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@Learner @Vajra Fist Thanks for chiming in and sharing your interest Great to hear from you both! Let me share in 3 points: 1) how to practice, 2) my experience, 3) conclusion 1) How to practice: The basic level is divided using the daoist trinity, Heaven, Earth, Man. There are 3 parts of each, i.e. 9 parts in total (3x3=9). The Human part consists of the techniques themselves, some main, some assisting, making it 6 techniques in total. The first one is a relaxation and visualisation exercise. The second is a visualisation and meditation exercise. The third is the sleeping technique itself (posture and mudra activating different points, as well as a two step meditation). The remaining 3 ones are qigong techniques to be done during the day to support (inner alchemy, open meridians, circulate qi, help with longevity, recover from ejaculation and protect the jing). The Earth part is about healing, group mind and ethical conduct. The Heavenly part is about states of consciousness and how to go to "the original state". 2) My experience: I was very positively suprised already with the first exercise, the relaxation and visualisation. It's super easy and simple, yet I feel like "I continued where I left off" in my cultivation progress realized with Zhongxian Wu's 3 year "jing dao" program. Where visualisation actually controls your body and becomes real. It's hard to explain and came as a big surprise, but at a certain point your mind and body become one. It sounds quite limp on paper, but in reality it's a huge surprise and weird unexpected shift in your practice. Hard to say what happens from here, but it's a new way of living and cultivating, a new reality where mind, matter and energy are the same, jing, q and shen unite, "mind and body as one". The first 2 weeks or so I found out I have a tension in my throat, my right eye and right side of my forehead, and no matter how much I intently relax it, the moment I stop relaxing it automatically tenses up again. Super weird. But from day to day you progress. Each part of your body comes under the control of your mind, you can relax at will. Further, the visualisation becomes real, felt and tangible and increases in power from day to day, week to week, month to month. Slowly but steadily. Some real "gong fu shit" each day is a drop of water in your vessel, a grain of rice in your sack, suddenly you have a whole sack of rice or a whole container filled with water, and you don't even know how it happened, as the daily progress was so miniscule, but suddenly a big shift happens. The second meditation is much slower to improve for me, but suddenly after 1 month, a slight "level up" in power came, so it's still progressing, albeit slower on a month to month basis instead of day to day. The sleeping itself, my God, the first 9-14 days were utter torture. I couldn't get comfortable, my neck, wrist and shoulders were killing me, became numb, tingled, lost sensation, joints hurt, it was unbearable. My sleep became worse, I started having creepy nightmares, I would wake up completely "wiped out" almost unable to get out of bed and function normally at work. It was hell. But suddenly after about 2 weeks a switch happened, my sleep and dreams became normal again, and my level of "feeling rested" also returned to normal again. Also the 2-step meditation done for the sleeping qigong itself happened faster and more powerfully, and more things started to take place of their own accord in my body. The qigong sets done during the day are also super duper basic, nothing spectacular in any way, shape or form, very comparable to what I've learnt from Zhongxian Wu, Chunyi Lin, ZYM, Jiang Yu Shan and so on. Very basic, very simple, yet you feel refreshed after, so it's doing something. In short, it works. 3) Conclusion So far so good. Where it can go, I have no clue. That's why I started this thread. It's been pretty tough to do daily, have seen some benefits and improvements, so it looks good, but really want to talk to someone about their long term experiences to see where it can go. Because on the site it mentions controlling your dreams, travelling in your own and others' dreams, actual astral projection where you travel the universe out of body similar to a near death experience, seeing auras, opening your third eye, predicting the future, changing the future, healing, "genuine sleep" where your heart and breathing stops for hours on end and you only need 1-2 hours of sleep pr night to feel fully rested and much more bad ass superhuman feats, you can sleep and fast for weeks on end and much more. So kind of wanted to hear from someone if they've even touched on any of these incredible benefits after 1-5 years, and was also curious about what's in the "advanced level course" you can attend after 1 year of daily practice of the basic level.

Dear Dao Bums, I'm looking for long term practitioners of Sleeping Qigong. I've been practicing the basic level daily without fail for quite some time now, and have gotten good results. Ofc true cultivation is a long term practice, and the daily practice is pretty much the point of it all, no ultimate end goal, "just do it". However, I still feel a need to talk to and discuss with other real practitioners to share experiences and talk. It's extremely nourishing to me and my soul to "just be real". Not how things are sold, packaged, marketed or "supposed to be" in some ideal fantasy world that doesn't exist. The real, unfiltered, experiential truth. Grounded in personal, practical experience, not theory or stories. Unfortunately the "don't talk about anything to anyone" is huge in qigong, and especially many Asian cultures, so it's quite difficult to really talk to anyone legit. So looking for any long term practitioners of Sleeping Qigong to share experiences with and talk about the long term effects of the practice.

Dear Dao Bums, Question for you guys Do you have any interesting experiences with Jason Read and his Jasper Lake Maoshan Daoist Magic? I have seen a few posts here on Daobums about his books on daoist magic, but none about the actual daoist magic training with him. My own few observations A fellow qigong brother here on the forum that I'm corresponding with notified me about Jasper Lake Maoshan daoist magic training. I checked out his webpages and read all that I could, and am now reading through his book "Practical Daoist Magic". Webpages: I found the webpages extremely interesting, and I definitely felt what he's sharing to be real, authentic and substantial. I tried meditating on a talisman he's posted to connect with the energy of "the fire star" or Mars, and within 5 minutes I felt heat pouring into my body and getting heated up. I was extremely suprised how fast and powerfully it worked. I took this as a sign that what's he's sharing is truly legit! Book so far: The book is the same story in the sense that it feels very legit and authentic. All the history and mythology he's sharing is perfectly in line with what I've been taught by Master Zhongxian Wu (who I've learnt from for more than 6 years), as is his explanation for yin/yang, 5 elements, 8 trigrams (bagua) stems, branches etc. of course with some slight variations in their personal interpretations. His beginning practices "to cultivate magical power" is also similar to what I've learnt from Master Wu, namely building the lower dan tien, purifying & strengthening the 5 organ system, "retriving" or calling back the spirits of your organs as well as daily mantras for purification (mind, mouth, body, surroundings, pacifying spirits, calling upon the golden light etc). The idea of jing/qi/shen as well as mantra, mudra, visualisation and posture is also similar. All in all I feel it to be very real. What I especially enjoy is that as a westerner he explains things very clearly so that it's easy to understand from a western viewpoint. He also divulges the "secrets" of how things really work and explain the whole process as well as the end result. This is something my chinese teachers never do, they simply encourage you to practice, shoot down your questions, and never explain linearly and in a straight-forward way what things are, how they work, what the process is like, what the result will be or how to measure your progress along the way. The only thing that really made me stop and wonder, was that at some point in the book he says that 30 minutes before and after practice you shouldn't eat or drink (pretty standard advice), however then immediately after he says drinking "only cool water" is allowed. This is a huge shocker! Everyone knows that Chinese never suggest cold water, it should be either hot or lukewarm. This was a big suprise for me, and made me wonder and question how everything could be feel so real and authentic, yet this one basic thing was completely "off" for how Chinese qigong/TCM/cultivation usually rolls. Actually it was such a great shock that it made me question the authenticity of everything. Even though the fire star talisman worked (which I felt to build his credibility), and the explanations feel legit too (which also builds credibility) the advice to drink cool water was so off that it made me wonder and question everything about his whole story of training in China & Malaysia etc. This is what made me write a post here on the forum, I wanted to speak to my dao brothers and sisters and hear your experiences (if any) with Jason Read and his Jasper Lake Maoshan Daoist Magic training. I look forward to hear from you!