Nei Gong systems

[Forestgreen]

On 2025-10-25 at 7:34 PM, forestofclarity said:

 

If it is permeates everywhere, it is right here and now. How does that inform one's approach? 

It's a lived experience. If it is outside of ones lived experience, for all practical purposes it is as if it doesn't exist.

[Forestgreen]

On 2025-10-25 at 7:34 PM, forestofclarity said:

 The main goal of a the teachings, in my current opinion, is to awaken people's inner connection to the Dao. 

What if that is not true? What if, for example, methods based on other goals have been interwoven in the tradition for a millenia? Then this is just one possible goal, and perhaps not the goal ones teacher is aiming for.

[forestofclarity]

On 10/28/2025 at 11:01 AM, Forestgreen said:

It's a lived experience. If it is outside of ones lived experience, for all practical purposes it is as if it doesn't exist.

 

I might suggest that this is a bit more foundational. Maybe it is dangerous of me to say without textual support, but I'd say that without the Dao, or whatever, there'd be no structure, movement, or awareness. 

 

On 10/28/2025 at 11:08 AM, Forestgreen said:

What if that is not true? What if, for example, methods based on other goals have been interwoven in the tradition for a millenia? Then this is just one possible goal, and perhaps not the goal ones teacher is aiming for.

 

I'm cool if whatever concepts bubbling through my mind are shown to be wrong. From a certain point of view, they are all limited and don't really hold up. 

 

I'm curious though on what you mean though about "based on other goals interwoven in the tradition?" What would be an example? 

[ChiDragon]

3 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

Maybe it is dangerous of me to say without textual support,

Isn't textual support is somebody else's words without textual support to begin with?

[Forestgreen]

On 2025-10-30 at 12:14 AM, forestofclarity said:

 

I'm curious though on what you mean though about "based on other goals interwoven in the tradition?" What would be an example? 

Schools of neidan that mixes methods aimed at different leveks of xian, schools of neidan that mixes those methods with thunder rites. A certain buddhist tradition ( mine) that mixes alchemical methods with what was first schamanistic methods for affecting life but then devolved into methods of how to hurt people (poison hands).

Stuff like that.

[forestofclarity]

On 10/31/2025 at 5:51 AM, Forestgreen said:

Schools of neidan that mixes methods aimed at different leveks of xian, schools of neidan that mixes those methods with thunder rites. A certain buddhist tradition ( mine) that mixes alchemical methods with what was first schamanistic methods for affecting life but then devolved into methods of how to hurt people (poison hands).

Stuff like that.

 

Your school sounds really awesome!

This is not unlike Tantra. In Tantra, traditionally one starts with the highest methods, but there is a whole structure of other methods for different types of people depending on their particular circumstances and capacities. In other words, methods aimed at providing health and wealth are not there necessarily for hedonistic pleasure, but to bring one along to the ultimate way. It is difficult to practice if you're sick, hungry, or worried. And some of these also lead one to increase certain inner qualities by providing services to others.

 

And to get one's health and magical practices to work, arguably one needs to begin to align with the ultimate in some way. 

 

 

 

 

[Kodoninja]

I practice Wu style Taiji from a Wu Tu Nan lineage as well as Yu Xian Pai Neidan and between that and Zhan Zhuang… some days it’s hard to do both.

 

I have also noticed I have to space out the Taiji Qigong(from Wu Tu Nan) with some of the Neidan methods by several hours. And the Taiji I also have to watch out for certain hours of the day because it’s much more activating. So I would say it depends on the systems you are practicing. 
 

Some methods mesh well together and can get a boost from other methods. While some other methods would directly conflict with each other and could cause you to go out of balance(into deviation). You’re better off gaining the experience with one system so you can manage your own state and Yin/Yang balance before incorporating other systems/methods.

Edited November 8, 2025 by Kodoninja

[cake1234566]

I practiced multiple systems for a number of years, i dont recommend it not for energetic reasons but because system hopping makes you miss the point

Once you get some experience you'll realize how silly it is to collect rigid intellectual structures to realize the formless

[Aleksandr]

In fact, since the checkpoints for all lineages are often the same, the inner core of all practices is often identical.
 

At a basic level, it's possible to empty the mind for 3-4 hours. Same with Wang Liping, vipassana, or Mo Pai.
 

The only difference is in some external movements and rituals. And most of those gurus who advocate not mixing different lineages are actually concerned with monetizing spirituality and their bank accounts.

[Antares]

On 08.11.2025 at 7:21 AM, Kodoninja said:

I practice Wu style Taiji from a Wu Tu Nan lineage as well as Yu Xian Pai Neidan and between that and Zhan Zhuang… some days it’s hard to do both.

 

On 08.11.2025 at 7:21 AM, Kodoninja said:

Some methods mesh well together and can get a boost from other methods. While some other methods would directly conflict with each other and could cause you to go out of balance(into deviation)

 

The most important thing is HOW you do it. In YXP they actually do "warm up" before they do 5 organs exercises. That warm up is part of daogong system that is comprised of a few IMA exercises and if you do it right it is good way to activate your channels before you do anything else. Also there are few more secret exercises from neigong/XingYi some instructors taught which are very good to mesh with anything else you do. Nothing wrong with channels activation if it is done correctly. But if you take some random exercises from other systems and mesh them randomly there can be conflict of course. Correct warm up is quite important but it is not easy to find it, in most cases people do it incorrectly and also they add other exercises not having understanding of what they do