Asking for something in a prayer

[idquest]

As a rule, when we ask for something, there is a price to pay. For example, asking for something from a devil usually involves a some kind of spiritual payment, like selling one's soul, as saints and christian scholars teach us (I could be wrong here, please correct me then).

 

But is not the same transactional rule apply when followers ask for something from their deities, such as Jesus, Allah, Buddha, etc.? Do people accrue a 'spiritual credit card' liability when asking for things from their deities?

[Lairg]

A woman was very pleased with a text from her ex.  She showed me and said:  He has moved past transactional relationship

 

Perhaps the gods of humanity are less evolved than that man. 

 

I would look for entities that are not  transactional.

 

46 minutes ago, idquest said:

like selling one's soul

 

In the ancient Egyptian and Kabbalistic systems the human format has 5 souls.

 

The middle soul corresponds with the Christian soul.   But the soul intelligence that approaches suitable humans has a temporary relationship with them - while the human establishes the stages of enlightenment.

 

The solar angel (holy guardian angel) comes from the solar system to help.  It is too profound to partake in transactional relationships.  

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Lairg

[Sanity Check]

If the question is how God does things.

 

Then it might be answered...

 

How does the being who caused the Big Bang to occur in order for the universe to be created answer prayers.

 

Entities of partial value and capacity use transactional methods due to their limited volume and energy.

 

God's energy and volume would be infinite transcending mere physical limits.

 

Like a nurturing parent, God would want people to pray to develop a relationship and ask for help when needed.

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, idquest said:

As a rule, when we ask for something, there is a price to pay. For example, asking for something from a devil usually involves a some kind of spiritual payment, like selling one's soul, as saints and christian scholars teach us (I could be wrong here, please correct me then).

 

Yes you are wrong ...  and so where the 'saints and Christian scholars'   ( if that indeed is what they taught us  ? )   . 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, idquest said:

 

But is not the same transactional rule apply when followers ask for something from their deities, such as Jesus, Allah, Buddha, etc.?

 

In  some religions magic is permissible as long as it is attributed to its deity or clergy .  For  other to get involved in magic it is considered evil and attributed to evil forces .  Figure that one out !   

 

 

 

3 hours ago, idquest said:

 

Do people accrue a 'spiritual credit card' liability when asking for things from their deities?

 

 

No .   

 

Did you ever have to pay your Mother back ?    (  I mean,  for all the stuff you where given and asked for as a child . )

[idquest]

9 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

If the question is how God does things.

 

Then it might be answered...

 

How does the being who caused the Big Bang to occur in order for the universe to be created answer prayers.

 

Entities of partial value and capacity use transactional methods due to their limited volume and energy.

 

God's energy and volume would be infinite transcending mere physical limits.

 

Like a nurturing parent, God would want people to pray to develop a relationship and ask for help when needed.

 

 

So God wants to have a relationship in exchange for service?

[idquest]

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Yes you are wrong ...  and so where the 'saints and Christian scholars'   ( if that indeed is what they taught us  ? )   . 

 

 

Care to elaborate?

 

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

In  some religions magic is permissible as long as it is attributed to its deity or clergy .  For  other to get involved in magic it is considered evil and attributed to evil forces .  Figure that one out !   

 

 

This one is easy - this is just a fight for control and power 

 

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

No .   

 

Did you ever have to pay your Mother back ?    (  I mean,  for all the stuff you where given and asked for as a child . )

 

It is strange that when talking about transactions, people think that transactions are limited to the monetary ones. Monetary transactions are the cheapest in value. 

I believe that most people pay their mothers back by being emotionally attached to them and in long term family relationship with them. Nobody here talks about dollar amounts, although some people could. 

[Sherman Krebbs]

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

In  some religions magic is permissible as long as it is attributed to its deity or clergy .

 

I have thought about this.  It is very interesting.   I sometimes go to this Lutheran church by me.  I don't understand much, since its in a language I only pretend to understand, but I love the organ music and the rituals they conduct are absolutely breathtaking.  They sing these magical chants, and then, if you want you can go up and drink the blood of their guru and a baked cracker.  I sometimes sneak up there and have some.  I might go to hell.  Its funny, though, the blood tastes a little like wine.  It is really a magnificent experience, a magical ceremony of purification, which if delivered by any other means, or understood as magic, might be highly objectionable to those participating.   They also wear magical sigils on their cloaks.  The sigils and rituals change from season to season.  I don't know why , nor the spells that they use when the adorn them, but I am sure there are some and that they are quite elaborate. And the building is covered in symbols and has a massive picture of their guru, lying naked, save a conveniently dangling loose towel, dying on a cross ominously overseeing the dias, and constantly reminding of the pain and suffering in life, but also the resurrection and redemption from that pain and suffering that can be achieved by accepting his blessing.  It is really cool, but the point is that, until recently, I never really understood it as a magical ceremony. Most people involved in it would probably not understand it as such, but it is. And I say this as one who does not really practice magic, or really practice anything at all for that matter, excepting laughter.