The decline and eventual fall of the USA as world superpower?

[Formless Tao]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/iran-thousands-of-missiles-to-rain-on-israel/ Iran: 'Thousands of missiles' to rain on Israel Threatens massive strike if military action launched on Syria

Iran attack Israel? Haha

 

The Samson Option...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_option

[Thunder_Gooch]

My concern is Russia, they aren't going to put up with their oil interests being sequestered for much longer, there is a line drawn in the sand and when we cross it there will be a war.

 

Syria may be the Rubicon for WWIII.

Edited August 29, 2013 by More_Pie_Guy

[gendao]

Back in 1992, warhawk

to outline the subversive strategies and bully tactics driven by propaganda and preemptive warfare to be used to tool the American military-corporate complex for their own agenda...

The Clique that Sold Us the Iraq War

Almost the entire Iraq-war clique, advocated the war from 1998 on. 9/11 was only a convenient pretext. Amazingly almost all were members of just two organizations: IASPS and PNAC. Both were neoconservative, and there were many links between the two.
IASPS: Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies
PNAC: Project for New American Century
JINSA, The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Defense Policy Board
The Weekly Standard
Etc...

...crying Wolfowitz again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKoSQEpTkQ

News Corp executive Andrew Knight allegedly writes in an email to US Gen. Colin Powell obtained by RT.

in correspondence dated March 21, 2012, Knight asks Gen. Powell to have a few words with Mr. Blair about preparing for that year’s Bohemian Grove retreat, an annual gathering of the rich and powerful

Edited August 29, 2013 by vortex

[idquest]

There seems to be some slowdown in war momentum from the USA and GB at this point. Some leak sources suggest there are negotiations going on between Kerry and Russian FM as to how to scale down the crisis.

[voidisyinyang]

http://ktla.com/2013/08/29/dozens-of-alleged-gang-members-arrested-in-south-la-raids/#axzz2dPAc8Akd

 

S. L.A. looking like Sierra Leone with the mind-controlled child warriors or like Uganda or the Congo, etc.

 

http://laist.com/2013/08/29/operation_thumbs_down.php

[ralis]

Congressman Alan Grayson speaks out against any unilateral attack on Syria. Grayson states that the military industrial complex wants this.

 

[Formless Tao]

The book "The Bible Code" written by Michael Drosnin in 1997. Pg. 134-135 states

 

" "Armageddon" is encoded in the bible with the name of Syria's leader, Hafez Asad. In fact, the name of the actual site of the long prophesised Final Battle appears with his name in a single skip sequence; "Armageddon, Asad Holocaust. " " Syria is encoded with "World War." It is the country that stands out, because it is not expected. "Russia" "China" and "USA" all also appear with "World War." But they are the three superpowers most likely to be involved. "Syria" is the surprise. "

 

"But if Armageddon is real, it may begin the way it is prophesied in the plain text of the bible. The last book of the New Testament predicts a final war of unprecedented fury: "Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations in the four quarters of the Earth, Gog and Magog , to gather them together to battle"

 

Pg 136 states. " No one knows where the ancient "Gog and Magog" were located. But the original prophecy of the Final Battle, told in Ezekiel, is that Israel will be invaded from the North: " You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, a great horde, a mighty army" The only modern enemy north of Israel is Syria. "Syria is encoded in Ezekiel, starting in the verse that predicts the invasion. Syria's allies are named " Persia" and "Phut" countries that are now Iran and Libya. The plain text of Ezekiel predicts a terrible battle between Israel and the surrounding Arab nations, " a great slaughter on the mountains of Israel. " According to the Bible code, that is how World War III might begin - with an atomic attack on Jerusalem, followed by an Invasion of Israel."

 

This first book in the series of three Bible Codes was written in 1997.

 

Coincidence or something more...?

Edited August 31, 2013 by Formless Tao

[Formless Tao]

" I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

 

ALBERT EINSTEIN

 

 

 

 

"Everything is forseen, but freedom of action is granted. "

 

THE TALMUD

Edited August 30, 2013 by Formless Tao

[voidisyinyang]

[Formless Tao]

Great article from Julian Assange in this mornings The Age paper and online regarding his views on Syria.

 

http://m.theage.com.au/comment/war-wont-serve-australias-cause-20130830-2swb2.html

 

Australia is voting next Saturday on our prime minister and Julian Assanges' Wikileaks Party is one of the options we can choose...

 

Julian Assange for Prime Minister of Australia? haha

Edited August 31, 2013 by Formless Tao

[voidisyinyang]

http://disinfo.com/2013/08/media-roots-radio-obamas-syrian-war/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+disinfo%2FoMPh+%28Disinformation%29

 

 

On the latest edition of Media Roots Radio, Abby and Robbie Martin discuss how a new war against Syria seems all but inevitable.

They talk about the eerily similar establishment rhetoric between the Iraq war buildup and today’s Syria war mongering – specifically the potential unilateral US military action in defiance of the UN, the ‘humanitarian’ justification and the scare tactics of ‘chemical weapons’. A recent speech by Secretary of State, John Kerry, marked a distinct turning point in the ferocity of the Syria rhetoric, which is dissected by Robbie and Abby in its entirety.

 

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.infowars.com/rebels-admit-responsibility-for-chemical-weapons-attack/

 

Rebels admit responsibility for chemical attack

[Thunder_Gooch]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/russia-un-syria_n_3837736.html

 

Russia Calls Urgent UN Security Council Meeting On Syria

[Jetsun]

The book "The Bible Code" written by Michael Drosnin in 1997. Pg. 134-135 states

 

" "Armageddon" is encoded in the bible with the name of Syria's leader, Hafez Asad. In fact, the name of the actual site of the long prophesised Final Battle appears with his name in a single skip sequence; "Armageddon, Asad Holocaust. " " Syria is encoded with "World War." It is the country that stands out, because it is not expected. "Russia" "China" and "USA" all also appear with "World War." But they are the three superpowers most likely to be involved. "Syria" is the surprise. "

 

"But if Armageddon is real, it may begin the way it is prophesied in the plain text of the bible. The last book of the New Testament predicts a final war of unprecedented fury: "Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations in the four quarters of the Earth, Gog and Magog , to gather them together to battle"

 

Pg 136 states. " No one knows where the ancient "Gog and Magog" were located. But the original prophecy of the Final Battle, told in Ezekiel, is that Israel will be invaded from the North: " You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, a great horde, a mighty army" The only modern enemy north of Israel is Syria. "Syria is encoded in Ezekiel, starting in the verse that predicts the invasion. Syria's allies are named " Persia" and "Phut" countries that are now Iran and Libya. The plain text of Ezekiel predicts a terrible battle between Israel and the surrounding Arab nations, " a great slaughter on the mountains of Israel. " According to the Bible code, that is how World War III might begin - with an atomic attack on Jerusalem, followed by an Invasion of Israel."

 

This first book in the series of three Bible Codes was written in 1997.

 

Coincidence or something more...?

 

From one perspective its strange that the US wants to get rid of Assad because he had maintained Israel's borders in the Golan heights, whereas if the rebels get in then there is a good chance that Syria could become an extreme Islamic republic on Israel's northern border, which can't be good for them.

[rene]

Great article from Julian Assange in this mornings The Age paper and online regarding his views on Syria.

 

http://m.theage.com.au/comment/war-wont-serve-australias-cause-20130830-2swb2.html

 

Australia is voting next Saturday on our prime minister and Julian Assanges' Wikileaks Party is one of the options we can choose...

 

Julian Assange for Prime Minister of Australia? haha

 

Thanks for posting that, FT. Great article. I'd vote for Assange, lol Wonder how that would affect his current dwelling situation?

[ralis]

Thanks for posting that, FT. Great article. I'd vote for Assange, lol Wonder how that would affect his current dwelling situation?

 

I wonder if he would be granted diplomatic immunity. The so called charges against him are suspect at best.

[rene]

From one perspective its strange that the US wants to get rid of Assad because he had maintained Israel's borders in the Golan heights, whereas if the rebels get in then there is a good chance that Syria could become an extreme Islamic republic on Israel's northern border, which can't be good for them.

 

Jetsun, agree, and if that were all that was behind it, right. The Assange article just above details more motivations, which I dont doubt. From that article:

 

"The prospect of regime change in Damascus has long appealed to the US. For the Americans to be able to assert effective influence over Syria would serve US geopolitical interests in at least three ways. It would push back the last extended limb of Russian hard power and cement US victory in its long-term cold-war project to isolate Russian influence globally. It would strengthen Israel's hand by removing one of Hezbollah's main sources of support in Lebanon. And it would complete the encirclement of Iran, whose Shiite Islamist government US hawks have long been looking to overthrow."

[rene]

@ralis - i'm not sure if elected officials like senators etc get diplomatic immunity while in other countries. Maybe Assange should instead press to be named "ambassador" or some such.

 

Agree re charges.

Edited August 31, 2013 by rene

[Jetsun]

Jetsun, agree, and if that were all that was behind it, right. The Assange article just above details more motivations, which I dont doubt. From that article:

 

"The prospect of regime change in Damascus has long appealed to the US. For the Americans to be able to assert effective influence over Syria would serve US geopolitical interests in at least three ways. It would push back the last extended limb of Russian hard power and cement US victory in its long-term cold-war project to isolate Russian influence globally. It would strengthen Israel's hand by removing one of Hezbollah's main sources of support in Lebanon. And it would complete the encirclement of Iran, whose Shiite Islamist government US hawks have long been looking to overthrow."

 

Yeah I guess. But I wonder how much ego comes into it, people say Obama and the US will look weak if they don't do anything and if they lose out to Iran and Russia so they might want to come out on top just so they win for ego sake ,to project strength rather than because the outcome is particularly favourable for them. I don't see how setting up an extreme Islamic state in Syria beneficial for the US long term even if there are the other benefits mentioned.

 

It's more beneficial for Europe because then we can be less reliant on Russian gas if they can build another pipe line, which is why France want to get involved and why Russia are so angry.

[rene]

I'm starting a thread on Syria in the Pit. Did you just see Obama's speech?

 

Edit: Well, I guess we can't start threads there; thought that was changed.

 

Off-topic it is.

Edited August 31, 2013 by rene

[Thunder_Gooch]

 

Syria is the Domino That Could Spark World War III

[rene]

MPG - would you please also post that vid in the (new in Off-topic) Syria thread?

Edited August 31, 2013 by rene

[Thunder_Gooch]

sure thing.

[Thunder_Gooch]

[Thunder_Gooch]