The Tao Of Nietzsche

[Marblehead]

An achievable dynamic balanced harmony between the aspirations we have and the possibilities presented to us.

I like the way you said that.

 

And true it is that I am not suggesting that Nietzsche was a Taoist. No where close to my intentions. I do like to believe that Nietzsche's philosophy does suppliment Taoist philosophy and that there is a lot of similarities between Nietzsche and Chuang Tzu even though the means to the end are very different.

 

Yeah, have a great weekend.

[Bubbles]

Thanks to you Stosh for provinding me opportunities to contribute. Have a nive week-end too and a great party for the New Year to come.

 

Thanks to you Marblehead for hosting this thread in your heart/mind space and supporting my contribution.

 

Be well

Edited December 29, 2012 by bubbles

[Marblehead]

Fred said:

 

 

"There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness."

 

What? No reason in love?

Edited January 14, 2013 by Marblehead

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

we still yackin' about special fred?

[Marblehead]

we still yackin' about special fred?

Yeah, I thought it was time to think about him again.

[Marblehead]

And Chuang replied:

 

"The understanding of the men of ancient times went a long way. How far did it go? To the point where some of them believed that things have never existed - so far, to the end, where nothing can be added. Those at the next stage thought that things exist but recognized no boundaries among them. Those at the next stage thought there were boundaries but recognized no right and wrong. Because right and wrong appeared, the Way was injured, and because the Way was injured, love became complete. But do such things as completion and injury really exist, or do they not?"

[GrandmasterP]

If we're to have a new series then it really must open with the theme song.....

 

 

Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable,

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the table,

David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was twice as sloshed as Schlegel.

 

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach yer 'bout the raising of the wrist,

Socrates himself was permanently pissed.

 

John Stewart Mill, of his own free will, on half a pint of shandy was particularly ill,

Plato, they say, could stick it away, half a crate of whisky every day,

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle, Hobbes was fond of his dram,

And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am."

 

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed -

A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.

Edited January 15, 2013 by GrandmasterP

[zerostao]

socrates was particularly annoying

[Marblehead]

I'm not going to get involved with those other dudes. I sometime have strong disagreements with Fred and I don't want he and some other excessive drinker getting into a fight.

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

this is about nietzche not other philosophiern

[Marblehead]

Now how did you know that I was tinking that it was about time for me to post another Nietzsche quote?

this is about nietzche not other philosophiern

You are correct. This is a collection of Nietzsche quotes and the consideration if there is any parallel with Chuang Tzu's thoughts.

 

I'll be back.

[Marblehead]

Here's an interesting one:

 

Fred said, "A thinker sees his own actions as experiments and questions--as attempts to find out something. Success and failure are for him answers above all."

[zerostao]

not getting involved with those other dudes is understandable,

but certainly we need to consider max stirner and von hartmann

both of which were enormous influences of our dear freddy.

to the extent even that freddy was almost acused of plagiarizing stirner

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_Friedrich_Nietzsche_and_Max_Stirner

 

'Whoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap."

I say: liberate yourself as far as you can, and you have done your part; for it is not given to every one to break through all limits, or, more expressively, not to everyone is that a limit which is a limit for the rest."

max

Edited July 3, 2013 by zerostao

[Marblehead]

Because of this cold I have my head is not able to handle reading new stuff right now. I will catch up later.

[zerostao]

hope you get to feeling better soon.

[Marblehead]

hope you get to feeling better soon.

Thanks. Things will change, I prefer for the better.

[Marblehead]

'Whoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap."

I say: liberate yourself as far as you can, and you have done your part; for it is not given to every one to break through all limits, or, more expressively, not to everyone is that a limit which is a limit for the rest."

max

Yes, Nietzsche spoke to this. I too speak to this when I suggest that we should find our own capacities and capabilitites. I don't like to use the word "limit" because our capacities and capabilities will change over time so any limit was imaginary and perhaps even a restrictor.

 

And yes, I would say that to liberate one's self as far as one can would be an Anarchist goal.

 

For some reason when I was doing the majority of my reading of Nietzsche I was never drawn to read Stirner or von Hartmann.

[Marblehead]

At least no one has of yet corrupted Nietzschian Philosophy into a religion.

[Apech]

At least no one has of yet corrupted Nietzschian Philosophy into a religion.

 

The Nazis?

[Marblehead]

The Nazis?

Nope. That never became a religion. It was a corruption for the purpose of stealing all the money from the hard-working Jews. If one is lazy it is easier to steal from those who work hard than it is to honestly earn one's own income.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Marblehead

[Apech]

Nope. That never became a religion. It was a corruption for the purpose of stealing all the money from the hard-working Jews. If one is lazy it is easier to steal from those who work hard than it is to honestly earn one's own income.

 

It was a kind of creed though. And Nietzsche wasn't very nice about the Jews himself was he?

 

(just trying to get an argument going because you avoided the one on the misconceptions about Daoism thread )

[Marblehead]

It was a kind of creed though.

Yes, and that was sad.

 

And Nietzsche wasn't very nice about the Jews himself was he?

No. That was a lie from his sister and her Nazi friend formed after Fred died. Nietzsche even broke ties with his best friend Wagner (the composer) because Wagner was ant-Semetic.

 

 

(just trying to get an argument going because you avoided the one on the misconceptions about Daoism thread )

Well, you have done well. I get so tired of my redundancy sometimes. I can just imagine who others feel.

 

Yeah, many misconceptions. But many of us are on missions from god so they must do what they must do.

[Protector]

I had an argument going once

 

and if no one stops me I MIGHT DO IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!

[Marblehead]

I had an argument going once

 

and if no one stops me I MIGHT DO IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!

Well, would you like to talk about Nietzsche? If you do, well, let's get it on!

[zerostao]

i coulda put this in the mystical poetry thread,,yes, i coulda (who woulda stopped me?)

but this thread will do,,needed some bump here anyways

ok, here goes! a mystical poem by that mystic poet, who is sometimes referred to as 'uncle fred"

 

How long have you been sitting

on your misfortune?

watch out! you will yet hatch

an egg,

a basilisk egg

from your long misery.

 

Why is Zarathustra prowling along the mountain?

 

mistrustful, ulcerous, gloomy,

long in ambush---

but suddenly lightning,

bright, terrible, a bolt

to heaven from the abyss:

even the mountain's

intestines quiver.

 

where hatred and lightning

have become one, a curse---

on the mountains dwells Zarathustra's wrath;

a thunderhead, he prowls along.

 

Take cover, whoever still has a blanket left!

Into bed with you, milksops!

Now thunder is rolling across the vaulting,

now whatever is beam or wall is trembling,

now lightning is flashing and sulphur-yellow truths--

Zarathrustra is cursing---

 

this coin with which

all the world makes payment---

fame---

with gloves i touch this coin,

with disgust i grind it underfoot.

 

Who wants to be paid?

Those for sale.

with fat hands

The venal grasp

for this vulgar tin clink of fame!

 

Do you wish to buy them?

they are all for sale.

but offer them much!

Clink with a full purse!

otherwise you strengthen them,

otherwise you strengthen their virtue.

 

They are all virtuous.

Fame and virtue rhyme.

as long as the world lives,

it pays for cackling of virtue

with the clacking of fame;

the world lives of this noise.

 

Before all who are virtuous

I wish to be guilty,

be called guilty of every great guilt!

Before all the megaphones of fame

my ambition becomes a worm---

 

among those i crave

to be the lowest.

This coin with which

all the world makes payment---

fame---

with gloves I touch this coin,

with disgust i grind it underfoot.

 

Silent!

Of great things---I see what is great---

one should be silent

or speak with greatness:

Speak with greatness, my enchanted wisdom!

 

I look up---

see billowing seas of light:

O night, O silence, O noise still as death!

I see a sign---

from the farthest distance

a constellation sinks slowly toward me, sparkling.

 

Highest star of being!

Table of eternal images!

You come to me?

What no one has beheld,

your mute beauty---

what? it does not flee from my eyes?

 

Shield of necessity!

Table of eternal images!

but you know:

what all hate,

I alone love,

that you are eternal

that you are necessary!

My love is ignited

eternally only by necessity.

 

Shield of necessity!

Highest star of being

--- not reached by any wish,

not stained by any No,

eternal Yes of being---

eternally I am your Yes:

for I love you, o eternity!