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  1. Omniscience. Game of Thrones.

    I posted that exchange because I did not realize GRRM had such an extensive SF novel/novella backlog. Has anyone read any of these other Martin SF works (not Wildcards, not Dunk & Egg, not ASOIF). It certainly sounds like he's doing a whole Brandon Sanderson Cosmere-thing with his Thousand Worlds Universe. The whole Dragon-gene vs. Warg-gene thing reminds me of the Bene Geserit breeding program for the genetic Superbeing Kwisatz Haderach.
  2. Omniscience. Game of Thrones.

    I haven't read the GoT series past book 3 as GRRM, Patrick Rothfuss and Robert Jordan all convinced me to never start a series until the author has completely finished their series. I have watched the TV show however up to season 6 via checking out the DVDs from the library (season 7 still has a monstrously long wait list). However I stumbled across the following thread on Youtube spurred by the GoT fandom's angry reactions to how the series has ended. I'm posting the long back-and-forth because it's changed what I think of the 3 books I've read so far and (if the guy who keeps making the points he does is right - the tv show has gone so off the rails from the books that it very long ago became something that is only distantly "inspired" by the books). I'll admit right now that if what this guy says it's a big spoiler for the end of the *novels* - not just the tv show. TV show GRRM outline for tv show + novel + published works history now makes me suspect GoT actually takes place in a Science Fiction future - *not* a Medieval Fantasy. Read the following posts I'm C&P-ing at one's own peril of potential novel spoilers: ********************************C&P follows***************************************** Anti-Federalist 1776 on the show and its trajectory: 1 day ago It was wrong from the beginning... people just didn't know it, a Fantasy series based upon Science Fiction novels from one of the most prominent bronze era SciFi writers could never end well. ***************** Anti-Federalist 1776 says: Because Jon isn't a Targaryen... he's a Stark & Dayne, possibly the true heir of Winterfell if Brandon & Ashara were married when he (Ned) was locked in the Black Cells. Dany Is Rheagar Targaryen & Lyanna Stark's daughter ... it's impossible for Dany to be the Mad King's daughter since she wouldn't have the right genetic legacy to telepathically nuture then hatch dragons eggs. *********************** jamesw6374 said: G RR Martin has frequently said that fans guessing this threw a massive spanner in the works for his entire saga. Hence why the 'king is the one with the best stories' and who knows the future and the past (author egotism?) Fan service would have had the hero Jon Snow defeating the 'the dark lord' character of the night king, winning the heart of the Queen and sitting on the Iron Throne Aragon-style. Never what GOT was about, Martin's subversion of fan expectations is actually secretly kind of brilliant. *********************** Anti-Federalist 1776 said: pathetic show watchers... Rhaegar+Lyanna Stark =Jon Snow was widely considered to be such an obvious red herring that only morons would believe it before the show came out. So no... it is IMPOSSIBLE for Dany to be Rheagar's sister AND be a Dragonhatcher, that's not how GRRM uses a simplified Mendelian genetic modeling in any of his published works. The whole point of Rheagar chasing Lyanna was to create Dany... to attempt to substitute the Stark telepathic Warging gene for the Targaryen telepathic Dragon gene. In so doing creating the first XX Dragonhatcher in well over a century. The Faith & Citadel spent centuries to eliminate that capacity from the Targaryen bloodline, though some of the Westrosi Houses managed to snag & preserve it. Which conversely is even how Rheagar carried it... from his Blackwood grandmother are the Targaryen Civil War had the dragonless genetic lineage take prominence & then no more Dragons were hatched again. ***************** Someone objects that the tv show establishes Jon as a Targyren + Stark ****************** Anti-Federalist 1776 said: nope... I don't care about the trash fanfic show that only morons would be entertained by, I checked out in season 4 because it was a disgrace. Though it would be horrific if Bran (the-3-Eyed-Raven) actually was crowned "King" since that means humanity lost & the Weirwoods won... they nuked themselves back into a literal Stone Age & plummeted into a millennia of post-apocalyptic interregnum in an effort to defeat the Weirwoods - the long fabled but never physically described Hrangain in the novels, that the Human Federal Empire destroyed itself fighting to achieve a pyrrhic victory against in the vast interstellar Double War. I was a GRRM fan before I picked up GoT when it was originally released in paperback... so my view on the story is vastly different than your show watching opinion. You see "magic"... I just see all the telepathic abilities from GRRM's previous works, I mean he has a whole Corpse Handler trilogy which has his most autobiographical character of Turtle being an uber powerful corpse handler. I mean even Bran's "time travel" is done the exact same as previous as GRRM published work, with the same reasoning on how it doesn't violate the Paradox Rule by it being a conciousness transfer not a physical transfer (which is still bullshit but at least makes the attempt at justification.) ******************** Anti-Federalist 1776 said: Ned+Ashara=Jon is just a shittier version of Brandon+Ashara=Jon... plus it has nothing to do with the way GRRM writes that involves cuckoldry & the "hero" being unloved. It also doesn't match up with the story in that Howland kept Ned busy during the Harrenhal tourney after bringing Ashara to Neds attention... then Ned also wouldn't have been around Ashara like Brandon was when he was locked up in the black cells & Ashara was one of the handmaidens of Princess Elia. Ashara "killed herself" when Ned brought Dawn back to the Daynes following the battle at the Tower of Joy... not 9 months after Ned was there. Jon is far too young to have been conceived at the tourney and there wasn't enough time after Ashara "suicide" to have conceived then gestated Jon following the return of Dawn. *************** Lily Connolly 23 hours ago said: @Anti-Federalist 1776 I read the books and what you just wrote is again incoherent nonsense. If you didn't watch the show after season 4 don't come here with your bs. Jon's parents aren't even confirmed in the books so that adds to how stupid your message was. *************** evbb 22 hours ago @Lily Connolly I don't know if he's right or not, but frankly, you're the one in the wrong here, lol. "Jon's parents aren't even confirmed in the books so that adds to how stupid your message was." That's exactly what he's saying, do you not understand that? ************** duprattcarol 20 hours ago Said: He would have never been able to ride a dragon, engage in that aerial fight with the night king, or even be spared by Drogon when the dragon Dany dead. ************ Anti-Federalist 1776 20 hours ago @Lily Connolly okay... you read the books with the preconceived notions of the show in your mind, I read the books with the vast majority of GRRM work already read in my mind. So when the "Red Comet" was introduced... I just automatically assumed that it was an Ecological Engineering Corps starship like from the novella Plague Star, which made ASOIAF set in the Thousand Worlds universe. So when the Others or Thoros reanimate the dead... I just automatically assume that they are telepathic corpse handlers like the Corpse Handler trilogy set in the Thousand Worlds. ******************* [randompanda note: has anyone else read Plague Star? Did that novella indeed establish that the ASOIAF planet is part of Martin's Thousand Worlds SF universe? ******************* Jose Ramirez 20 hours ago anti-federalist, they literally show us jon's parentage.... idk if ur trolling, or retarded... ************* Anti-Federalist 1776 19 hours ago @Jose Ramirez badly written tv-fanfiction doesn't qualify as canon... so the show counts for nothing even more so now that the show ends in worst possible way with humanity losing since a telepathic incorporated agent of the Weirwood Hivemind gets installed as King, which is the very worst possible outcome to me. ************ Jose Ramirez 19 hours ago antifederalist, i agree with u there, first thing i thought was "so 3 eyed ravens r gonna be the king from now on.." i mean right? bran is gonna see his own death, pass the ability onto whoever he deems worthy/capable, and it goes on and on... and probably back to family ruling, cuz being a warg is in the family...and bran plotted to be king this whole time.. didn't help anyone but himself that prick. ****************** Anti-Federalist 1776 18 hours ago @UCNhVx1crNX6COA0cMyDrTuw Jon is stabbed in the last book during a coup within the Nights Watch that wanted to remove him from being Lord Commander... he doesn't necessarily die, but Melisandre being there means that even if Jon does die than she can animate his corpse like Thoros did with Dondarren and now Lady Stoneheart. ****************** Eric Miller 19 hours ago (edited) @Anti-Federalist 1776 LOL this can't be true. R+L has to = J Now granted it was so heavily hinted at you could argue this was an obvious red herring. I didn't need to come to the interwebz to get that one he laid it on thick. But this would be the equivalent of hinting the butler did it then changing your mind as Martin said. Which is something he said he would not do. There may have been a time the Daynes were supposed to be more important in the story. But Martin seems to have cut them with the 5 year skip. ******************** Anti-Federalist 1776 18 hours ago @Eric Miller nope... that's not how GRRM handles Mendelian genetic modeling, which means that it would be impossible for Dany to be a XX telepathic genetic Dragonhatcher if Aerys was her father & Rhella her mother. The entire POINT of Rhaegar in fulfilling "prophecy" was to *recreate* the Dragonhatcher genetic confluence of double recessive telepathic genes... whether Rhaegar was aware of what he was doing or not in those terms. Just cause the people in the story have forgotten their own history of being part of the interstellar Federal Empire & nuking themselves back into a literal Stone Age during their war against the Hrangain (Weirwoods)... doesn't make their opinion valid, the Sandship in Dorne is still a crashed Federal starship regardless of what the current inhabitants of Dorne "think" it is. ********************* Eric Miller 18 hours ago (edited) @Anti-Federalist 1776 None of those things are confirmed What is a dragon hatcher? You're acting as tho he gives these detailed frameworks that don't exist. lol Guy couldn't even pace his story correctly With all the resurrection going on Jon has to come back. Plus why did we spend so much time foreshadowing his parentage if it didn't matter? So you could be right about some topic Martin never put in the books directly? lol *************************** Anti-Federalist 1776 18 hours ago @Eric Miller A. Know the logical framework that GRRM writes from. & B. - Do an autistic sperg analysis of the Targaryen bloodline, then match up when Dragons were hatched & who the eggs were around before hatching. So GRRM has technically provided the information... just without context and you have to reverse engineer the outline that he created when he was thinking all this up. It's why GRRM keeps pumping out all these "prequel" stories... cause he fully formulated the whole world that he then placed these characters in, which the story is developing around the characters. So while ASOIAF is an evolving character based storyline... the world and history they exist in is fully realized. ******************** Eric Miller 17 hours ago (edited) @Anti-Federalist 1776 He has made a giant mess. The concerns I posited are much more important than the geneology lining up. You could fix that up on top of the tree and say "oh really X was his great great grandpa" There done easy THe problems I presented cannot be solved so easily lol. Not saying there wasn't a time he set that up. But it's done now. If he finishes John coming back and he's not gonna be a Dayne cuz the Daynes were cut out of the fucking story ************* Anti-Federalist 1776 16 hours ago @Eric Miller how so...? Dorne in general is just about to fully enter the story when Arianna marries Aegon & call the totally intact banners which are waiting in the passes out of Dorne for her message. Personally... I think that the Septon with Aegon is Ashara, Dany stayed in Dorne for years after the baby swap happened until she was old enough to have memories of the "house with a red door" & "lemon trees" which don't grow in Bravos. So at some point Doran's involvement with Illyrio/Varys shipped Dany over to Essos that way she could be used as the pawn she was supposed to be as a Dragonhatcher to spend the time needed around the eggs until the sorcerers of Assahi could hatch them... then the Dragons could be given to Aegon along with the Golden Company for the conquest of Westros. Drogo fucked up that plan by dying before the khalassar could reach Asshai because he refused medical treatment, then Dany accidentally hatched the dragon eggs & burn Mizi who was the 2nd/3rd most knowledge person in the entire world on dragons with only her master Maester Marwyn being the foremost dragon expert in the world. I mean that fact that one of Maester Marywn primary disciples was in the absolute middle of nowhere with the Shepherd Men which just happened to be the path of khalassar which contained a Targaryen woman & 3 dragon eggs is beyond comprehension to the point of asinine to ascribe that chance/accident had anything to do with that. **************** Anti-Federalist 1776 15 hours ago @Eric Miller sidenote- that's not how even the very simplified Mendelian method of genetic lineage that GRRM uses... we already have the legacy & which dragon eggs hatched after being around which women, so we know where the recessive telepathic Dragon gene resides unlike the Starks' clearly dominant telepathic Warg gene that was given to them from Bael the Bard. ************************ Anti-Federalist 1776 15 hours ago @Jose Ramirez yep... the Weirwoods are the true enemy in ASOIAF, which is easy to figure out because telepathic Communal Hiveminds are ALWAYS :like literally every fucking time: the enemies of Individualistic humanity in all GRRM stories. So... Bran being an incorporated aspect to the Weirwood telepathic Hivemind Conciousness will end with the subversion of all humanity into being incorporated into the Weirwood telepathic Hivemind like what happened in the GRRM novella Bitterblooms. **************** Eric Miller 15 hours ago @Anti-Federalist 1776 The amount of assumptions in this one are just too many to start with. Martin has given you loose ends that can never be tied up or proven We're never gonna have time for a dany flash back that goes over where she was at as a baby. How is that gonna matter to the overall plot? WHy would Martin tie that in? You act like he's got 75 more years to live and 10 more books to write. . . . . Insanity ************** Anti-Federalist 1776 15 hours ago @Eric Miller i am using actual source material buttressed with GRRM's previous half century of writing themes & internal SciFi logical assertations... yet "im making it up" cause GRRM could possibly happen to change something in the your supposed future scenario??? Okay... ******************** Daniel Moir 15 hours ago Anti-Federalist 1776 Ned Stark would not have needed to hide the identity of his legitimate nephew born from his older brother and a woman who wasn’t sitting the throne. Ned’s honor wouldn’t have allowed him to claim a lordship that didn’t belong to him. The origin you spell out makes no sense, since Ned would have served as Lord Regent until Jon came of age. The only reason Jon’s linage would have needed to remains secret is either if he is Ned’s bastard, or R+L=J were true, and Jon poses a threat to the Baratheon claim. I also hate to break this to everyone, but GRRM has said the major beats of the story will remain the same. The journey getting from beat to beat might differ, but major plot points like this will remain the same. Your fan theory isn’t going to work in the books at all. ****************** Anti-Federalist 1776 15 hours ago @Daniel Moir So... Ned was just going to give away Winterfell to Brandon's son??? Which is what happens in your whole "there is no need to hide Jons lineage" premise... that is a very pressing reason for Ned to obfuscate Jons parentage, that you are bypassing like it is nothing. *********************** kabukiman69 11 hours ago seems like almost all of the story was ultimately for nothing to the story ******************* Anti-Federalist 1776 11 hours ago @kabukiman69 since the showrunners had absolutely no idea what the actual story was... then they were unable to actually show why Bran ending up as King is by far the worst possible outcome. THAT is the dire threat that they are facing... not the Others who are just genetically unstable telepathic humans, that the North stopped giving their bastards to 2 centuries ago when Good Queen Alsace ended the right of first night & closed down the Nightfort which had the Gods Gate in it. White Walker/Night King bullshit has nothing to do with the half century GRRM has been a novelist... that's some basic (((Hollywood))) storytelling, GRRM might be a leftwing hippy libtard but he still one of those (((people))) which his writing reflects. ********************* k4yser 8 hours ago @Anti-Federalist 1776 why could Jon mount a dragon? ********************* Blake Hunt 4 hours ago @k4yser You mean why could Jon mount a Dragon in the show? Because the show is not canon. Its fanservice. Alot of the ideas they implemented in the show was just because people online would want to see it. There is no reason to think Jon will ride a dragon in the books. ***************** Anti-Federalist 1776 7 hours ago @k4yser bringing up retarded show shit is invalid in discussing why the show is retarded & did retarded fanfiction things like using retarded Rheagar Targaryen + Lyanna Stark = Jon. Though it might be possible for Jon to "Nettle" a dragon like Quinton is trying to do with one of the two escaped dragons in Maureen that he let loose, since the whole point of Rheagar chasing Lyanna was to try to create Dany thus substituting the Stark telepathic Warging gene for the Targaryen telepathic Dragon gene. Note: (In the novels Nettle was a bastard who through feeding a constant stream of lambs was able to get a dragon to accept her back during the Targaryen civil war where there were a few unclaimed dragons living in Westros & a lordship was offered by both sides to anyone who could claim one. Nettle being an orphan girl on Dragonstone would be easy to suspect that she was a bastard bloodline having the Targaryen telepathic Dragon gene but it isn't even implied either way... making it possible that anyone could actually ride a dragon if they can buy the dragons loyalty with food, though that seems the more unlikely of the two possibilities.) ****************** Anti-Federalist 1776 @punker87 what "Theories" from outside the book universe am I mixing up? My whole premise is and always has been since about 100 pages into Game of Thrones when it was originally published in paperback +20 years ago... that ASOIAF was a Thousand Worlds series, when the "Red Comet" was introduced that I recognized as an Ecological Engineering Corps starship. So you have deny the Red Comet as a Ecological Engineering Corps starship from the novella Plauge Star, you have to deny that The Others & Thoros are telepathic Corpse Handlers from the Corpse Handler trilogy, you have to deny that the four limbed (not six limbed fantasy) dragons arent a gene engineered war animal that Tuf would created as part of the first Tuf Voyaging story, you have to deny the Sandship being described exactly like a Federal Empire starship, you have to deny that every "seat of power" in Westros is connected to deep subterranean levels that appear to be nuclear fallout shelters, you have to deny buildings like Storms End & the Citadel as being built by a very high technological society. ************* Anti-Federalist 1776 @Ryan Zibell GRRM has a +20 works involving exactly that exact premise... it's called The Thousand Worlds, I started reading GRRM with the Tuf Voyaging trilogy which is set in the Thousand Worlds universe. I then read all the other Thousand Worlds universe stories as well as most of the rest of GRRM writings before Game of Thrones was organized released in paperback. It's why I keep bringing up other books like Plague Star or Bitterblooms as well as the Tuf Voyaging trilogy & the Corpse Handler trilogy... these are all Thousand Worlds books that contain the exact same things as ASOIAF. Most of the interstellar Federal Empire fell into a deep interregnum following the pyrrhic victory in the Double War, after the Fydii got pulled down in their own two fronted interstellar war by the alien species to their galactic East & Humanity was able to beat the Hrangain back to their homeworld. The Children of the Forest would be the Weirwoods (Hrangain) telepathically controlled slave species that fought alongside the Hrangain... the Others are the genetically engineered humans from the war, which they are clearly genetically unstable. The whole North used to feed their bastards through the Godsgate for thousands & thousands of years until two centuries ago when Good Queen Alsace stopped it. So for millienia when the North was doing what Crastor did... there was peace but once the flow of new children stopped & never restarted, then now the Others have to invade but on a conquest for new genetic material not geographical territory otherwise they go extinct.
  3. Ouspensky and the forth way

    Gurdjieff's 4th Way is primarily based on Karma Yoga. There are 4 major categories of attaining to one's ultimate nature (Buddha Nature, True Self, No Self...whatever you want to call it.). Jnana Yoga - uses intellectual intelligence as a primary vehicle Bhakti Yoga - uses emotional intelligence as a primary vehicle Kriya Yoga - uses energies of the body as a primary vehicle (a lot of Qigong/Neigong is 3rd Way stuff) Karma Yoga - uses everyday life activities of everything your own daily life throws at you as a primary vehicle In truth everybody has a mix of all 4 but because people have different things they enjoy and prefer typically one of these 4 will be primary while the other 3 act as supports. Gurdjieff was always talking about how he was trying to teach people right in the midst of life's happenings with all the hustle bustle of daily modern lifestyles. That is absolutely a Karma Yoga way of reaching people. Or as Sri Aurobindo said - your life becomes your yoga. It has the benefit of allowing busy people to "do Yoga" even while on the job or performing for audiences, speaking, playing, etc. The bit about periodically suddenly flushing his disciple's Sanga's down the drain around him was one means of reminding everyone part of the inner growth any yoga is to not get too stuck or too comfortable/dependent upon things working out the way you prefer to keep your inner stability and joy going. As the student's Karma Yoga (4th Way) begins to take hold things like suddenly permanently losing your beloved Guru or Teacher and Sanga (as happened over and over with Gurdjieff's students) will knock you off balance and upset you less and less. Because in life...sometimes stuff you don't like happens anyway for reasons you don't understand even though you are a master at all the 4th way practices taught. A teacher may move on if he or she sees his/her sticking around is strengthening instability/dependency rather than the opposite. Or they may use it as a teaching method. Or both. Other Gurus have done similar things like this, not just Gurdjieff only. Advancing students will often grow to be very self-reliant and resilient to a point where a Guru/Teacher will only very occasionally pop up to help. Sometimes not at all. In other words...if something is working for that disciple, don't mess with it.
  4. The 5 Preliminaries

    Can anyone tell me the exact Sutra or Sutras that Buddha gave of the 5 preliminaries before moving on to the 4 foundations of mindfulness?
  5. Chundi mantra

    BTW, Because Sadhguru's talk finally made the lightbulb turn on for me about the levels of mind (and Cundi mantra) I've decided to practice it again and pair it with the Vairocana mantra that Bodri says goes very well with it.
  6. Chundi mantra

    I wanted to pop in and add something to this thread. I think I now understand a little bit why the Cundi mantra is so powerful. Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev says the yoga tradition teaches there are 16 overarching aspects of Mind. The deepest, most powerful and most subtle is the aspect right before one reaches Nirvana like a Buddha (or since he's Shaivite, Shiva). He said when this aspect of one's mind is awakened its as if all of life and life energies within and without arranges itself according to one's wishes. He said without one's self even asking the Divine for 'this or that' [insert Desire here] - Life will seemingly simply arrange itself so it manifests. He said before you ever ask for it - it will already be so - (from this talk came my understanding: Cundi is that aspect of Awakened Mind that is the All-Wishes Fulfilled Jewel - interestingly I've heard the name Siddhartha translated into English also means "all wishes fulfilled"). Sadhguru says Everything...inner and outer begins to manifest great good fortune when this final and most subtle part of your mind is finally awake and functioning. It is this Mind - the deepest and most subtle (right before it crosses over into Shiva/Buddhahood) - that has the 32 Major marks and 80 minor ones. The level of good fortune this kind of Awakened Mind creates is astounding in its auspiciousness. Of course this talk implies there are other methods for awakening this deepest and most auspicious aspect of Mind. It's just that the Cundi mantra targets this part of Mind directly like a guided missile. That's its goal and aim. This is why Cundi is known as the Mother of Buddhas for 7 Kotis. Beyond Cundi (in Hindu teachings at least) one finally crosses into the realm of Shiva (masculine). In Buddhism, beyond Cundi is Nirvana like the Buddha's Parinirvana. Because of Sadhguru's talk about it I now understand why Bill Bodri (and thus Master Nan Hua-Chin since Bodri got it from Master Nan) said this one mantra is beyond comprehension in its ability to confer vast good fortune - to the point of making even really horrible karma not be nearly so bad while its working itself out as it otherwise would have been. Not to mention the vast good fortune on tap via one's fully Awakened Mind (ok, may take some folks 800,000 single-pointed repetitions to get fully Awakened Mind on tap but at least it's possible).
  7. Rebirth in Pureland Mantra - story + video

    Namo Amitabhaya - Homage to Amitabha Tathagataya tadyatha - Homage to the Thus Come One Amrto Bhava - Nectar Occur (bhava = masc. sing. 'to get', 'to produce','turning into') Amrta Siddhambhava - Nectar (bhava - 'to produce') Siddha-accomplishment Amrta Vikrante - Nectar Go Beyond (vikrante masc. sing. - 'to step beyond, make mighty strides, to strive) Amrta Vikranta - Nectar Go Beyond Gamine - Glorious Gagane - 'emptiness' (the actual Sanskrit word means 'up to open sky' - ie. the mantra is capturing via simile that all beings are ultimately like an empty sky via use of this one word) kirtachare (sometimes spelled kirta kare) - Glorify (the) Name (some variants of this mantra add 'of the Nectar-Producing One) Svaha! - Hail! (with the intent of 'execute these verses to achieve perfection') - energetically (ie Chi-wise) according to some mantra yoga books and videos Svaha acts on the meridians and chakras like hitting the Enter key to input the Execute command of a computer program.
  8. Rebirth in Pureland Mantra - story + video

    Combining the above information with the story from the video I now think at least one of the powers of the Pureland Rebirth mantra (in addition to what Lady Clara experienced!) is to open the way to becoming a Siddha. Amitabha Buddha at minimum is a Maha Siddha (as well as a Samyak-Sambuddha) imo. Edit: after all... one of the titles given to Amitabha Buddha is the Buddha of Infinite Life and Shakyamuni taught one of the abilities of a Buddha is the ability to have one's lifespan be as long as one wishes. Amitabha Buddha's lifespan is said to be incalculable it's so long.
  9. Rebirth in Pureland Mantra - story + video

    I include the following excerpt from a book I have. I do so because this excerpt deals directly with the Amrita (Amrto, Amrta - aka Nectar of Immortality, aka Sweet Dew) the Rebirth in Pureland mantra invokes. The following comes from Kundalini: Aghora II by Robert Svoboda [ISBN: 978-0914732-31-0] pp. 88-89 Svoboda 's Guru: "Ordinary Kundalini Yoga is difficult enough, but an Aghori makes it even more intense. Do you know how you feel when you are full of lust? You can't wait to enjoy sex; you will rip off your own clothes, and then rip the clothes off your partner. Likewise an Aghori, filled with the desire to experience Reality, rips the coverings, the clothes, off the Universe when he wishes to love it. If you really want to progress at Kundalini Yoga you must forget your body, that thing which is clothing your consciousness, and to do that you must first forget food and water. After 3 days without water you begin to feel dizzy, your blood thickens, and so on. After 5 days you begin to gasp, and unless you are really dedicated you will decide you don't want to die and you'll drink. Aghora is the fast, direct way, but it is too difficult for most people. "If you don't want to force yourself to quit eating, and want to progress by stratagem instead, which is the way of the clever sadhaka, you must first understand the nature of food. To do this you must first thoroughly understand the nature of the 3 Coverings of the universe, which are----" Svoboda: "The 3 Gunas, the 6 Tastes, and the 5 Great Elements." Svoboda's Guru: "The 6 Tastes are within the body, not outside. Have they taught you this yet in the Ayurvedic college?" Svoboda: "They have alluded to it." Svoboda's Guru: "oh, they have alluded to it, have they? Anyway, if you want to do without food and drink entirely and live only on air you must manufacture all the tastes within the body; then there is no need to take them from outside. Amrita, the 'nectar of immortality,' is a glandular sustance created within the body which is necessary for this purpose." Svoboda: "That too had been alluded to in Ayurveda, with little explanation." Svoboda's Guru: "We exist only because of the 3 Gunas: Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas. Most people do not know that Sattva and Tamas are two sides of the same coin. Sattva is Amrita, which is of the essence of the Fire Element. The Amrita in your head, this glandular substance, is the physical manifestation of pure Sattva. Tamas is Visha, deadly poison, which is of the essence of the Water Element. The metabolic toxins in your body poison both it and your mind. When you remove the bad qualities from poison it becomes nectar, and if you add bad qualities to nectar it will become poison. Ayurveda is full of examples of how poisonous plants and minerals can be used for medicine, and how improperly used medicines become poisons. I believe I am correct?" Svoboda: "Yes, You are." Svoboda's Guru: "Rajas is the bridge between the two. Rajas can transmute Tamas into Sattva, and it can degrade Sattva into Tamas. Rajas is pure shakti, energy, the very incarnation of illusion, of Maha Maya. Rajas does not know what it is doing; it just does it, so it must be well controlled. When Rajas is properly controlled almost anything can be achieved. And the only being Who knows how to control Shakti is Shaktiman: Lord Shiva. [my note: my own preference here would be to say the One Who Knows and Properly Controls, With Pervasive, Perfected Wisdom is a Samyak-Sambuddha / Tatagatha but since this book is from a Hindu perspective I want to keep the words exactly as published.] Svoboda's Guru: "The name Rudra, which is another name for Lord Shiva, indicates the shedding of tears. Rudra brings you nothing but tears. Before the Rudra Granthi is pierced the sadhaka sheds tears of misery, of Maya, because he cannot be sure of himself, or of the existence of God. This doubt continues until that Knot is pierced, when all doubt is removed. The glands of the body then begin to secrete Amrita: they 'shed tears'. This Amrita causes the devotee to shed tears of joy. Shiva drinks poison but he converts it into Amrita. In order to do this you must know the relation between Visha, which is poison, and Vishaya, which means sense object. The world of sense objects is the true poison because it is impermanent. People fleetingly regard it as permanent, and this leads to delusion. During sex, for instance, a man feels, "Oh! What bliss I am enjoying!' But suddenly, pfssst! - emission. Then he realizes, "No, it is no longer there.". His dream construction of heaven has evaporated. "Everything Shiva takes in is converted into Amrita, which is called Amrita because it is permanent, not transitory. And that is why it is connected only with Lord Shiva, Who is your real Self, your soul. As long as you are in the world your consciousness is connected with sense objects; it is the state of transience, of ignorance. Only when you come to Shiva can you find Amrita. "To obtain Amrita the grace of your guru is also necessary, at the very end when you are just on the threshold of progress. It is like a Rishi's goat sacrifice. The Rishi who kills the goat will send it into a higher womb, but the goat doesn't know that and feels great pain at first. The sadhaka who wants to do without food also suffers, but a good guru is relentless, and finally the Amrita is obtained. The disciple goes beyond food and becomes a Siddha, an immortal." ***** edits: assorted typos
  10. Thought I would share with the board this lovely video by Master Chin-Kung. While it's a talk about what to do if you're the sole person among your family and friends to follow the Buddha that's not why I am posting it. The real gem of the story is appended from an article account of what happened to Lady Clara Lin Kok Yuen at the moment of her death. She practiced the Amitabha Rebirth in Pureland mantra regularly. Let's just say...if the account is really true - well, I was blown away and knew I had to post this video to the board. If you want you can fast forward to 4 minutes. That's when Master Chin-Kung begins the story about Lady Clara and her family and friends. Don't exit the video after his talk because that's when the newspaper article begins. Read it. And if you're like me - be stunned at the power of this Pureland Mantra (and of Amitabha!). Lady Clara Lin Kok Yuen and the Amitabha Pureland Rebirth mantra
  11. I think the board might appreciate this video.
  12. What is a Buddha?

    Just a little note to say that one of the reasons I like Sadhguru is that he has released a few videos wherein he praises the Buddha quite a bit.
  13. What is a Buddha?

    Though he is not himself a Buddhist, Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev once touched on this topic in response to an audience question. He said a Buddha is one who is above Intellect (Buddhi). Intellect (Buddhi) is what separates humans from animals. Animals know and are aware. But only humans have Buddhi. We not only know but we know that we know. This opens up tremendous potential in humans that is not possible for animals - even highly intelligent ones. once Buddhi is active each person can actively choose and direct his or her own growth potential - going in whichever direction he/she prefers. Animals do not have this option because their Buddhi has not yet bloomed. Buddhi has also bloomed in devas and gods. They also have Buddhi. A Buddha has gone beyond even this. Has jumped beyond even Buddhi, he said (ie Sadhguru said). A Buddha's wisdom, compassion, power, etc is beyond comprehension (apparently literally < [my comment]). And though Sadhguru's talk did not state it I suspect it is nonetheless true - A Buddha's Power has therefore also jumped beyond Buddhi. That is why it is said only a Buddha can first turn the wheel of the Dharma after the Dharma has ended. Dharma, in this case, having a transcendent wisdom, compassion and transcendent energy component. It is an "energy" / Chi / Unsurpassed Spiritual Power thing (ie setting in motion the wheel of the energy/Shakti* that leads to liberation for sentient beings - it is an exceedingly rare special type of spiritual power that only Buddhas possess), not merely an Intellect (Buddhi-based) thing - a jump beyond on a scale so vast and limitless in scope even the greatest God(s) imaginable can not compare. Thus the Buddha was a world-honored one even among devas and deities. ****** Edit: * Now I think I understand why Maitreya Buddha said "For the sake of rescuing you all I have given to innumerable people my kingdom, my head, my eyes, my hands, my feet and my wife. Beginning today are my liberation and the unsurpassed great silence and stillness." I puzzled over that phrase - particularly the word wife but I think maybe I have an inkling of what he meant (or at least how it means to this little worldling). Wife = Shakti (which is always described as feminine). Taoism sees Yin as the powerhouse and is also seen as the feminine. And when one practices meditation and letting go it is often described as getting Shakti (female energy / unsurpassed power) to unite with Shiva (male stillness/unwaveringness/emptiness). According to Sadhguru: 'Shi' - 'va' = the syllables mean (and invoke) 'that-which-is-not' 'Shakti' = the syllables mean (and invoke) 'that-which-is' He says they are 2 sides of the same coin. Thus all things are empty.
  14. The Four Dharmas of Attraction

    So I was watching a Youtube vid about the Prophecy of Maitreya's Future Buddhahood when there was a line translated in the vid that talked about cultivating the Four Dharmas of Attraction. For some reason that line popped out at me tonight like it never had before ( I really like that video as it always makes me feel so happy and delightful when I watch it - especially when Maitreya Buddha honors Mahakasyapa and is honored in return by Mahakasyapa). Anyway...I wondered what that meant - the Four Dharmas of Attraction as I'd never noticed them before so I ran a search on it and found some commentary by Master Hsuan Hua translated into English from the Avatamsaka Sutra (isn't that the same as the Flower Ornament Sutra?). There was a transcription of a small bit of the sutra followed by Master Hua's commentary and I noticed it was giving an exacting description of precisely the things one needs to put into practice daily to attain to the 4 Dharmas of Attraction. Those being 1. Attracting living beings 2. The power to use kind and loving words to inspire them and inspire joy 3. Beneficial Conduct 4. Similarity in Deeds Master Hua states the first two are the beginning practices on the path to being a Bodhisattva and it all starts with the daily mental practice of seeing yourself giving offerings to all the Buddhas of all the time periods and all directions. Then you immediately imagine any reciprocal benefit coming to you from the first step - you then turn around and imagine yourself giving that benefit to the ground of all-wisdom. I presume the all-wisdom is prajna wisdom, yes? the article never really states what is meant by "all-wisdom" I assume it means 'prajna' wisdom. To my great surprise I noticed this document was a description of some things I like to do. I did them just because it's to a point that envisioning such is simply expressing a true desire I have. I was not aware it is actually considered a real cultivation method for the mind but apparently it is. I just do it because I want to at that particular moment when it pops up. Was not aware there is any particular kind of fruit from that practice but it seems to be that there is. Now where I am somewhat perplexed is with the final 2 "practices". Beneficial Conduct and Similarity in Deeds. Master Hua says these are not quite the same as practicing the paramita of giving (ie generosity). Practicing giving is a practice of the first two but not completely of the last two. That is...it shows this person is a beginner, a white belt, a greenhorn on the path to becoming a Bodhisattva. Which made me laugh because now I can definitely state I am a noob - Mind-wise - on the path even according to other Buddhists. Back to the last 2 dharmas. They seem obvious at first glance. Until I really started to wonder what those 2 practices must actually consist of as a daily routine. And that I confess I don't know for sure. Beneficial Conduct seems kind of happenstance...maybe that day you'll be lucky enough to practice it if you're around enough people but if you live alone or for whatever reason don't have much daily contact with other people it might not pop up as an opportunity at all. Or perhaps it involves some kind of practice I'm not aware of. Nor did the article extract mention one. Similarity in Deeds is even more puzzling. About the only thing I can think of is that old saw some religious people ask themselves, "what would Jesus do in this situation?" or "what would the Buddha do in this situation?" and then hopefully intuit the answer (Buddha-dharma-compliant of course). I want to practice the other 2 dharmas as well. Does anyone know if the Avatamsaka Sutra itself explains those last two and gives examples? I don't own a copy so unfortunately can not read the source document. Is there anyone here who practices along these lines daily to cultivate the four dharmas of attraction? If so what do you do and what has been your experience of such? Here is the extract I found: http://www.drbachinese.org/vbs/1_100/vbs93/93_3.html The original Youtube vid I watched:
  15. All Things Mantra

    Another addendum about the Cundi mantra. In that region of India Cundi is often spelled with dots above each of the letters - i.e - umlauts.