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3 minutes ago, moment said:

 

Well, if you are not going to do  any of that stuff above, or intrude inappropriately on others' threads, we can always do with some lighter hearted stuff here. 

 

Agreed. He just came in with either some very bad timing while we are already burned, or some very good timing when a little light humor and playfulness could help. 

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4 hours ago, manitou said:

I don't know if this qualifies or not.

 

A couple years ago, one of the Bums who lived in Australia, made a appeal to anyone who considered themselves a weather shaman to do what they could for his little town in Australia (toward the northeast, if I remember).  A category 5 tornado was heading straight toward the small town and it was to hit within hours.

 

I know many of us were concerned.  I don't know what methods other Bums used, but I pulled out an atlas and put a drinking glass face down over his town in Australia, symbolizing a high pressure zone, and did a little ceremony to put the high pressure in place so the tornado would avoid it.  I know others did their methods too.  After the danger had passed, he posted that the tornado took a little eastward jog just north of his little town and then headed south again.  Bypassed them like a little 90 degree angle.

 

He merely said something like "Well, the tornado just took a little jog" and sort of minimized the whole thing.  I said that I hoped that weather shamans get paid up front.

 

I participated.  It was my second attempt at hurricane management.  The first one I was actually smack in the middle of -- Irene -- when 2.5 million people got evacuation orders and Manhattan was expected to share the fate of Atlantis and so on and nothing much wound up happening.  The night everybody was bracing for the landfall I was in a hotel that had no power and was inhabited by a stranded Canadian hockey team and no one else -- the personnel chose to flee.  Those guys rolled all the chairs on castors they could find out into the corridor and raced each other riding those chairs, lit by candles and lightnings and glowing cigarettes, and there was absolutely nothing out of the ordinary life about the whole scene, the wind and rain picking up and suddenly I was transported back to the rain forest where I got my crash course in rain management.  So I stepped outside and stood in the rain and spent a good hour diffusing the hurricane -- no, I don't have scientific proof, or any other kind.  And, no, I can't manipulate the climate -- just what I was taught, extreme rainy weather threatening life and limb, nothing else.  And no, I can't undrought a drought or turn Africa into Seattle or London.  

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26 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

I participated.  It was my second attempt at hurricane management.  The first one I was actually smack in the middle of -- Irene -- when 2.5 million people got evacuation orders and Manhattan was expected to share the fate of Atlantis and so on and nothing much wound up happening.  The night everybody was bracing for the landfall I was in a hotel that had no power and was inhabited by a stranded Canadian hockey team and no one else -- the personnel chose to flee.  Those guys rolled all the chairs on castors they could find out into the corridor and raced each other riding those chairs, lit by candles and lightnings and glowing cigarettes, and there was absolutely nothing out of the ordinary life about the whole scene, the wind and rain picking up and suddenly I was transported back to the rain forest where I got my crash course in rain management.  So I stepped outside and stood in the rain and spent a good hour diffusing the hurricane -- no, I don't have scientific proof, or any other kind.  And, no, I can't manipulate the climate -- just what I was taught, extreme rainy weather threatening life and limb, nothing else.  And no, I can't undrought a drought or turn Africa into Seattle or London.  

 

Aaaaw, come on now, give my seattle a break!:D

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8 hours ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

One thing you should know about me, I don't take myself seriously at all, I make fun of myself more than anyone can. I'm really not at all bothered by what people say, I get flack online, offline, you name it but I'm unapologetically me. I've walked down the street and been physically attacked for the way I dress, I've experienced everything. Not everyone will resonate with it but that's not my goal, I'm here to meet people who may have similar interests and I'm here to learn from people who are polar opposites to me.

 

I like that attitude, and can identify with it.  I sincerely believe that you can't become a Taoist wizard by reading a book, and I've known a couple of them.  Also, my 'family' generally take the Ninja attitude of not standing out or wearing costumes, but staying in the shadows.  In fact I know that a lot of people who wear tai chi costumes are amateurs.  I, and many others, naturaly assume that showing off in fancy costumes is because a person is trying to make up for something  :D    

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10 hours ago, Walker said:

 

Serious question, though...

 

Am I right in thinking you're a disciple in a lineage in Tibetan Buddhism?

I was a disciple of a Daoist master and studied, trained, and taught with intensity and a strong sense of duty and obligation for about 13 years. I'd prefer not to get into the details but I ended that relationship and found my current teacher and lineage in Bön. I no longer identify as a disciple. My current relationship has developed with no requirement or expectation of fealty from my teacher and no feeling of obligation or duty on my side. I feel devotion, love, trust, and enormous gratitude because I've seen profound, beneficial changes in my life as a result of my practice. Furthermore, my teacher has instilled in me the realization that this is all about me. I'm the one that needs to do the work. I have the tools I need. I have access to him when I need it and I'm to the point such that when I have a question or doubt, I hear his voice and see his face and know the answer. I'm not saying I'm a master at all, but I don't feel that umbilical cord and yoke of discipleship. I feel the freedom of spontaneous devotion. It's very different for me. I think it's important to make this point, sorry for so many words.

 

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Since I saw you welcoming ChiDragon back, I could not help but wonder whether you would not have a somewhat (or significantly) more cautious attitude if people like him and "Lord" Josh were showing up here as self-declared masters of Dzogchen and Mahamudra, complete with (like with ChiDragon) a curriculum based on Baidu searches or (like with Josh Allen) a ngakpa's robes or a Karmapa's Black Crown, bought off of Amazon or TaoBao.

I like ChiDragon. I think he is passionate and open, albeit deeply misguided. If you look back at my interaction with him when he was here before you'll see I have no illusions about his level of competence. He is self-taught and his practice and understanding are fundamentally flawed, IMO. I take nothing he says seriously but it's my hope that he may learn something from his interactions here and grow as a practitioner as a result. While he certainly does try to give the impression that he has a level of deep understanding and mastery, he also generally shows respect to others and an openness to criticism to a degree. There are lots of self-declared masters that come and go here in all sorts of disciplines. I decide for myself what their level of skill and understanding are and agree that it's good for us to give warnings to the less confident members about people like this. 

 

I haven't seen anything like that yet from Josh. Yes, he wears robes and I have no clue how legitimate they are. I'm not bothered by people wearing unusual or exotic outfits. That's their prerogative. I try to notice when judgement comes up toward others and look at what that says about me and where I want to be in my practice and my treatment of strangers. I am on a path of reducing judgement and cultivating acceptance of others for who they are. There is a line, however, and when I see disrespectful or abusive behavior I do tend to become very protective of the vulnerable. 

 

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Tibetan Buddhism takes transmission, empowerment, and lineage extremely seriously. So does Daoism. Would you be cool with it if a self-[taught/deluded] Lord Jane Doe came here with videos waving a sci-fi sword at the sky claiming to be a "Tibetan Buddhist" who is versed the cycle of teachings Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje apparently was? 

Yes, Tibetan Buddhism and Daoism take things very seriously. That is wonderful and valuable, it helps to keep the lineage alive and uncorrupted and the teachings pure. I am responsible for my own attitudes and behavior in my relationship with my path and lineage. I am not the sheriff of Bön. I try not to judge others for their choices in their relationship with their path. There are protectors of the lineages and that is their responsibility as well as that of the lineage holders. I personally would never wear robes that I did not earn but if I felt offense with someone else doing that, I would discuss that with them directly and openly, whether in public or private. I would not assault them with insults and ridicule due to the festering of unexpressed emotion. That goes directly against the nature of my personal practice. 

 

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(Btw, ummmmm, bragging about having cars, private drivers, and thrones (lol) is definitely bragging. That's cool, though, players gonna play, haters gonna hate. I appreciate that Josh has a sense of good humor along with his braggadocio and passion for sartorial pomp.)

Yes, I agree with you.

Perhaps he is bragging, perhaps he just has a psychological need for attention, maybe he just loves flashy colors and clothes and cars, and maybe he's tripping... who knows? My current approach is to see what he is showing me and, far more importantly, see what reaction it brings up in me. Whatever comes up for me, I try to be aware and simply leave it as it is. If something needs to be done, it will happen, as it did regarding Jeff and his crew.

 

I really appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me. 

Peace

 

PS - I do get where you’re coming from and respect it, for me what is important is what we do with that

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6 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Agreed. He just came in with either some very bad timing while we are already burned, or some very good timing when a little light humor and playfulness could help. 

 

His timing was neither good nor bad, it just is. 

What counts is my reaction.

That's also neither good nor bad, it is what it is and it is all about who I am, not who he is.

That's my path.

He's stuck with his...

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8 hours ago, moment said:

 

Well, if you are not going to do  any of that stuff above, or intrude inappropriately on others' threads, we can always do with some lighter hearted stuff here. 

I hear you. If you are looking for some escapism and entertainment, I make green screen productions with special effects and lots of editing. It makes a nice change from the heavy subjects. 

 

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11 hours ago, ralis said:

 

I doubt you will learn much here given that the real stuff is hard won and generally transmitted by a teacher! 

 

 

For me, part of the beauty of TDB is it can put people in contact with wonderful and effective teachers and practices.  I´ve learned a lot here.  It´s not so much that I´ve learned directly from posts, although that too, more that people have told me about things and I´ve followed up in the real world.  As a direct result of practices I´ve read about here I´ve gone to events with teachers in Colorado, Vermont, California, Hawaii.  I´ve also participated in several online workshops.  It´s been great.  (Do I sound like I´m bragging?  Please don´t throw tomatoes.)   

 

I wish Lord Josh Allen a similarly rich learning journey!

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1 minute ago, liminal_luke said:

 

For me, part of the beauty of TDB is it can put people in contact with wonderful and effective teachers and practices.  I´ve learned a lot here.  It´s not so much that I´ve learned directly from posts, although that too, more that people have told me about things and I´ve followed up in the real world.  As a direct result of practices I´ve read about here I´ve gone to events with teachers in Colorado, Vermont, California, Hawaii.  I´ve also participated in several online workshops.  It´s been great.  (Do I sound like I´m bragging?  Please don´t throw tomatoes.)   

 

I wish Lord Josh Allen a similarly rich learning journey!

 

I also don’t learn that much from information or opinions that are posted. I have learned some great lessons from watching how people treat others (good and bad), and even greater lessons from learning to watch how I react to and treat others (good and bad).

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48 minutes ago, steve said:

 

 I have learned some great lessons from watching how people treat others (good and bad), and even greater lessons from learning to watch how I react to and treat others (good and bad).

 

Opportunities for this style of learning have been increasing for me of late.  Is the weather changing?

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1 hour ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

I hear you. If you are looking for some escapism and entertainment, I make green screen productions with special effects and lots of editing. It makes a nice change from the heavy subjects. 

 

 

Are you here as an entertainer or interested in being serious? As of now, I don't take you or your claim of being a Daoist weather maker seriously!

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15 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Opportunities for this style of learning have been increasing for me of late.  Is the weather changing?

Definitely! 

The clouds are dissipating and when that happens the sun can’t help but shine.

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:) About "Weather magick" -- Yes I know of one teacher in my lineage who encouraged his students to practice affecting weather. Unfortunately he is no more in this world -- but from what I've heard, he was legit. 

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Jung was pretty out of the loop.  Here's a few books randomly off my shelf that I would recommend on the subject:

 

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3 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

Jung was pretty out of the loop.  Here's a few books randomly off my shelf that I would recommend on the subject:

 

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I posted it given from what I know Jung was correct on that. It was not meant as a summation or even a brief overview of shamanism, but one little point to the OP of this thread. A warning not to play with fire as the OP seems to have a penchant for.

 

Thanks for the reading list! I would also include Mircea Eliade's seminal work on Shamanism.

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38 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

I posted it given from what I know Jung was correct on that. It was not meant as a summation or even a brief overview of shamanism, but one little point to the OP of this thread. A warning not to play with fire as the OP seems to have a penchant for.

 

Thanks for the reading list! I would also include Mircea Eliade's seminal work on Shamanism.

 

Thank you.  I read Mircea Eliade of course, and Joseph Campbell, and some (not enough) of Joseph Needham, and scores (probably over a hundred in each language I know well enough) of other books great and small that touch on shamanism or are directly concerned with it, it's just that I didn't collect them all, since many were borrowings and also because I practice minimalism and donate books as soon as my storage capacity starts overflowing. 

 

Yes, it's true that one is better off not dabbling in shamanic practices without a modicum of caution (to put it mildly) -- one thing I noticed though was that the OP's initial post referenced Jerry Alan Johnson who is no dabbler by any stretch of imagination, and another thing is... about Jung -- methinks he drags his "collective unconscious" which is a familiar stomping ground for him into matters that he hasn't the foggiest about.  In other words, he is being a dabbler and ought to have been a lot more cautious. :)   

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6 hours ago, Starjumper said:

 

I like that attitude, and can identify with it.  I sincerely believe that you can't become a Taoist wizard by reading a book, and I've known a couple of them.  Also, my 'family' generally take the Ninja attitude of not standing out or wearing costumes, but staying in the shadows.  In fact I know that a lot of people who wear tai chi costumes are amateurs.  I, and many others, naturaly assume that showing off in fancy costumes is because a person is trying to make up for something  :D    

I agree 100 percent that you can't become an expert on anything just by reading a book. 

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20 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

Thank you.  I read Mircea Eliade of course, and Joseph Campbell, and some (not enough) of Joseph Needham, and scores (probably over a hundred in each language I know well enough) of other books great and small that touch on shamanism or are directly concerned with it, it's just that I didn't collect them all, since many were borrowings and also because I practice minimalism and donate books as soon as my storage capacity starts overflowing. 

 

Yes, it's true that one is better off not dabbling in shamanic practices without a modicum of caution (to put it mildly) -- one thing I noticed though was that the OP's initial post referenced Jerry Alan Johnson who is no dabbler by any stretch of imagination, and another thing is... about Jung -- methinks he drags his "collective unconscious" which is a familiar stomping ground for him into matters that he hasn't the foggiest about.  In other words, he is being a dabbler and ought to have been a lot more cautious. :)   


Thanks for your thoughtful response!

 

I owned all of Jung’s writings at one time and read most of what is far too voluminous for many lifetimes. I too grew weary about his extensive lecturing on the collective unconscious. 

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18 minutes ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

I agree 100 percent that you can't become an expert on anything just by reading a book. 

 

OK, good.  if I recall correctly you said you got your information from books.  I also know that Jerry Johnson is very knowledgeable about Taoist magic, and I guess someone who is smart can learn a lot from them.  Did you happen to have an in person teacher? 

 

I myself learned a kind of magic that is never found in books and is a spontaneous result of doing a proper nei kung practice, which can only be learned in person.  I don't even know most of them silly words that these bookophiles toss around here, nor do I need to.  I like plain English.

 

Anyway, if you enjoy slinging crap from time to time, you came to the right place.  Most of the crap slingers here don't enjoy it, much to their dismay.  Self honesty is difficult to come by these days.

 

My chi kung teacher told me some bits about controlling the weather, and I had an Indian buddy who claimed to do it.  Both were focussed more on calling the sun into cloudy Seattle.  I tried it a couple of times and lost interest.

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I'm a massive fan of The Three Kingdoms, I make a lot of videos on the mythology and history. Is anyone here familiar with the story from the novel Romance of The Three Kingdoms, chapter 49 to be exact? An example of Taoist sorcery used to change the weather, known quite famously as "Kongming Borrows The Southeastern Winds At The Red Cliffs" The story goes that during the years of 208-209 the two kingdoms of Wu and Shu-Han had joined forces to form a coalition army against the massive naval fleet of Cao Wei, led by Cao Cao. The allied forces were massively outnumbered and in order to obtain victory, strategies, schemes and cunning plans had to be made. In the novel it states that Zhou Yu (Gongjin) and Zhuge Liang (Kongming) both came up with the same plan, to launch a fire attack on Wei's fleet of ships. The preparations for this attack were carried out but Zhou Yu had forgotten to consider the direction of the wind which during Winter was blowing from the Northwest where it should be blowing from the Southeast. 

 

If the allies had attempted to launch this attack, the flames would destroy their own ships. Zhou Yu realizes his plan is in jeopardy and he falls ill with worry. Kongming goes to visit him and offers him an incredible solution, he tells Zhou Yu that he has the ability to influence the winds and the rains by using Taoist weather magick. Kongming asks for a special outdoor altar to be constructed, known as "The Altar of The Seven Stars" which must be built in accordance with the rites. It must be nine spans high, with three steps, guarded by 120 specially selected men. On the altar were several flags, in the South were seven red flags to represent The Red Vermillion Bird. In the North, seven black flags to represent The Dark Warrior (Black Tortoise) In the West, seven white flags to represent The White Tiger and finally in the East, seven blue/green flags to represent The Dragon. There is a lot more to this, if you want to know more about the altar I recommend you watch my documentary on the subject. 

 

In short, Kongming robed himself as a Taoist, he wore black robes as this is known to attract dark stormy clouds. Weather magick is deeply connected to Sympathetic Magick. An example of this would be in certain Tao schools, weather practitioners would dance naked around a burning fire, as they sweat, the drops of sweat represent raindrops, therefore the belief is that this would encourage rainfall. Kongming paced The Northern Dipper, performed incantations and Hand Seals and changed the direction of the winds to Southeast. As a result, the battle was a decisive victory for the allies. I hope you have found this informative. 

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20 hours ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

I'll drive through in my big black Jag! I can't resist a humble brag about my car. Any car guys on here? 5e44b22017a79_47989716872_cc5d5c711d_o(1).thumb.jpg.d0e96831db7ec5a7db054291efd9f3db.jpg

 

 

Sort of .... I used to own one of these ;

 

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I see in your photo you have mastered  that old joke ;

 

A guy takes his friend for a drive in his new Rolls Royce   .....  ( or a Jaguar  if you like ) .  he turns to his friend and

 

" I bet you have never been for a ride in one of these before ! "

 

" Well, no    ........ not in the front seat .  "

 

In my case .... I was always in the front seat ... and my passengers would be in the back ,  scoffing my goodies out the onboard mini cocktail bar    :(

 

Nowadays I go 'new  retro '

 

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[ Your style   ( personal image / presentation ) reminds me of an old friend  ' Ram Ayani '  (aka 'Sam' ) ]

 

Anyway ,  I was going to respond to the weather magic .... hang on    weather  MAGICK  topic  ( I did that just for Starjumper   :)  )

 

but I thought to finish reading through the thread first   (if I make it to the end ) .

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21 hours ago, Lord Josh Allen said:

Hey! I never claimed to be a Saint, I'm not an immortal or a perfected being. I'm not a guru looking to get students, I don't even offer any formal lessons. I'm just someone who walks the path of Weathermancy and I want to spread the importance of it to others. Does England need it? Well sometimes it does but I can't fix all of the world's problems. I help when I can and most importantly when I am ASKED. I'm a grey arts magician, I'm not Left-Hand Path or Right-Hand Path, I walk the Middle Path. It will take a lot more than one person to make a massive difference. There is nothing worse than someone who believes he can save the world. Besides, what's wrong with ostentation? 

 

 

I cant resist being distracted     :)

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Walker said:

 

Word up.

 

Howzabout this:

 

You, being from a family rich enough that your parents trust you to drive their car, can evidently afford a plane ticket to Aus, no problem. So, you go there, and @Nungali (sorry to volunteer you, mate) can help find a nice spot where nobody will object to you setting up your altar and donning your costume (I am pretty sure Nungali knows most of the "weirdos welcome" grassy knolls in Oz). You put out the forest fires, and I will personally lead a fund raising drive on this site to reimburse your plane ticket and I will also try my best to browbeat people into not making fun of you.

 

 

DAMN YOU   !   BASTARD !  

 

Now look what you have gone and instigated !   :angry:

 

 

 

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