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@Starjumper mentioned the book The Magus of Strovolos somewhere in this forum; I happened to find it in the internet so I started reading it and I’m really enjoying it (thanks ;))

 

The “magus” mentions beings like elementals; I have also read about these creatures in other books / articles under the names of thought forms, larvae, etc.

 

In the book Daskalos says:

 

We give birth to such elementals with our thoughts and sentiments. Once 'projected' they have an existence of their own and can affect those around us that 'vibrate' on the same frequency

 

So I'd like to ask those with the ability to see these (and others) invisible beings that supposedly surround us on a daily basis:

 

Are these beings really out there interfering in our lives? How is that even possible? Do we human beings really create beings with an independent existence that easily? Are they somehow intelligent beings? Do they have feelings?

 

I’d be more interested in reading about your experiences, not the theory of this topic.

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Its called larva, yes they exist. .

 

Same way your physical body is a host to bacteria, viruses, fungi, worms, and parasites.

 

Read my posts, I have talked about it somewhere

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Well there are animals and plants to begin with.   What do they represent ?   And the celestial objects.
And if you look into the eyes of a "person" you will see that what is inside is not necessarily the same from one to the other.
And that's before you even get in to "what's out there".

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2 hours ago, J Warg said:

@Starjumper mentioned the book The Magus of Strovolos somewhere in this forum; I happened to find it in the internet so I started reading it and I’m really enjoying it (thanks ;))

 

The “magus” mentions beings like elementals; I have also read about these creatures in other books / articles under the names of thought forms, larvae, etc.

 

In the book Daskalos says:

 

We give birth to such elementals with our thoughts and sentiments. Once 'projected' they have an existence of their own and can affect those around us that 'vibrate' on the same frequency

 

So I'd like to ask those with the ability to see these (and others) invisible beings that supposedly surround us on a daily basis:

 

Are these beings really out there interfering in our lives? How is that even possible? Do we human beings really create beings with an independent existence that easily? Are they somehow intelligent beings? Do they have feelings?

 

I’d be more interested in reading about your experiences, not the theory of this topic.

 

I have met many such beings. There are many different types of energy/light beings and it is definitely not as simple as humans giving birth to such beings (but that is possible). Specifically with elementals, I have interacted with three of them. One was like a giant puppy that just wanted someone to notice and play with him. Another had been chained and tortured hundreds of years ago as a power source for more negative magic. It was kind of crazy like a storm and needed to be released. The third was in the mountains and more like an old mountain man that didn’t really move and just radiated energy that destabilized things.

 

Higher beings and negative beings are much different.

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I wouldn't say interfering is the right word, maybe more like influencing but usually very slight.  A lot of the time the entities are weak when created by 'accident' and they will dissipate, however if someone with psychic power works on it with dedication and strong intent then they can create an entity that can have a lot of staying power and even be heard and seen by those that don't have psychic sight or hearing.

 

There are different kinds of entities, some that are created with intent and power can be independent, but there is another kind, where you create it and wear it like a mask.  This is useful in some self defense situations :), if you use it at just the right instant it can work even on someone who is not psychic.  I can't say what the method is here but I have done it some, and I suppose no one here can guess what my entity/mask is  = ) although one shaman around here saw it even when I wasn't focussing on it.

 

It looks something like this, except right when the attacker has committed and gets his split second of tunnel vision he gets quite impressionable, at which point it shows its teeth and makes a little snarling sound.  Works like magic ... or something.

 

Luckily the kids around here don't have that kind of power.

 

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11 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

I wouldn't say interfering is the right word, maybe more like influencing but usually very slight. 

 

Ha, do you know the story of evil shaman, who was starving himself to death while constantly thinking about food / starving a group of people to death while showing them delicios food and smells constantly. In the end result is same, creation of omnipotent parasite with endless desire to eat.

 

That could be later taken out and injected into a victim.

 

Actually as long as parasites dont get critical mass they are easy to deal, but eventually, if taken years of well feeding, they can grow to an extent being able to completely dominate human being, taking all their energy and willpower and intent, and human is left powerless / hopeless in despair.

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1 hour ago, GSmaster said:

Ha, do you know the story of evil shaman, who was starving himself to death while constantly thinking about food / starving a group of people to death while showing them delicios food and smells constantly. In the end result is same, creation of omnipotent parasite with endless desire to eat.

 

That could be later taken out and injected into a victim.

 

No, I have not heard of that one, but wow, that's heavy duty stuff there.  Tsk, tsk, so much evil, luckily it's more attracted to its own kind.

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5 hours ago, J Warg said:

@Starjumper mentioned the book The Magus of Strovolos somewhere in this forum; I happened to find it in the internet so I started reading it and I’m really enjoying it (thanks ;))

 

The “magus” mentions beings like elementals; I have also read about these creatures in other books / articles under the names of thought forms, larvae, etc.

 

In the book Daskalos says:

 

We give birth to such elementals with our thoughts and sentiments. Once 'projected' they have an existence of their own and can affect those around us that 'vibrate' on the same frequency

 

So I'd like to ask those with the ability to see these (and others) invisible beings that supposedly surround us on a daily basis:

 

Are these beings really out there interfering in our lives? How is that even possible? Do we human beings really create beings with an independent existence that easily? Are they somehow intelligent beings? Do they have feelings?

 

I’d be more interested in reading about your experiences, not the theory of this topic.

This is a reference to a relatively harmless small group that enjoys what excites you. They do not have intention to harm and have little to work with - they are very simple and automated.

 

However they can cause great mischief through no fault or malign intent of their own - nor are they “negative beings” or stuck beings.

 

They enjoy what excites you and act to foster that excitement.

 

If one is mired in mind loops of hate or highly positioned politics or religion or lust or raging passions - they will help to facilitate all aspects in you that help to promote inducing the tipping points to the rising up of those often out of control aspects of dissipation in you.

 

They can do this in helping you to eat or drink poorly, by resonating to vibrations that irritate or stimulate,

by blocking pathways or rerouting as best they can.

 

They do not do this diabolically but by acclimating to your addictions and simply coming to mechanically “understand” the trigger points of your automation and trance properties. Nearly all humans are asleep entirely and don’t take a great Consciousness to find the automated habituations.

 

As these wider swings subside - these little “entities” subside. 

 

 

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Hello all and thank you for your comments :D

 

20 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Its called larva, yes they exist. .

 

Same way your physical body is a host to bacteria, viruses, fungi, worms, and parasites.

 

Read my posts, I have talked about it somewhere

 

I haven't found your posts on this topic yet but I'll keep on reading you, very informative indeed.

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Hi Starjumper,

 

18 hours ago, Starjumper said:

I wouldn't say interfering is the right word, maybe more like influencing but usually very slight.  A lot of the time the entities are weak when created by 'accident' and they will dissipate, however if someone with psychic power works on it with dedication and strong intent then they can create an entity that can have a lot of staying power and even be heard and seen by those that don't have psychic sight or hearing.

 

 

 

That's scary... Lucky there are not many people that powerfull out there so dedicated to create those harmfull beings, right? I'm more concerned about those little (or not so little, I don't know!) creatures that one can create out of our own hates, lust, desires... who feed on our bad energies and influence us in the wrong way just to keep on feeding on us.

 

How can we counteract their power?

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Perhaps conversely, I'd like to ask those with the ability to see these (and others) visible beings that supposedly surround us on a daily basis:

 

Are these beings really out there interfering in our lives? How is that even possible? Do we human beings really create beings with an independent existence that easily? Are they somehow intelligent beings? Do they have feelings?

 

How can we counteract their power?

 

The answers may be in the reasons for the questions, either way.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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Hi David,

 

18 hours ago, Starjumper said:

I wouldn't say interfering is the right word, maybe more like influencing but usually very slight.  A lot of the time the entities are weak when created by 'accident' and they will dissipate, however if someone with psychic power works on it with dedication and strong intent then they can create an entity that can have a lot of staying power and even be heard and seen by those that don't have psychic sight or hearing.

 

 

 

Thank you for your explanation, it really helps to clarify the mechanics of those beings.

 

In the book it's also explained that these larvas not only affect / influence us but also the people around us... For example, if I feel envious towards a friend of mine, these larvas will try to increase my envy (to keep on feeding on me) and will harm my friend somehow ... 

 

How comes that we can harm the people around us without us knowing it? 

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13 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

Perhaps conversely, I'd like to ask those with the ability to see these (and others) visible beings that supposedly surround us on a daily basis:

 

Are these beings really out there interfering in our lives? How is that even possible? Do we human beings really create beings with an independent existence that easily? Are they somehow intelligent beings? Do they have feelings?

 

How can we counteract their power?

 

The answers may be in the reasons for the questions, either way.

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

 

Hi @VonKrankenhaus,

 

Sorry, but I don't get what you mean. And this happens to me most of the time I read you on this forum, perhaps for the little time dedicated to the edition of your posts, most of the time looks chaotic...

 

In this case, are you quoting me? Are you repeating deliberately my posts?

 

I'm sorry but I'm this slow :(

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57 minutes ago, J Warg said:

I haven't found your posts on this topic

 

 

 

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Think about a powerful drive to some addictive behavior you have. It feels like something influencing you, right? It can harm others around you too? Would you call it a spirit that you made? Hmmm. Maybe. 

 

When I read that part of the book, my impression was daskalos was trying to make his students aware that their thoughts are powerful and can manifest in the real world. But the idea that we are generating sentient beings on a regular basis is just not my experience. 

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4 hours ago, J Warg said:

Thank you for your explanation, it really helps to clarify the mechanics of those beings.

 

In the book it's also explained that these larvas not only affect / influence us but also the people around us... For example, if I feel envious towards a friend of mine, these larvas will try to increase my envy (to keep on feeding on me) and will harm my friend somehow ... 

 

In this kind of situation we can get into a problem with definitions, and that problem causes a lot of holy wars on internet forums.  I don't expect one of those here though.

 

It has been a long time since I read The Magus of Strovolos so I'm not sure what they say about it in there.  To me an entity means something that has an independent existence as an actual being of some kind, with spirit and emotions; in which case the psychic 'mask' that I made may not really qualify as an entity ... unless it becomes independent and gets sassy ... hmm, maybe that's where all the sass comes from  :)

 

Those other things that people create by accident I think of more like thought forms.  I never heard of larva so I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

 

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How comes that we can harm the people around us without us knowing it? 

 

Concerning the lower power 'accidental' stuff, the thought forms.  It seems more like a transfer between people on a psychic or energy level.  People absorb energy (chi) from others all the time and it will influence them even when they are not aware of it.  One energy field can not block another energy field, they flow into each other effortlessly, which is why it's fun to be a hermit.  It could also partly be the result of unconscious face reading of subtle emotional markers, which everyone can do amazingly well although many are not so aware of it.  Face reading is a fun art to try out.  I think the same kinds of thing happen on a psychic level but I don't know that much about the psychic stuff.  I mean, I couldn't say how it works, but I found that it's not safe for some people if I get pissed off at them even when I don't like being pissed at them.

 

Also, you can call me Steve 

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1 hour ago, Starjumper said:

Also, you can call me Steve

 

Hey Steve,

 

Larva is a nonintelligent astral being born out of obsessive thought of desires the only goal of which is to feed oneself.

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9 hours ago, J Warg said:

Sorry, but I don't get what you mean. And this happens to me most of the time I read you on this forum, perhaps for the little time dedicated to the edition of your posts, most of the time looks chaotic...

 

I'm sorry.

 

Maybe I read too much 莊子 and too much about 周敦頤.

 

Maybe I don't have good enough respect for modern ghosts, ideas, and issues, but I do try to study them because I like people everywhere.

 

I did not mean to confuse you or offend you in any way.

 

 

 

 

 

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I'd be careful with all this voodoo!

 

Perhaps 'thought forms' exist as suggested by C.W. Leadbeater of Theosophy fame? If a thought, idea or meme can have a physical reality/body then perhaps it can gain energy and momentum and perhaps even infect and multiply? It seems to me that more basic ideas have a strong emotional content whereas lofty ideas are more abstract with only the faintest of emotion, think faeries! 

 

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On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

@Starjumper mentioned the book The Magus of Strovolos somewhere in this forum; I happened to find it in the internet so I started reading it and I’m really enjoying it (thanks ;))

 

The “magus” mentions beings like elementals; I have also read about these creatures in other books / articles under the names of thought forms, larvae, etc.

 

In the book Daskalos says:

 

We give birth to such elementals with our thoughts and sentiments. Once 'projected' they have an existence of their own and can affect those around us that 'vibrate' on the same frequency

 

So I'd like to ask those with the ability to see these (and others) invisible beings that supposedly surround us on a daily basis:

 

Are these beings really out there

 

"Really' ?   Well, they are 'out there' , depending on what you really mean by really  :)

 

Or what you consider 'reality'

 

here ya go ;

 

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http://www.harpur.org/PJCHdaimonicreality.htm

 

 

On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

 

 

interfering in our lives?

 

Errrmmm ....   'interfering'   ... maybe , perhaps even 'helping'  ?

 

Depends on the type of being  ..... bad croca !

 

Good dog !

 

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On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

 

 

How is that even possible?

 

http://www.harpur.org/PJCHdaimonicreality.htm

 

https://www.searchwithin.org/download/presence_spirits.pdf

 

Be careful what you open, now !

 

 

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On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

 

Do we human beings really create beings with an independent existence that easily?

 

If 'inadvertent' , it seems easy. If conscious, NOT that easy.  Either way, getting control of it  ... not that easy . After a lot of study and practice , simple as riding a bike ( that is if you already know how to ride one :) )

 

 

On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

 

 

Are they somehow intelligent beings?

 

The ones related to intelligence are.

 

On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

Do they have feelings?

 

Yes, but in a range specific to them.

 

On 12/04/2019 at 8:13 PM, J Warg said:

 

I’d be more interested in reading about your experiences, not the theory of this topic.

 

Its a huge subject and I have a lot of experience , sometimes, daily, so what do I write about ? probably better if you ask specific questions about what you want to know .

 

For the moment, I will leave  you with some practical advice;

 

6. Be not hasty to condemn others; how knowest thou that in their place, thou couldest have resisted the temptation? And even were it so, why shouldst thou despise one who is weaker than thyself?

 

7. Thou therefore who desirest Magical Gifts, be sure that thy soul is firm and steadfast; for it is by flattering thy weaknesses that the Weak Ones will gain power over thee. Humble thyself before thy Self, yet fear neither man not spirit. Fear is failure, and the forerunner of failure: and courage is the beginning of virtue.

 

8. Therefore fear not the Spirits, but be firm and courteous with them; for thou hast no right to despise or revile them; and this too may lead thee astray. Command and banish them, curse them by the Great Names if need be; but neither mock nor revile them, for so assuredly wilt thou be lead into error.

 

...

 

16. To obtain Magical Power, learn to control thought; admit only those ideas that are in harmony with the end desired, and not every stray and contradictory Idea that presents itself.

 

17. Fixed thought is a means to an end. Therefore pay attention to the power of silent thought and meditation. The material act is but the outward expression of thy thought, and therefore hath it been said that “the thought of foolishness is sin.” Thought is the commencement of action, and if a chance thought can produce much effect, what cannot fixed thought do?

 

...

 

19. Be thou therefore prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice.

 

20. So shalt thou gradually develop the powers of thy soul, and fit thyself to command the Spirits of the elements. For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee.

 

 
   
   
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On 12/04/2019 at 11:21 PM, GSmaster said:

 

Ha, do you know the story of evil shaman, who was starving himself to death while constantly thinking about food / starving a group of people to death while showing them delicios food and smells constantly. In the end result is same, creation of omnipotent parasite with endless desire to eat.

 

That could be later taken out and injected into a victim.

 

Actually as long as parasites dont get critical mass they are easy to deal, but eventually, if taken years of well feeding, they can grow to an extent being able to completely dominate human being, taking all their energy and willpower and intent, and human is left powerless / hopeless in despair.

 

The larvae and parasites mentioned are but one TYPE ... yes, like a bacteria.

 

There are other types, the best way to deal with those are as one would do deal with a dog , a pet, stray or guard dog.

 

Ummmm ... I will qualify that ...   as one would deal with a dog ... that ONE  being someone who understands how to deal with a dog .

 

( I had 'viscous'  attack guard dog bull mastiff  that I wasnt supposed to go near, rolling around on his back with tongue  hanging out gettin a belly scratch , owner returned and 'What the hell have you done yo to my dog !   :o  "

 

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On 4/12/2019 at 6:13 AM, J Warg said:

The “magus” mentions beings like elementals; I have also read about these creatures in other books / articles under the names of thought forms, larvae, etc.

 

In the book Daskalos says:

 

We give birth to such elementals with our thoughts and sentiments. Once 'projected' they have an existence of their own and can affect those around us that 'vibrate' on the same frequency

 

It seems like he's using the term elemental in a unique way. Here's the typical understanding of an "elemental": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elemental

 

As far as I know, they're not created by human beings at all. Another name would be used for what people create, such as: thought form, tulpa, double, etc. But elementals are said to be spirits/creatures of the four elements.

I don't have experience with them.

 

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Also, in terms of anyone I personally know who sees things...they mostly either speak of ghosts, or their guides, and auras. Maybe they're full of shit and are just making up having the ability to see these things...perhaps with true sight, a person would be aware of these other classes of beings like elementals. I don't know!

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16 hours ago, J Warg said:

Hi Starjumper,

 

 

That's scary... Lucky there are not many people that powerfull out there so dedicated to create those harmfull beings, right? I'm more concerned about those little (or not so little, I don't know!) creatures that one can create out of our own hates, lust, desires... who feed on our bad energies and influence us in the wrong way just to keep on feeding on us.

 

How can we counteract their power?

 

Do the rite and scrape em off with a consecrated copper blade.  They tend to congregate around the back of head and neck and down the spine .  For THAT type.

 

Also note the passage above about how these positive energies can be turned negative , ie. ;

 

For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee.

 

also by keeping the forces in balance  ( these quotes are from 'The Book of the Balance' aka  'How to develop the powers of your soul' GD initiatory document .).

 

1. Equilibrium is the basis of the Work. If thou thyself hast not a sure foundation, whereon wilt thou stand to direct the forces of Nature?

 

 

10. Worship and neglect not, the physical body which is thy temporary connection with the outer and material world. Therefore let thy mental Equilibrium be above disturbance by material events; strengthen and control the animal passions, discipline the emotions and the reason, nourish the Higher Aspiration

 

12. Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil. Act passionately; think rationally; be Thyself.

 

Basically we can counteract their power by firstly being aware of these process, by understanding how they work and their dynamics and finally then by being able to transform them, and 'lift them up' as co-partners in our evolutions .

 

Some of the very base primeval and raw energies might need other approaches .

 

The altar of evocation contains the 'sweet and refreshing water' and the 'perfumes' ... on one side .

 

But the sword, scourge, fire and 'box of punishmen't on the other . 

 

Again :

 

12. Remember that unbalanced force is evil; that unbalanced severity is but cruelty and oppression; but that also unbalanced mercy is but weakness which would allow and abet Evil.

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, J Warg said:

Hi David,

 

 

Thank you for your explanation, it really helps to clarify the mechanics of those beings.

 

In the book it's also explained that these larvas not only affect / influence us but also the people around us... For example, if I feel envious towards a friend of mine, these larvas will try to increase my envy (to keep on feeding on me) and will harm my friend somehow ... 

 

How comes that we can harm the people around us without us knowing it? 

 

Oh goodness !  We harm so  many people and a myriad of beings around us without ever knowing it all the time !

 

Even the Jains do , they where masks to stop breathing in and killing little insects, little brooms to brush away the ground before they walk  .. still they leave a trail of destruction behind them .

 

I tend to ignore that. its better, I think to  focus on preventing what we can prevent, and minimise what we are consciously aware of ;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

Hey Steve,

 

Larva is a nonintelligent astral being born out of obsessive thought of desires the only goal of which is to feed oneself.

 

 

"  Indeed !

 

Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee.

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