Cupid's Poisoned Arrow - insights and recommendations

[VCraigP]

[JustARandomPanda]

It is a good book, isn't it?

 

I pre-ordered it and finished it in 3 days. There's a LOT there to chew on for sure. I don't know about other people but I did a 'mini-review' of it here in the Karezza & Taoist Sexual Practice thread.

[markern]

I wrote this in another thread and it seems relevant;

 

 

THe aneros seems to bring people a lot of very good multiples without any sort of strain or over doing (probably since it is only by relaxing that the aneros works). Apparently many people find that after having a lot of dry aneros multiples they just naturaly got the ability to have them during normal intercourse without doing anything with the pc muscles or orbit etc. just ether not doing anything or just doing it with the mind. Maybe using the aneros might help you tune in to the "right" way to have multiples. My theory is that a lot of people when they are having mutliples are having to yang style orgasms with too much tension and heat and restesness. That means the energy they retain is of a different quaity and I think that it is much harder to integrate well. If everything hapens in a relaxed and mindfull way with almost no effort to retain or stop anything but more of an expansion upwards, then the quality of energy is much better and few problems occur. The aneros seems to help a lot in getting you to that place. So to does a lot of practice of very slow very deep belly breathing. This is just me theory though and not something I have proper experience with.

 

Also I have written more about it in this thread:

 

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showto...&hl=teacher

 

 

Sereneblue: I think anyone who has not had them deserves a god phase of explosive orgsms before going for the other stuff and I am sure you will.

Edited September 12, 2009 by markern

[Andrei]

yes

 

dopamine = desire, lust

prolactine = satisfaction

cortisol = stress

PEA (phenethylamine) = falling in love

testosterone = violence, anger

estrogen = maternity

adrenaline (ephedrine) = excitement, awareness of danger

serotonine = relaxation, fulfillment, well being, lack of hunger

oxytocine = love, compassion

melatonine = awakening, lack of sleep

DMT = enlightenment, visual dreams, alternate reality

...

Edited September 12, 2009 by steam

[gendao]

dopamine = desire, lust

prolactine = satisfaction

cortisol = stress

PEA (phenethylamine) = falling in love

testosterone = violence, anger

estrogen = maternity

adrenaline (ephedrine) = excitement, awareness of danger

serotonine = relaxation, fulfillment, well being, lack of hunger

oxytocine = love, compassion

melatonine = awakening, lack of sleep

DMT = enlightenment, visual dreams, alternate reality

...

A bit 1-sided on some of those, but great list!

[VCraigP]

 

adrenaline (ephedrine) = excitement, awareness of danger

 

 

I think you meant epinephrine (sp?) here. Ephedrine is a plant alkaloid (ephedrine, pseudoephedrine both derived from Mahuang aka ephedra chinensis among others)

 

But yes great list, thanks for expanding on my post.

 

Craig

 

 

My theory is that a lot of people when they are having mutliples are having too yang style orgasms with too much tension and heat and restlessness. That means the energy they retain is of a different quaity and I think that it is much harder to integrate well. If everything hapens in a relaxed and mindfull way with almost no effort to retain or stop anything but more of an expansion upwards, then the quality of energy is much better and few problems occur. The aneros seems to help a lot in getting you to that place. So to does a lot of practice of very slow very deep belly breathing.

 

Sereneblue: I think anyone who has not had them deserves a god phase of explosive orgsms before going for the other stuff and I am sure you will.

 

Thanks for expanding on what I was trying to get across.

IME the yang style retention is creating restlessness and overheating because it is tending towards cortisol release and not generating the nurturing oxytocin release as in more relaxed approach. It is harder to integrate because you are not generating the right kind of energy. What I like about this theory is that the Taoist energetic ideas seem to correspond directly with the modern neurotransmitter ideas. If you are creating stress neurochemically then how can you be generating and storing beneficial energy?

[VCraigP]

It is a good book, isn't it?

 

I pre-ordered it and finished it in 3 days. There's a LOT there to chew on for sure. I don't know about other people but I did a 'mini-review' of it here in the Karezza & Taoist Sexual Practice thread.

 

I suspect there is a huge difference between ordinary orgasms, male or female and what Drew is describing.

However, I certainly support your desire to reach that goal and to further go beyond to understand the differences between the various possibilities. I think you have received some tremendous support and advice already.

I would like to emphasize that I have observed the patterns of the "passion cycle" in both myself and my partner and am now beginning to explore again this idea of slower is better and retention, while at the same time creating more nurturing for my partner. Becoming more aware of whether my touch is "hungry" or "healing/nurturing" has been a real revelation again. Also my ability to stay in a nurturing mode is directly affected by whether not I have been overstimulated.

 

Finally it is also making sense now the concept that when the sexual essence is full that desire will be mild and manageable, and when not full will be wilder and more fiery, more needy, more hungry. That is to say that sexual hunger is not necessarily the result of fully replenished jing but can be indicative of deficiency.

 

As a long time Taoist student I have a knee jerk reaction to Karezza as overly simple and not seeing the whole esoteric picture so I am resistant to it. But the author presents a lot of good ideas which do mesh perfectly well with the ideas and techniques I already know. I do also think that it is very easy to get caught up in good technique and be too much in the head and not at all in the heart. The ideas in this book have helped me resolve that too.

 

I think the ideas around orgasm are an order of magnitude simpler for men than for women, but I am convinced that the hormonal fluctuations are inescapable in both sexes. This is an overall new concept, and as mentioned in the book not widely accepted. Quite the contrary I think the majority of sexologists would consider avoidance of orgasm as pathology.

 

For you Serene Blue I would say definitely go for it, but once you get there (and you will :-) ) I suggest you pay close attention to your overall state in the weeks after.

 

 

I would love to have Santi's take on this as well as others because the idea of lovemaking without normal genital orgasm is well covered for men, both pros and cons, but I feel has not had enough examination when it comes to the women's side of it.

 

Craig

[markern]

http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/neotaoism_and_karezza

 

I find this article especialy illuminating.

[VCraigP]

http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/neotaoism_and_karezza

 

I find this article especialy illuminating.

 

 

Thanks, after re reading some of your posts from July which Serene linked to I feel like I am covering the same ground again. You really hit alot of it spot on with where Im currently coming from. But since I just read the book... thought I'd share my new perspective FWIW.

 

Thanks, after re reading some of your posts from July which Serene linked to I feel like I am covering the same ground again. You really hit alot of it spot on with where Im currently coming from. But since I just read the book... thought I'd share my new perspective FWIW.

 

 

Time to dig into the material at reuniting. With the book under my belt there is a depth of info over there which is really fascinating.

 

On we go.

 

thanks

 

Craig

[Mal]

I would love to have Santi's take on this as well as others because the idea of lovemaking without normal genital orgasm is well covered for men, both pros and cons, but I feel has not had enough examination when it comes to the women's side of it.

 

Once they get over the worry that you really are totally happy without any contact or an EJ orgasm yourself they really seem to relax and enjoy it. Of course if they are sexually active they usually have a lot of exposure to males genital focus. A recent comment I got was. "I had always dreamed of someone spending hours just touching me without diving straight for my genitals. My other partners would never go slowly enough." Yes she enjoyed it a LOT

[宁]

Hi there Craig,

 

I have a proposition to make, that maybe helpful in more than one way...

 

Consider that there are mainly two sides of daoist cultivation, DA DAO (the great tao of enlightenment and immortality) and XIAO DAO (the tao of everyday life and social interaction).

 

Each of these two brances uses different types of prima materia.

Xiao Dao uses 'hot' and 'cold' (yang and yin) sexual energy for purposes related to health and longevity.

Da Dao uses 'primal' jing (non-polarised sexual essence) for purposes related to higher goals and acheivements.

 

Thusly, the misconception related to 'pop taoism' and 'traditional taoism' quickly dissolves.

There are just different paths that go different ways.

There's an article in the link in my signature that i wrote related to Da Dao and Xiao Dao. I'd like you to have a look at it and tell me what you think.

 

[Trunk]

Recently found that the author's of Cupid's Poisoned Arrow have a youtube channel and a website, Your Brain On Porn.com. Thought I'd post some of their video series and bump the thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... and their book:

 

[tulku]

If one fails to retent semen, it is because his consiousness and willpower isn't strong enough to keep his semen.

 

His mind is still too attached to the sensual pleasures of ejaculation.

 

When one's mind is completely in control and completely oblvious and non-attached to the sensual pleasures of ejaculation, then one can retent his semen as easily as snapping a finger.

[tulku]

If one fails to retent semen, it is because his consiousness and willpower isn't strong enough to keep his semen.

 

His mind is still too attached to the sensual pleasures of ejaculation.

 

When one's mind is completely in control and completely oblvious and non-attached to the sensual pleasures of ejaculation, then one can retent his semen as easily as snapping a finger.

 

You know, there is a consciousness, an intelligence to the sexual energy in our body.

 

If you do control this intelligence of this consciousness in our sexual energy, it will end up controlling you.

 

Ejaculation is the biggest obstacle to raising consciousness in man.

 

This is why all the spiritual masters of every mainstream spiritual tradition out there advocates celibacy.

Edited August 21, 2011 by tulku

[Seth Ananda]

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Edited August 9, 2016 by Seth Ananda

[Informer]

 

 

Everyone loves sex after all

 

 

 

I know your probably joking around and meant that everyone likes sex?

[Seth Ananda]

I know your probably joking around and meant that everyone likes sex?

? not me, i Love it

[RiverSnake]

Very informative thread. Thanks for sharing guys.