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Sifu Christopher Lee Matsuo, Sifu Jenny Lamb, Sifu Max Christenson

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Ive read some of the discussion in earlier threads about their relationship, but was wondering if anybody could put it succintly how they are related and how their respective systems relate and possible how they are valued, not as in "whose is the best" simply but also, perhaps most complete, best to begin with, safest, ease to learn, etc. I'm looking into Sfu Lamb's dvd but her website alludes to several levels to her system which needs to be learned in person, and I'm in PA she's in Colorado. Now there are over a 100 DVD's supposedly in the Dragon Gate collection perhaps covering all of Sifu Chris's completely. Any thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated, Thank you friends.

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This is almost impossible to cover...

If you have read past threads, you know a lot.

I'd suggest to go with what/who fits you best.

 

Easiest to learn yet complete - Yigong. You sit and wait for/allow movements to happen.

Second and third level - you don't have to worry about that. My understanding was she doesn't teach it. But if you would be serious about that I'd suggest to enquiry her directly about such possibility. Also, these two levels were likely described in the old Kunlun book (the new one doesn't have it).

 

Sifu Matsuo - great if you are looking for something movement or martial art based. But bagua is likely the hardest of martial arts to learn from DVD. Then if you are not into bagua or martial arts, you don't have to worry about 100s of DVDs as most of them are baguazhang. He also has meditation (vajrasattva mantra), healing (some medical qigong, or kunlun flying needles - likely advanced, tibetan medicine), kuji kiri, jinshin,.....vibrating palms both for healing and martial arts...kuan yin magnetic qigong,...

 

Most complete, Dragon Gate teachings....from meditation to martial arts to healing, bagua which if you practice couple hours per day you can become somewhat proficient in it in 20 years LOL.

 

Safest - the vajrasattva meditation by far :).

 

It's all what you need and want. So I'm a bit scared of bagua after overloading with info from here and elsewhere, but found the Teacups DVD from Sifu Matsuo very good investment, but I knew it would be good for my specific condition even if I'm not a baguazhang player.

I liked the simple medical qigong 10 essential movements that is on Sifu Lamb's DVD. One of the better medical qigongs out there IMHO (though it's movements only, there is no theory intent visualizations explanations.....), she wrote something like it being carefully assembled exercises fitting like mala beads, and that's how it feels to me when doing it.

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how they are related

 

Max of Kunlun was one of the teachers of Chris of DGS. Jenny and Max shared practices. (To me they are all like Sifus, knowing more and being better than me, but I don't call them that here because they aren't my personal teachers and this isn't such a formal discussion.)

 

how their respective systems relate

 

DGS material sometimes reflects Max's stuff and sometimes doesn't at all. Jenny's yigong/qigong for self healing is very much based on the one practice, and a bunch of side things to make that practice easier on the body or assist the practice in healing the body...it's treated in a qigong or physical healing fashion...and perhaps at times she teaches other practices to people. Kunlun contains lots of practices, many apparently from the Maoshan/Shangqing school...it also has the one practice, but at times it is altered and done in different ways, so as to be slightly different from Jenny's version (which is the original version). Most of those Kunlun practices have alchemy and light body as the focus rather than just physical healing.

 

possible how they are valued, not as in "whose is the best" simply but also, perhaps most complete, best to begin with, safest, ease to learn, etc.

 

I would say that Jenny's DVD seems very very safe for most people. If you want a really solid practice, that would be good. DGS material gets more physical, which is also very good and lacking in too many spiritual arts...you just have to decide if you like their form of exercise, or if you prefer to jog or lift weights instead, for example. Personally, I don't have much patience for bagua or internal types of martial arts. So lets say you practice the Qigong for Self Healing DVD and you also exercise...that would be great in my opinion. Or lets say you're more interested in alchemy and mystical type practices...but you're already healthy and you also keep up with exercise...Kunlun might be a good choice if that's your focus. Or you might find that you aren't so keen on the kunlun/yigong practice and are seeking something else...it's not for everyone. I've personally moved onto other things, although from time to time I return to it.

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In my opinion, asking which teacher to go with is a little like asking which treasure you´d like to buy next for your personal collection, the hope diamond or a gold mask from Tutankhamun´s tomb--you´d be very lucky either way.

 

Sifu Jenny Lamb´s video has enough material to last a lifetime. Myself, I would never hesitate to buy and practice from it even if you can never meet her in person. It contains the basic practice that Max teaches as the first level of Kunlun (Max says it´s not the same as what he teaches but I´ve learned both and don´t see the difference myself) plus routines to practice before and after the spontaneous movement. Highly recommended.

 

Max is Max. Beloved by many though by no means all. He´s a charismatic character with a personal style that might or might not mesh with yours. I´ve benefitted a lot from Kunlun, but some do have safety concerns. If you get a chance to study with him, I´d go for it.

 

I´m not so familiar with Dragon Gate material, but believe that Quan Yin Magnetic Qigong is the Sifu Matsuo practice that most closely corresponds to Kunlun/ Yigong. I´ve only done just a little but wow--very powerful indeed. There´s a thread on it so you might look it up if this appeals.

 

In the DVD of Quan Yin Magnetic Qigong Sifu Matsuo talks about the dangers of approaching the practice in an obsessive way. Words of wisdom there. In my opinion, any of these practices can take you as far as you´re willing to go. Any of these practices can be misused and cause harm if not approached with sensitivity, listening to your body, knowing your limits.

 

Liminal

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Thank you everyone for all your insightful replies, much to mull over now that I'm back from vacation. I am very grateful for you taking the time. I do believe I will starting with Jenny Lamb's DVD and see where it takes me.

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Jenny Lamb qigong is weak, but her Yi Gong is very powerful. There is no need to work with her in person, the dvd has the simple Yi Gong method. I have only heard great things about Kwan Yin Magnetic Qigong which I hope to order as soon as my medical clairvoyant tests it to see what it would do for me.

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I forgot to mention that if you want qigong that is easy, safe, does not take a long time to perform, feels wonderful doing it and is powerful for healing and creating energy, then I would suggest you read about Longevity Qigong from Simon Blow. It is my favorite and I have tried about 30 different qigong methods so far.

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I had my medical clairvoyant test Kwan Yin Magnetic Qigong and he found that the Longevity Qigong is already changing the brain and therefore he saw no reason for me to learn Kwan Yin Magnetic Qigong. He also saw that Longevity Qigong results in more benefits in other areas than Kwan Yin MQ offers. Jenny Lamb is now teaching the higher levels of Yi Gong in person.

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