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  1. Confucianism for beginners (and dummies too)

    I'm sorry to be so long in posting, but last week was unexpectedly busy and while I have some lovely notes about why the Tang dynasty was so important to Confucian Revival of the Song dynasty and they are almost ready to be posted, they need a little more work to be up to my standards and I hope to by able to post them in two days. I also have to be honest and say that I had to talk myself out of covering a lot of fascinating, to me at least, information about the early Han dynasty consolidation of Imperial Power under a Confucian/Legalist system, and the banishment of Daoism as a political alternative. Maybe I can do that somewhere down the road. ZYD
  2. Confucianism for beginners (and dummies too)

    Wang Fengyi comments on his books that the viewpoints differ because of their emphasis either on original mind (Mencius) or acquired mind (Xunzi). The original mind preserves the spontaneous ethical purity, while the acquired mind easily accumulates selfish traits. Surely, the former points to ethical ideals and what people can hope to aspire for in their self-cultivation, and the latter teaches discerning eye for statesmen. I don't want to get to distracted by this, but rather to continue to develop an introduction for beginner's. I don't want to get into any discussion of Wang Fengyi and his opinions, though the fundamental observation is good, but if Xunzi concentrated on acquired mind, it was because as a thoroughgoing materialist, that is all he believed existed, and the notion of original mind would have just been a fantasy to him. These matters can be discussed later, and I welcome them at that time, as it is writing this is taking up a lot of time and I want to get back to dealing with beginner's topics. ZYD
  3. Confucianism for beginners (and dummies too)

    You're certainly welcome, I try to shed a little light on things when I can, and sometimes I even succeed. I will do my best to follow through, and help explicate the Mystery of Confucius as best as I can. In order to understand more of the Mystery of Confucius you need to become familiar with two people, who are the most important exponents and developers of Confucian thought in the Waring States period, they are: Our Hero: Mèng Kē, Mengzi, Mencius and our Villain: Xun Kuang, Xunzi Now in one sense I am being as unfair to Xunzi, as I have been to the Analects, but the reason for characterizing him as a villain comes from this oversimplification about his and Mencius view on Human Nature. For Mencius Human Nature was fundamentally good, and the purpose of Confucian teaching was to help people fully realize that fundamental goodness, however for Xunzi human nature was bad, and the purpose of Confucian teaching was to train them to overcome that bad nature and become good. So that Mencius was all about Confucianism as Self Realization and Xunzi was all about Confucianism as Animal Training. It is helpful to an understanding of Xunzi, when you realize that his most influential student, Hanfei, one of the most famous advocates of Chinese "Legalist" thought, and as such, a resolute enemy of Confucianism. In the History of Confucianism in China it is important to realize that Xunzi, with Hanfei in the background dominated Confucian thought by sometime around 200 BCE, and was pretty much the basis of the State Confucianism of China from the Han Dynasty until the development of what is usually called Neo-Confucianism in the Tang Dynasty. One important aspect of which was the replacement of Xunzi as the great Confucian interpreter with Mencius. Which is why we have three Chinese Philosophers whose names have been Latinized with the "us" suffix, Confucius, Laocius (AKA, Laozi), and Mencius, because these were the philosophers that the Jesuit Missionaries read after their arrival in China around 1600, Xunzi had dropped into almost complete, and in my opinion well deserved, obscurity. More on this as I have time. ZYD
  4. Confucianism for beginners (and dummies too)

    Starting to study Confucius by reading the Analects only leads to what I have humorously called: The Mystery of Confucius Which is, why would the author of such a boring and pedantic work as the Analects inspire his last patron, Duke Ai of Yu to do this: Yep, this is it guys and gals: ain't it Grand? What kind of person must Confucius have been to inspire such an action on the part of a Spring and Autumn period Feudal Lord? A useful place to start to answer that question might be in this text: 儒行 - Ru Xing The purported record of a session in which Confucius expounds on "The Nature of the Scholar" to Duke Ai. It is important enough to be part of the Liji, the Book of Rites along with two other texts the 中庸 - Zhong Yong (Does that title sound at all familiar? ZYD) and 大學 - Da Xue Which are much better Places to go to get some insight into Confucianism. It is also a good idea to study the concept of Ren, 仁, meaning, usually reduced to "humaneness", and in particular this etymology of it: For now with these little hints, I leave the reader to contemplate: The Mystery of Confucius While I try to find time to write more. ZYD
  5. Confucianism for beginners (and dummies too)

    A good place to start is: The Ruist Association of America Ruist and Ruism, from the Chinese 儒, rú, for Scholar and especially Confucian, are the "in" academic names for Confucians and Confucianism these days. I don't have much time now, but I will post more as I can. ZYD Edit: added parentheses to get "in".
  6. Mysticism

    Helpful Demon, I am glad that you have come to at least part of the realization that you have. From the time you started posting here I realized that you were a serious case of Demonic Obsession, but not Possession. I followed your posts, copied them for documentation and wondered what to do. Confronting you on them would lead to nothing of value, and create a lot of defensiveness, which would have only made matters worse. I have been very busy so I just been byding my time until now. I am still not sure how to proceed in your case, but in your final judgment about mysticism you have gone to far and I hope that you can come to a more balanced appreciation of its value. In all of these matters you must always ask questions and the most important person to ask is yourself, to ask yourself what you believe and why you believe it. Good luck in the rest of your journey. ZYD
  7. Retro Tech

    This: Reminded me of this: Skates like this: Which were adjustable and designed to be attached to shoes, were common enough, but used more by girls than boys. I remember as a boy having friends take skates like the above apart and nail the two parts to a wooden board, to create the first skate boards. ZYD
  8. Retro Tech

    Not quit as dramatic as the above, but this was one of my childhood science nerd "toys": As you can see even today these things fascinate science nerds. His description of the relationship between the DC, or direct current input, and the AC, alternating current, output is a little off, while he is correct to say that a transformer needs to have AC current in order to work the coil actually creates AC from the DC because the DC is interrupted, it starts and stops, that is the point of the gap on the outside which used to interrupt the DC input. The reason for this is because electromagnetic induction only occurs when there is motion, either the receiving wires have to move, or as in this case the magnetic field has to move. In this case the magnetic field moves by expanding and contracting around the coil, this is why the DC current has to be stopped and started, when it on, the magnetic field expands, when it is turned off the field collapses. When the field expands it induces a current that travels through the wires in one direction, when it collapses a current is induced that moves in the other direction, this is why it is called AC, or alternating current because it moves first one way through the circuit then the other. The direct current as you can imagine only goes one way. AC current is like a sine wave, which since it moves up and down creates an automatic contraction and expansion of the magnetic field, which is necessary for the magnetic induction of an electric current to occur. I hope that is clear enough explanation, but I don't have time for more. ZYD Edit: correction to spelling.
  9. Retro Tech

    As a person who has been basically a Science/Magic nerd since my childhood in the fifties, I have followed this thread with some amusement, as well as some serious interest. I have done a little digging and may contribute to it in what I hope will be interesting and stimulating ways. ZYD
  10. While the above is certainly interesting and suggestive, it leaves out the Lime Jello and brainwaves question (yes its real, do a search), which torpedoed arguments for consciousness based on brain wave activity starting in Seventies. Something more is needed and i would suggest that the idea of the physical body should be viewed as a "section" of a hyper dimensional body that results from a symmetry break from four dimensional SpaceTime, a unifies entity, to three/one dimensional Space/Time. Combining these two complementary ideas helps to "flesh" out a model of "soul" in a useful way. By the way the idea of a fourth dimension has a longer history than you might think as I pointed out here: Though my thinking in terms of higher dimensionality arose more in the context of modeling "The One" as the "The Unity of a Whole", part of the problem set by Plato's Parmenides. I had closed the topic from which the above quote has been taken, so it cannot be linked directly, but must be reached by the link in "I pointed out here:" above. Henry More was one of a group of Seventeenth Century Philosopher/Theologians known as the Cambridge Platonist school. Reading about them in the early Eighties was actually very useful to me in understanding the wider influence of Platonism. ZYD
  11. Archons and egregores

    Sorry I don't understand the difference. If a thought form which is just an accumulation of chi and shen, is given life vitality it can develop intelligence like an egregore, no? You mention the necessity of a collective but a well trained magus can do what many occultists of weaker discipline attempt to do. I'm sorry, I made the mistake of thinking that you came up with the ideas on thought form and egregores on your own, when in point of fact you are only repeating Chaos Magic dogmas. I should have followed up the reference to servitor in your original post, which I recognized as a specifically Chaos Magic technical term, before posting my own. In Chaos Magic thought forms and egregores are linked in this way: However, you did not mention the complete sequence, only the idea that a thought form might spontaneously "evolve" into something "intelligent" enough to pass the Turing test. A notion which, as far as I can tell, is introduced by Madame Alexandra David-Neel in one of her books in an anecdote about a Tulpa that took on a life of its own and went seriously amuk. I read Madame David Neel's Magic and Mystery in Tibet when I was thirteen or so, but I can't remember whether I read the anecdote in it, though I do recall later references to the story, but I cannot place them exactly now. The idea is followed up by Franz Bardon in his Initiation into Hermetics, a book which I read and studied with considerable attention in the late Sixties, reading it cover to cover three times. I started practice Bardon's system while working intently with practices derived from the Golden Dawn. To make a long story short the Golden Dawn method's proved more effective, and I stopped Bardon's training. I will grant your point that the Chaos Magical view that a thought form that influenced a number of people would meet the minimum definition of an egregore even in the sense in which I use it, but as far as I am concerned suffers from the same conceptual limitations as all Chaos Magic does due to its underlying ontological commitments. Beyond that I don't consider this thread to be a place to enter into further discussion about egregores, especially since this only comes to the fore in a discussion of one of the possible meanings of egregore, and we are not even sure if that is what the OP means by the term, so without some feedback from the OP about what sense of egregore is at issue, I don't see much point in posting more on the matter at this time. ZYD
  12. Archons and egregores

    egregore is essentially an evolved "psi ball" isn't ? Just make an energy ball, give it a lot more power. Put some intention into moulding it to be permanent, take another shape, etc. Give it more prana, its intelligent enough to be a minion ("servitor") and eventually a full fledged "egregore" (meaning it can pass the Turing Test :D) Chi is normally seen as a kinetic or life-vitality field. But it can also be viewed as a psychological field, especially within the context of internal alchemy and refining shen. You're confusing an egregore with a simple thought form. An egregore does require more than one entity and is more like a system of linked beings, some egregores emerge and evolve spontaneously, but magicians can learn to create and control them. This is where the characterization of it as a "group mind" comes in, but it is not just a "group mind" of people, but can include other classes of beings, such as spirits of various ranks, That is why a single magician performing a ritual can "create" an egregore, assuming at least that the spirits who are supposed to show up, do in point of fact show up. I don't have time to say more now. ZYD
  13. Archons and egregores

    Thank you for your kind words above, I do the best I can with a lifetime of research, study and practice, and to know that it is appreciated is a comfort in my old age. Just to add a bit on egregores, the Wikipedia article is, as it often is, a good place to start, among other things it brings out the two primary meanings of egregore, the more historical one as "watcher" and the contemporary occultist meaning as a "group mind", quite nicely. I suspect that the OP in pairing Archon and Egregore within the context of the Matrix intends the more historical meaning of a watcher and not the occultist meaning of a "group mind". As I am not much interesting in spiritual Peeping Toms, I cannot provide much insight into that. On the other hand I have studied the use of egregores in magic since my late teens, and could say quite a bit. I will start by saying, to quote the Wikipedia article, as "a kind of group mind that is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose" is kind of a laughable oversimplification and misleading in its fundamental presuppositions. I learned very early that even a single magician practicing a simple ritual could create an egregore, and what was necessary to do it as I mention here: Son of the Gods, who was mentioned in the OP, has an only slightly better understanding than that expressed in the Wikipedia article. As for a little serious reading on Archons, here is a good academic paper, which I will link under the humorous name that I stored it on my own computer: How 'bout them Archons I hope that this is useful, more later as time allows. ZYD
  14. Archons and egregores

    Your questions are interesting, but the answers are complex. First of all there are two attitudes toward Archons, the one which the movie The Matrix populized and is characteristic of Gnosticism and Bhuddism, in which Archons or beings who serve the same purpose as Archons, but under a different name, are agents of "evil", who keep human beings imprisoned in a world of sense which is deceptive and detrimental, and the other which is characteristic of Platonism and Daoism in which the world, however much it may be a place of trouble and sorrow, is also a necessary part of a longer journey which leads people out of this world and into a better one. As such, Archons are at worst a necessary evil which leads to an ultimate good, and could actually be viewed as good spirits, because necessary for the creation and maintenance of the earthly part of the journey. Archons in the second sense are much less well known in modern times because of the historical development of the last few hundred years, though they played important parts in the Cosmology and spiritual practice of such late Platonists (usually called Neoplatonists) as Iamblichus and Proclus. All of this is very complex and I could write about it in considerable detail, but I don't see much point in writing more unless there is some active interest in this thread. Egregores are a complex matter also, and the same goes for them in terms of me writing more about them. I am also very busy which is why I did not see this thread until the other day, and this could limit my ability to do much more here. ZYD
  15. Who or what is answering?

    Thanks, I'll check it out. You're certainly welcome. Here is another reference: Taishang dongxuan lingbao toujian fuwen yaojue The article begins on the page to the far right of the PDF reader, Page (140 of 325). From: The Taoist Canon – A Historical Companion To The Daozang vol. 1 If anyone is seriously interested, the three volumes of this work can be downloaded from Archive.org. I hope that all of this is helpful. ZYD
  16. Who or what is answering?

    You might want to learn about the Eight Archivists, the Daoist Shen associated with the Baqua and Yi Jing: Time Manipulation in Early Daoist Ritual: The East Well Chart and the Eight Archivists A very interesting paper by Gil Raz, with a lot of good content. ZYD
  17. I confess that Magick it self teacheth many superfluous things, and curious prodigies for ostentation; leave them as empty things, yet be not ignorant of their causes.: This piece of advice is excellent. Agrippa is writing a very comprehensive work which deals with both theory and practice. Much of what he writes would be well known to the educated of his day, that is one of the interesting things about it, and the theory which he introduces is as good now as it was the day he wrote it, but the material which he uses to illustrate these principles, while consisting of quotes from some of the most authoritative sources available to him, read like nonsense today. This make the importance of paying attention to the underlying principles and understanding them and then viewing his exposition as possibly outlandish examples, but examples nonetheless, and understanding them as attempts to illustrate those principles, is a good guide to getting more out of these books than would otherwise be the case. I will try to write more about this, but today I don't have much time to write, but thought I would go ahead and start this and see what response we can get. Out of fairness to Joseph Peterson and his great site from which we will be quoting, I think the least we can do is promote one of his products, which will help support his site: Esoteric Archives on CDrom
  18. Deep Universe Inside?

    I haven't followed all of the replies, but your post above indicates that you are experiencing one of the features common to mystical teachings both East and West. I posted this on the matter a few years back: In the West it became fundamental to Metaphysics and Ontology, but originated as an Epistimological theory: Like is only known by like in Empedocles because it solves a lot of problems created both by Parmenides on the one hand and the early Greek Atomists on the other. This doctrine was worked out by Plato in a very profound way and continued to influence Western Philosophy up to Hegel. It existed in China as can be seen in this quote from the Confucian, Mencius: and was also used in Daoism. In Plato, as becomes very clear in Plotinus, all things, including our own divine being as already there within us, it allows this type of knowledge of God: as is found in the Corpus Hermeticum. The text which I emphasized above, "If, then, thou dost not make thyself like unto God, thou canst not know Him. For like is knowable to like", emphasizes the epistemological origin of this practice and it is only the Microcosm/Macrocosm analogy that makes it possible. This is a very Western approach approach to God as the fullness of Creation and the unifying One at its root, though the approach to the One as the one itself is also part of Western Philosophy especially in Plotinus. I hope that you find that useful. ZYD
  19. Astrology?

    In regard to these: and Is astrology real: I would say that that "real" usually means, does astrology work as a means of determining the personality and character of people and can it be used to gain an insight into future events. Based on decades of experience using astrology, I would have to answer yes, astrology works. Another part of my brain does not understand how hunks of rock and gas in space affect our lives here on Earth? Both gravity and light from these rocks affect our lives here on earth, and in modern physics these rocks and the big gas aggregation kind of in the middle really cannot be separated from us in any significant way. More importantly in modern physics there is plenty of room for as yet undetermined causes which could effect our lives here on earth. Since Minkowski reformulated Einsteins theory of relativity in four dimensional space/time the number of extra dimensions required to explain the simplest interactions between these rocks and gas clusters has risen significantly, even by the late twenties of the last Century Kaluza-Klein physics required five dimensions to create a unified model of gravity and electromagnetism, and I can assure you five dimensions leaves lots of space and time for alternate explanations, things undreamt of in most physicists philosophy, but which were considered quite compatible with the Platonic/Aristotelian worldview that characterized Western philosophy from the Hellenistic period to 1700 or so. When I started studying astrology in the late sixties it was a significant investment in time and money just to get the books necessary to do the calculations by hand with pen and paper. Nowadays if you want to fool around with it you have no excuse, here are reviews of Thirteen free astrology programs that will allow you to fool around to your hearts content: Reviews of Thirteen Free Astrology Programs There are programs for both Western and Indian astrology which are very similar and indeed large parts of Indian astrology can be traced to a Hellenistic Greek astrology text as can be seen in this discussion of the Yavanajataka one of the fundamental texts of Indian astrology. There are probably free Chinese astrology programs out there which will allow one to fool around with Chinese astrology also. There are several types of Chinese astrology and unlike Indian astrology they are different enough from Western astrology that they should be studied separately, but they also work. They are simply a different interface for getting readouts from the cosmos. I hope that this is helpful. ZYD
  20. The details are complex, but the fundamental principle is simply the idea that human beings are small reflections of the whole cosmos. This is usually called the microcosm/macrocosm relation and is common to spiritual traditions of East and West. Some years back I posted this, which while emphasizing Western Quotes is equally true of Daoism: In the West it became fundamental to Metaphysics and Ontology, but originated as an Epistimological theory: Like is only known by like in Empedocles because it solves a lot of problems created both by Parmenides on the one hand and the early Greek Atomists on the other. This doctrine was worked out by Plato in a very profound way and continued to influence Western Philosophy up to Hegel. It existed in China as can be seen in this quote from the Confucian, Mencius: and was also used in Daoism. In Plato, as becomes very clear in Plotinus, all things, including our own divine being as already there within us, it allows this type of knowledge of God: as is found in the Corpus Hermeticum. The text which I emphasized above, "If, then, thou dost not make thyself like unto God, thou canst not know Him. For like is knowable to like", emphasizes the epistemological origin of this practice and it is only the Microcosm/Macrocosm analogy that makes it possible. This is a very Western approach approach to God as the fullness of Creation and the unifying One at its root, though the approach to the One as the one itself is also part of Western Philosophy especially in Plotinus. In Daoism there are many practices involving the Pole Star, the Dipper, the Twenty-eight Constellations, the five visible Planets and the Sun and the Moon. These are all related to the human body, for example the Seven Constellations of the East, form the basis of the Green Dragon who is the spirit guardian of the east, he is also summoned for protection, the Planet Jupiter also rules the East and controls the Dragon, it is associated with the element Wood and used to balance and heal the Liver either in oneself or other people. I could go on for pages, but I see no point without knowing if this answers your question and what do you want to do with the answer? ZYD
  21. If you are really interested in a traditional spiritual approach compatible with homoerotic Love then you should look into Plato. Twenty-five hundred years ago he wrote some of the most eloquent descriptions of homoerotic Love in Western literature and actually teaches that properly used it can lead to men back to their heavenly home in a type of proto-Tantra. It is also a rigorously argued philosophy that defends our divine origin and nature. I don't have time now to write in more detail, but if you, or for that matter anyone else is interested I can provide quotes from such Platonic dialogues as Symposium and Phaedrus which will support what I have said. ZYD Edit: Changed homosexual to homoerotic which is much more accurate and in the spirit that Plato intended.
  22. Evidnece for the super natural

    I have heard of this phenomena: as long ago as the early 1980s in a magical context. basically it would be the electromagnetic equivalent of the better known Cold spot which is well known in the literature of hauntings and since the arrival of the "ghost hunter" TV programs has made its way into popular culture. If the actual phenomena are well enough documented then such accompanying losses documented by accompanying electric bills could be used to give more credence to the phenomena as "real". ZYD
  23. Missing Sub-forums in PPD

    It's all a plot of Naraku to make Miroku look bad. Naraku knows that the secret of how to close the wind tunnel is hidden somewhere on the Dao Bums and wants to prevent Miroku from finding it and ending the curse Naraku put on Miroku's family. So don't judge Miroku harshly but instead join with him to out Naraku and heal the Dao Bums. ZYD
  24. Locking threads, discuss it here

    There were two reports generated in the previous thread which the member hid (owing to his misunderstanding of moderator communications, and in compliance with what he (at the time) believed was a moderator request). Then, there was “spillover” from the then hidden thread when nungali brought his queries regarding the hidden thread to the second thread - which generated no reports on the member who hid the initial thread, but did generate reports on both earl grey and nungali Thank you ilumairen, I appreciate the transparency. Also after my post when I followed this: I realized that "visible" action of a sort had been taken as a post had apparently been hidden at moderator's request. This goes along with what I said about not all moderator actions are visible, though someone who was familiar with the thread might have noticed that something, probably rather rude, was missing. I know moderator's prefer to solve matters in this fashion and as long as the member is cooperative with Staff, such matters are likely to be passed over without much fuss, unless Staff finds that a repeat offender needs constant admonition and correction in which case further action may be taken. I have no idea what welkin's record is, so I cannot comment further on the matter. Thanks to all the staff for their hard work and dedication. Zhongyongdaoist
  25. Locking threads, discuss it here

    The lack of any visible action in regard to welkin has also been privately expressed to me, but having been a moderator I know that not all moderator action is visible and a lot depends upon the previous history of the individual concerned. Among other things if no one reported welkin's behavior it is possible that no action would have been taken on him. It certainly makes the moderator's job easier if they have a specific infraction to look at rather than have to go through several pages of posts just to find examples of bad behavior to see if a person whose behavior has been reported has any mitigating provocation for their actions. Maybe one of the moderators will indulge me and say if there were any reports about welkin's behavior in the thread, and if there were none the lesson is, if you want action to be taken about rudeness in a thread, report it. Zhongyongdaoist