Zhongyongdaoist

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  1. Are there evil master?

    Actually it is complex process with its its modern roots in the revival of Epicureanism starting around 1600 and developing within the context of the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation. It develops in a complex way with an important inflection point around 1800 and emerges in the Nineteenth Century as the conflict between "reductionism" the foundation of modern intellectualism and Romanticism, the rebellion against materialistic science and ideological reductionism. Explicating this would require a lengthy exposition which I don't have time for, but if someone is actually interested I can recommend some books that would be helpful in understanding the process. ZYD
  2. I don't have much time now to post more, but I did find the thread in which contained my earliest Dao Bums posts on this subject, and as I suspected it is one that I stumbled on and found many of my posts missing, which is why it doesn't show up when I search for yellow court under my own name. Here is one of the few surviving posts which has a lot of useful information about the middle dan and the yellow court: I hope this is helpful and I will try to get back to this topic soon, but this is all I can do for now. ZYD
  3. The book that you mention, Jade Writings is one of the books that I have. It is a very "modern" interpretation, but is worth considering. On a more traditional level I have The Primordial Breath: An Ancient Chinese Way of Prolonging Life through Breath Control by Jane Huang, which has a more traditional translation in Volume 2 of the the Inner and outer texts of the Yellow Court Canon, if I recall correctly the actual translations are by her father and she just edited and prepared the translation for publication. Below is the Chinese text of the "Outer View" of the Yellow Court: I have forgotten exactly where I got that since this was some time ago and their were many sites that I mined for information over the years. Also I found my own notes on the discussion that I had on Dao Bums, it was back in 2012. From it I have copied this useful information from a paper by Louis Komjathy, titled "Daoist Texts in Translation": The complete text has a lot of valuable information about Western Language translations, as well as the complete Chinese titles which make it easier to search for them. It is easy enough for me to post the Chinese Text of the Inner Yellow Court Canon, should anyone want that also. I hope this information is helpful. ZYD Edit: The post required some adjustments to paragraph spacing.
  4. As I noted here: Saso is a valuable resource, I would also recommend Taoism and the Rite of Cosmic Renewal, which I first read back in 1976 and was a major turning point in my life, as well as his The Gold Pavilion, a translation and meditation manual based on the two Yellow Court Canons, the usual way that these texts are referred to, which are two of the most important texts in Religious Daosim. I also learned a great deal about the higher levels of Daoist ritual from Taooist Ritual in Chinese Society and History by John Lagerway and Early Daoist Scriptures by Stephen Bokenkamp. There are two Yellow Court Scriptures, internal and external you have specifically mention the external one. The Wikipedia article is surprisingly informative and worth a read. I have two different translations as well as the original Chinese Texts which are available on the internet. Some years ago I had been involved in a thread dealing with the different translations, but I can't seem to find it, so I will have to dig these out of my library so I can let you know about them. ZYD
  5. When I was a moderator we examined the idea of clubs, even going so far as to install it so we could see how it works, but we also examined the possible consequences of clubs with our "nightmare" scenario being the "Western Mopai" club, which would end out filled with and staffed by a group that has been a source of problems for Dao Bums for as long as I can remember. We concluded that a forum with even a few warring clubs would create an enormous burden for the moderating staff and risked fragmenting and polarizing the forum in undesirable ways. We certainly didn't want to deal with it. The new staff may wish to examine the idea, our own past discussions of the matter should still be available to them. ZYD
  6. We have had this discussion before in regard to member deci belle, who had a similar request. The discussion of this request seems to no longer be viewable to non-mod Dao Bums. I know its not available because I remember posting in it and not being able to find those post now. A lot of the present mod staff have been here long enough that they may remember this discussion and may want to review it in light of this request. The problem with a "block" button is that it would stifle the give and take involved in discussion, which is as can be seen in the TheDaoBums' Three Foundations: Eclectic, Egalitarian, Civil. is not the purpose for which the Dao Bums exists: That my interpretation of this is the "official" purpose is confirmed here: There are two usual ways to deal with the problem of not wanting to take part in the give and take of discussion, first you have your own private feifdom in your PPF, and can delete any offending posts that happen to disagree with you. If you are only interested in Dao Bums seeing your response unfettered with disagreement you can put links in the thread to your PPF. If you want to have a public response, you always have the option of a blog on anyone of a number of sites, where you are also "absolute autocrat" of what is posted and responses to it, and you can put links to that for those who wish your unblemished exposition. Some time ago I experimented with a third alternative here: This reminds me of what I said here: A little ignoring goes a long way too. This is how I will implement this idea. When I make a new post I will edit my previous one with a link to it so that someone can follow my exposition without having it be broken up intervening periods of incomprehensible twaddle. I may add some links to parts of the discussion which I think are particularly worth considering, or add them to my new post like this: Apeiron&Peiron Brings up the relationship between the Republic and Laws Apeiron&Peiron talks about publication in ancient Athens both of which I intend to respond to shortly. This was during the period of "Owner's Permissions" where the OP was given extraordinary control over the thread, a feature which could not be implemented in the subsequent software upgrade, and if you read the whole post you can see the requests from other people to remove the spam-trolling posts, which eventually I did remove. As the thread is now it is only two thirds of what it was before, I had to hide over twenty post from a single poster. Overall I kind of like the approach, but it will not deal with a troll whose goal is not simply for attention, as I mentioned above, but for victory, to silence you and put forward their own opinion above all others. This is the type of troll who should be disciplined with suspensions until it becomes obvious to all that a ban is necessary, and believe me, mods get enough flack for just suspending someone, banning a member is one of the last things that mods will contemplate, when all else has failed. I am glad to hear that there is no way a "block" feature can be implemented, as I really do believe in the free flow of conversation as my own experimental way of dealing with it, illustrated above, demonstrates, but I also know how painful it is to deal with a determined troll who will not let go of the matter until you have been exhausted and given up. To protect us from such trolls is part of the reason moderators exist, and I wish the new staff well in their efforts to do so. Zhongyongdaoist, former Concierge Edit: After posting some Paragraphs and spacing needed adjustment.
  7. If you are looking for a nice one word label, that sounds good and has established usage, you might want to use "pragmatic", and put it into a context like "a pragmatic approach to choice among an eclectic set of tools for success." Or something like that. I should have been in advertising I could have been a very rich word whore, but I have too much of a sense of personal integrity for that. ZYD
  8. There are two words often used for this and they describe different approaches to such mixing, syncretic, such as virtue has already mentioned, and eclectic. There is a useful and fundamental difference between them. Eclectic is used to refer to an informal approach to a mix and match of ideas and practices, whereas synretic is a more formal approach in which there is an actual attempt to synthesize, to unify different approaches in a fundamental unity, whereas this is not necessary in a eclectic approach, only a borrowing from different sources. ZYD
  9. Quote or misquote

    Unfortunately finding the "original Chinese" will probably be very difficult. This is because the work was controversial and eventually proscribed: Ancient fragments have been found, but no complete text: As noted what has been found doesn't seem to correlate well with the English text which is claimed to be a transcription of an Oral Tradition: So the only people who would have a Chinese text of this version are Master Ni's sons who carry on his work here: the College of Tao and Integral Health Here is the quote in Master Ni's book, from section 45, p. 144: If you contact them they may help you, however there is probably no way of establishing the relation between this "oral tradition" which Master Ni translated and the original Huahujing, nor is there anyway to establish whether Laozi wrote any of it. Either text might have interesting information on different aspects of later Daoist tradition, but neither may contain anything written by Laozi himself. ZYD
  10. Quote or misquote

    For good or ill, I really can't let go of things until I have either found the answer or proved to myself that it can't be found. I looked at Master Ni's text and decided that it was too wordy to be the direct source of the quote and remembering that Brian Walker's text was characterized as sparse and poetic more like Laozi's writing, so I decided to look at it and here is the result: Walker credits Master Ni as his teacher who introduced him to the Huahujing and and it is easy to see how this is a simplification of Master Ni's text. Also this seems to be based on ideas in the text of Daodejing Chapter 66: Thus "rectifying oneself" by becoming like the "sea" allows one to receive "tribute" from all directions without effort. Now I can let go of this. ZYD
  11. Quote or misquote

    While it has been a while since I have read the Dao De Jing, from 1966 to 1977, it was fundamental to my approach to life and I read it many times in many translations, and basically this does not have the "feel" of the Dao De JIng at all. I did some searching and while it is everywhere attributed to Laozi, no one gives a specific source citation in the Dao De Jing, which made me even more suspicious. Digging a little deeper I found a likely source in the Huahujing, based on this: I have this translation, Ni Hua-Ching. The Complete Works of Lao Tzu: Tao Teh Ching & Hua Hu Ching, The Shrine of the Eternal Breath of Tao and the College of Tao and Traditional healing, 1979, however the text is 81 chapters and about 111 pages long and I am not going to try to find a more exact location for you. The Huahujing is considered authentic by many Chinese, but is usually considered to be a late Polemical treatise, AKA forgery, created to show that after Laozi arrived in India he taught the "Barbarians" all they knew about spirituality which was then brought back "home" to China as Buddhism. I hope this is useful. ZYD
  12. American doctors explain why covid is just a flu

    I don't usually watch videos, they are usually sources of worthless sound bytes rather than good data and analysis. I did watch parts of the first video which was still up, and found it pretty worthless and not worth the time to take notes on and come here do a real criticism of it. This is what happened to the second video, which also apparently includes Dr. Erickson from the first, is listed as not available for violating Youtube terms of service: Dubious coronavirus claims by California doctors condemned by health experts This should settle the matter except for people who believe that anyone who disagrees with them is a scammer. ZYD Edit: added more to the quote.
  13. nCov19 Development and Prevention Discussion Only

    The flu vaccine is 50% effective. Yes, I am familiar with the relative effectiveness of the flu vaccine due to the extreme mutability of the flu virus it is the least effective vaccine in general usage, but even when people who receive it do subsequently get the flu it is usually mild and not the worst "flu" of their lives. ZYD
  14. nCov19 Development and Prevention Discussion Only

    Here is an article from CNN indicating that the virus may have been around earlier than thought and apparently confused with the flu: 2 Californians died of coronavirus weeks before previously known 1st US death My neighbor has been talking about this possibility for the past couple of weeks because she had the worst flu of her life in January, and talking about it to her doctor learned that there had been a whole outbreak of "flu" that was not prevented by this year's flu vaccine and her doctor thought the vaccine had been incorrect, but now it seems it may have been an early covid infection which would explain why the flu vaccine didn't work. ZYD
  15. Sorry for being AWOL lately ...

    Thanks for letting us know, I'm sure I was not the only DB getting worried, but recovering from a couple of gut punches like job loss and spouse loss, as well as the general difficulties besetting all of us is certainly a good enough reason for some time off. After all real life is more demanding and almost as important as the Dao Bums, even for the owner. ZYD