate and in the spirit that Plato intended.
  15. Evidnece for the super natural

    I have heard of this phenomena: as long ago as the early 1980s in a magical context. basically it would be the electromagnetic equivalent of the better known Cold spot which is well known in the literature of hauntings and since the arrival of the "ghost hunter" TV programs has made its way into popular culture. If the actual phenomena are well enough documented then such accompanying losses documented by accompanying electric bills could be used to give more credence to the phenomena as "real". ZYD