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  1. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Just saw this post had you at a total of "108" posts (beneath your name to the left here on the forum, next to the messages). 108 is a significant number in hinduism, it has showed up a lot since I married my wife, whenever Almighty God wants to signal to me that something is Divine. So I take it that our exchange has been divinely orchestrated to expand both of our minds Yes of course, thanks for sharing your viewpoints, I agree and deeply appreciate it. For sure, what saved us at the end of the day was mostly the sufi method using surah Ta-Ha, ayat 68-69 about Moses. Btw, do you have any connections at all to Javanese spirituality? Have seen a lot of interesting stuff, as there's both daoist qigong (3 dan tien, 5 elements, 5 organ qi, cultivating qi, using it for healing through meridians and acupoints) alongside shamanistic ancestor and spirit magic, talismans, amulets etc, sufi/islamic work using the guardian angels of the names and verses, as well as of course hindu/buddhist elements. Yeah me too, really enjoy our exchange

  2. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    And thanks for sharing about your dream, very fascinating. Yes, sounds like the sense impressions from your research lodged in your unconscious and replayed during the night as images.

  3. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    I understand the uncomfortableness of grouping according to race and skin-colour due to the past decade of political correctness, and ofc the general history of mankind. But it's not a theory produced mentally in someone's head. There is a spiritual truth in race, like it or not, and I get that "white vs non-white" can be upgraded in terms of its definition and precision, just like you correctly state that eastern europeans are also white. It's just for ease of use, and it's not the color per se, it's the race or ethnic group. If you develop your soul and energy, you can clearly feel that each race has a different type of soul and energy, it's not mental, it's not from someone's head, it's just a lived, experiential fact and truth. We've learnt to mentally block ourselves from sensing this, but it's a base truth everyone on planet Earth experiences easily, simply and immediately upon contact with other people. This felt, sensed and experiental fact is then what has led to all the problems (racism, slavery, genocide, ethnocentrism, you name it). But that's like saying we shouldn't discuss apples and pears, as they're both fruits. Yes, but why not see things for what they are and then take it from there? It's the mental interpretation of the experience that's flawed, not the base, sensed, felt, matter-of-fact observation. Races are different, it's just a fact. What we then do with that fact, okay, we can then discuss that. I do agree that indo-europeans came from the same, that's why all the languages are in the same family, that's why Nordic mythology, Greek mythology, Hinduism, you name it, is so similar. It's literally the same source material, which then over millenia morphed, just like the languages. E.g. Indra is god of thunder, Thor is god of thunder, Zeus is god of thunder etc. The word Friday is from "Freya's Day", Freya being the nordic god of love, sexuality and pleasure. In astrology friday is associated with Venus, and Friday is the best day for a lot of Goddess worship in Hinduism and so on. It's similar, because it's the same source - same original people or race, same original language, same original religion, which then slowly morphed over time as this one people spread geographically. And I do agree with a lot of the historical, religious and cultural observations you mentioned. People of different races, cultures and religions even have different auras, I'm not "an island", meaning I'm just one guy sharing my observations, Barbara Brennan who's put in pretty high regard in the white (sorry to use it again, I'm teasing you ) new age community, she's also clearly shared her observations about this, as has Rosalyn Bruyère. There are differences, it's not a value judgement at all from my side, it's just a matter of fact observation, nothing wrong with that. We're all children of God, but our race is like our vehicle, e.g. some drive a ferrari, some a range rover, some a volkswagen, each has pros and cons, but there's no difference in inherent value, all bring their uniqueness to the table. I think it's beautiful, it's incredible how God created all this. Just zoom in on two grains of sand on a beach, they will be different. Zoom in on two drops of water, they'll also be unique, same with two snowflakes. But grains of sand have something in common, they're sand, drops are water, and snowflakes are snowflakes. It's not a value judgement, it's just an observation.

  4. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    @Lala Nila Yes, me, my dad and cousins all have it, albeit not as strongly. He had it like clockwork, whenever something was about to go down, very related to the material world and survival, the close ones, the family etc. Whereas for me it's mostly related to spiritual guidance, but I also get dreams of warnings sometimes, or guidance about the people close to me in everyday life (their true character and motives etc). My wife never had dreams her whole life, as soon as we moved in together, she started getting it too. Now it's almost a daily breakfast topic before we hit the day, we talk about our dreams and what they meant. So it's there in my energy field somehow. Now that she started getting dreams it's always about her family and how they're doing. Mine is mostly spiritual guidance as I said, but also what's happening with my family, and sometimes material warnings or guidance. Ofc also the odd psychological dream about my own emotional unconscious every now and then, but usually when I wake it's quite clear what kind of dream it was (psychological or spiritual). Also whenever people cross over, I usually dream of them, see their current state, exchange last words, sometimes help them if they're lost. I cannot always do it in the dream, then I do it in my meditation during the day. I noticed that most non-white people naturally have all these things, a natural connection to spirit, intuition, gut instinct, dreams and the ancestors. Because my one side of the family all have it, whereas the white don't at all. And ofc growing up in majority white society, no one could really mirror these things back to me, as it was just outside their experience, they didn't know, didn't feel, didn't understand. All was mental. Then when I was a teenager I got a lot of friends with immigrant background, serbians, iranians, people from the Middle East, and ALL had it, naturally. Gut instinct, dreams. I also noticed it when I became a SKY master and started giving chakra initiations to people. Non-white people receive the energy much easier and more powerfully, it impacts them very deeply on a soul level much faster. It was the same when I was doing qigong healing as taught by firstly Zhongxian Wu then later Chunyi Lin, this was between 2018-2022. All the non-white people would get visions, dreams, cry, see their deceased grandparents, they would get guidance in the session what had happened and what they needed to change, it was very natural and spontaneous, flowing. I spoke with a sufi master about it, he himself obviously being from the Middle East, and he said he had observed the same. He said it's because each race is designed by God in a particular way, orginally more suitable for physical survival in particular climates, but later now it's related to the types of souls and the "karma" (from eastern perspective) they need to work out. Ofc in sufism they say it's the qadr or qismat, or destiny/fate written for that soul. E.g. people from particular races, cultures and religions are meant to go through different types of karma and soul corrections. Some examples of "nations" and their soul types according to Sufism and Kabbalah (just to give an idea): For instance people born in Iraq are said to be souls with pure hearts, but as they were warriors in past lifetimes, in this life, no matter how innocent and friendly they are, people will attack them, betray them, fool them etc., it's their karma. Whereas people born in Scandinavia or moving to live in Scandinavia are souls which are to learn about mental organisation and structure, but their challenge is that they become "removed" from life itself. Instead of efficiency and excellence, they become robotic and out of touch with life itself, hence the epidemic of mental ilness, unhappy families etc. People born in the Carribean Islands are people who are naturally grounded, relaxed, at ease, in contact with the physical body, enjoy life naturally, but their challenge is that they become overtaken by sexual pleasure and rivalry too much. Like that the "karmic scripts" of different races, cultures and nations are said to be a hint from Almighty God about ourselves and how to best correct our karma.

  5. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Just saw your mention of "True Will", are you by any chance involved with the Diamond Approach or Diamond Logos?

  6. My Experience With Black Magic

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    @Kasper Yes, I feel like he changed after his wife died, understandably. I also feel he might have grown dis-illusioned with his lifestyle. So I feel he tried "the american way", got some plastic surgery done, trying to max out his money and get rich, just trying new things instead of "being himself". And yes, the over-commercialization is definitely a big part there too. He's kind of root-less, "in-between" Chinese and American culture, growing up with war and survival, social prestige, money and power being number 1, then the American society with competition, crushing rivals, free sexuality etc. Maybe he's a bit lost now in his old age after his wife died and his kids don't really want to see him, because he himself is between cultures and so are his kids. Also the "pressure" to live up to a certain image as a qigong guru, the whole "image" vs reality, this is something I felt a lot with all the people in his organisation. Anyway, at the end of the day he's just a human being like the rest of us, struggling with the challenges that come with being a human being on this planet.

  7. My Experience With Black Magic

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    Hey Kasper, Thanks for your suggestion! I actually paid enormeous amounts to get a bunch of one-on-ones with him, but alas, he said pretty much straight to my face he wasn't powerful enough to stop the black magic. And the things he suggested I was to do myself didn't work, even though I paid so much damn money, again, and again, and again, for many sessions. It really, really hurt financially and in my heart to go through that, and just feel he personally didn't care at all, he wasn't powerful enough to help, and he honestly just wanted to convert me to weekly revenue so he could get more money, even though he didn't help nor care about me. And the amount per session was honestly obscene compared to what you got Of all the gurus I went to, he demanded the largest amount of money, yet he helped me the least, and personally cared the least. It was devastating, heart breaking, honestly. Because he seems so friendly and caring on all his videos and in front of the crowds during the public classes, but on a person-to-person basis, personally, that's just not his true personality He was one of the "qigong healers/masters" I mentioned in my very first long post, at that time I just didn't want to name him, but now that you yourself bring it up, I realize it's just a matter of fact, it's just the truth, that's just what happened, no reason to hide it Like I said, the hindu and sufis I went to charged no money, yet they helped me the most, personally cared, and actually helped me the best they could It was a huge let down personally to go through, I really trusted him

  8. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    @Lala Nila African Voodoo is pretty much just like any shamanistic tradition world wide, it's all the same. It's almost identical to hinduism, qigong and daoism as well. There's life force animating the universe, we should be in harmony with that, and magic is simply working with this life force as well as the ancestors, spirits and Gods. Thanks for sharing about your javanese connection, very interesting! Yes, all the ancestor energy is present in our physical body, and some of them might even be following us and helping us daily or just from time to time. Some stories about my grandfather. He was a typical "caribbean man" in the sense that he had a baby mama everywhere, children in Haiti we didn't know about, in the US with a different woman, 4 kids with 3 different women here in Scandinavia, 2 in Ireland with another women, and God knows how many else spread across the globe. He didn't really know his father, but was close with his mother. However his mother died when he was just 7, so he was sent to live with distant relatives in the US. Since that time his mom would come in his dreams and give him life guidance and messages. As he was a very free spirit who liked to travel here and there, suddenly we wouldn't hear from him for 6 months to a year, but suddenly he would call and warn us of a dream he had. And everytime it came true. E.g. employees stealing money from my dad's business, my dad's relationship breaking (divorce from my mom), my dad's relationship about to break with his new girlfriend, he would call and give the dream warnings about what was about to happen. But my dad is quite the rebel, also because my grandfather wasn't there for him so much when he was younger, so he never listened to the advice. Once my grandfather didn't have money, his mother came in a dream and gave him the numbers to the lottery, and he won using those numbers. Once he used to hang out in a boxing gym when my dad was young and on the national team. They were 3-4 old retired guys, just coming for the hang out daily. My grandfather was one of them. My dad was a fighter. One morning on the bus, my grandfather ran into one of the other old guys. They were chatting just like normal on the bus. However once they reached the gym, the other guy didn't get off. My grandfather thought it was super weird. He told my grandfather to tell the others, that he was doing well but he wasn't coming in, he was going somewhere else. When he arrived and met my dad and the other old guys, he passed the message. The old guys were shocked and got tears in their eyes, because that guy from the bus had died during the night. So it was his soul that came to my grandfather, as my grandfather was the only one who could see and hear him. I could go on and on, there are so many more stories, also my own personal stories of dreams!

  9. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Yes, 100%. I know for sure the power of my African ancestors. My grandfather (who’s now passed away, God rest his soul) had incredible dream powers naturally, though he never cultivated in any way, shape or form. These have been passed on to my father, me and my cousins too, albeit not as strong. But in all the Hindu and Daoist rituals I’ve done for ancestors, the power in the African side is immense! I get incredible dreams and visions, and it’s always of the African side. They were of course connected to Voodoo, which doesn’t need to be dark, it’s just a connection to ancestors, life force of nature and the universe, as well as spirits ofc. I have so many stories to share about this 😁 Tell me more about your Javanese connection 🙏🏼

  10. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Thanks for sharing! Btw, if you don’t mind me asking, what’s your age, nationality and country of residence? You seem very well informed about these occult things on the Asian scene (eg what you said about the prices for different services, magical warfare in the East etc). Just to understand your context better. Just to share my own info so it’s equal, I’m 33, I’m mixed race, 25% African, 15% Eastern European and 60% Scandinavian. I live in Scandinavia now, but have lived in the US, Africa, Switzerland and India too

  11. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Thanks for sharing your viewpoints! I remember you said you had worked with MaoShan, how exactly did you learn these things?

  12. My Experience With Black Magic

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    I believe it's used to scare people away, and ensure that you come with a very determined commitment, and that you're willing to put in the work, even if it hurts you In the dark arts, okay, yes, I do belive there is a price to pay for sure. MaoShan has many lines from what I understand, and some of them are extremely dark and black in nature, I do believe you pay for doing that But other than that, I don't really believe in it as other than a means to filter who approaches

  13. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    How's your experience with the Vimarsha Foundation so far? Which courses did you do? His ads kept popping up on my instagram, facebook, youtube etc, that's how I became aware of him

  14. My Experience With Black Magic

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    First Paragraph Thanks for sharing! So fascinating to hear about your journey. I heard great stuff about Wang Li Peng in general, online and at different qigong retreats where people spoke highly of him. Especially a lady from Sweden, she said his energy and transmission was so powerful it was almost unbearably when he was busting open deep blockages. Fascinating about Roni Edlund, she's also Swedish from what I remember, and dated Damo Mitchell for quite a while. I saw her in some of their joint videos etc throughout the years, but never knew she also taught "on her own". Pranayama and japa, happy to hear you found what works for you now Esoteric & Occult Awesome, fascinating to hear about your journey for sure. Very touching and beautiful to hear about your experiences with Shiva! And fascinating you go directly to the associated sutras and puranas. I am personally always completely flabbergasted at the depth of teaching from even some of the simple stories. Example of Story I was in India about a month ago or so, I first went to learn some "extracurricular" SKY, then went for the last level in Devipuram (Sri Vidya). In Devipuram we got diksha for Subramanyan. I grew up with Hinduism due to my dad, lived in a village in rural India for a month when I was 4, and we went together to that village many times when I grew up. So I knew a lot already, but I never really heard about Subramanyan before. Therefore I asked about some stories etc during the breaks while in Devipuram, and I was so amazed at these short and simple stories containing so much depth and teachings about the energies of each Devata.

  15. My Experience With Black Magic

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    Hey Michael, Do you mean Yin Debt and local spirit king? Yin Debt is quite simple, maybe it can be found online somewhere? It's just lighting candle and incense, saying different mantras and prayers, offering fruits, then a burning ceremony of symbolic money (paper ingots in a bag or an incense mountain), then end with mantras again. Local spirit king is included in 8 great mantras to be said daily in Daoism (da ba shen zhou). In Hindu rituals it's done at the end of a ritual by drawing a simple yantra to the right using sandalwood powder, placing a copper plate on it, then offering some of the naivedyam (food offering) that was used during the main ritual worship, then covering it with water and milk, say a mantra to confer to spirits and send them away, then throw remains in the SW outside your house, then come back and wash all. I can't really share any full detailed ritual here (it's too long), but if you're interested I can ofc point to some of the schools/teachers/courses where these are included One link for example to the 8 great mantras in Daoism is here https://fiveimmortals.com/the-eight-great-incantation/ At 01:07:17 the girl draws the yantra to the right of the devata, place 3 food offerings, give a drop of milk and water, then clap and snap your fingers while you say a mantra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvfcF0DZ-s

  16. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Thanks for sharing! Yes ofc, human beings are human beings Btw what would you say have been your top 3 greatest hits in spirituality? Teachers, practices and so on, would love to hear more

  17. My Experience With Black Magic

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    My Story Yes, it's all there in page 1 of this thread. In short summary, out of jealousy some part of the family still living back in the Middle East (we live in Europe) paid a black magician to curse her. Yes, all is well now. Thailand I've seen a LOT of youtube videos of magic pracitioners in Thailand, I must say I've been very impressed with a lot of them! Firstly they're sweet, human and kind in personality (compared to the more dry and unemotional Chinese) and secondly I really feel power from them. What are your own experiences/connection to Thailand and the Thai tradition?

  18. My Experience With Black Magic

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    @Master Logray Hey, thanks for your comments. Split Definition Yes, regarding the first, I would split it up into 2: 1) spirits, 2) black magic. Cross Magic Regarding "cross" magic, what I've found is that energy is simply energy, nothing is inherently stronger than others. The energy of a traditional lineage (sampradaya in India, silsila in sufism) is manifold stronger than a guy riding solo. Then on top of the lineage energy, the next factor is the power of the individual practitioner. Finally is "the type" of energy. There are so many ways to classify this, in hinduism we could say the 3 gunas of tamas, rajas and satva, or in sufism we would say black or white. In daoism it would maybe be according to 5 elements. In tantrism you could define according to the 6 magical actions: Shānti (pacification) Puṣṭi (enrichment) Vashīkaraṇa (attraction/subjugation) Stambhana (immobilization) Uccāṭana (expulsion/separation) Māraṇa (destruction) In sufism we work with lataif, subtle energy centres, each representing a prophet, and each a particular quality of energy. Red latifa is strength, associated with aliveness, vitality, health and fearlessness (it's David as he was small yet fought Goliath), Yellow latifa is joy, associated with curiosity, playfulness, contentment, happiness (it's Adam, as he curiously named animals in paradise - some traditions take Abraham, as he was a friendly, sharing guy, sharing grass lots with his cousin Lot freely), Green latifa is compassion, associated with tenderness, healing, humanness, not fearing pain (it's associated with Muhammad, as he was very human, all-encompassing in his dealings, marriage, trade, politics, religion, prayer, psychic powers, prophesy etc) Black latifa is peace and power, losing fear of death, associated with Jesus (he literally came back from the dead) White latifa is solidity, stability, trust, patience and support (it's Moses, trusting God step by step through the desert). I feel that I tried to solve all our problems with protection, black and white energy, the peace and stability energy, spreading that everywhere from ayatul kursi and other select verses. This didn't help, so I followed Jesus' advice "pray for those who curse you" and made a specific du'a or prayer given by Muhammad for forgiveness and friendship (green and yellow energy). This also didn't help. The one that stopped all was the black energy of power, as in that particular ayat (verse) is a counter-curse at the end "no matter where the sorceror goes, he will never thrive", meaning that as long as the other person follows adharma or haram ways of life, he cannot suceed. But if he goes to the straight path, dharma, halal, he will live normally. I interpret that as a "punch back". No longer just shielding, blocking or befriending, but actually striking. That's what worked. Taiwan, Thailand, MaoShan Can you explain more about your teacher, lineage, experiences and cultivation in these areas? Would love to know more

  19. My Experience With Black Magic

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    Love Spells Definitely. Army I actually mentioned at the psych eval at 19 years old that I don't want to kill people. So I started as a sergent, then platoon commander training soldiers basic training nationally. However later I was moved to Language and Culture academy due to my language skills. Then I took the first deployment. They didn't bother reading what I said as a 19 year old :'D was late 20s then. Also had 2 herniated discs in an accident when I was platoon commander, that was also in my file, officially setting me as "8% reduced functionality". Luckily they saw none of that haha, so 3 deployments later I was promoted to captain and had my own unit at that army academy for many years. Sufism I grew up mostly with hinduism, honestly, but in a christian country. My dad had 2 main gurus when I grew up we visited in India, however when I was a teenager my dad got a sufi shaykh as his personal one-on-one guru. Because his hindu gurus were "sanyasis" living without family, sex, money etc, so he sought support in embodying his spirituality in his family and work life, hence came into contact with this sufi. So that's the story of my name on here "Nur" it means light, it was given to me by my dad's sufi shaykh. I also went into these sufi teachings in late teens and early 20s, but then went deep into hinduism for many years of sadhana. Then late 20s I returned to sufism and went deeper than just personal development called " 'ilm ul nafsiyya" or science of transforming ego to soul, and went a bit more into " 'ilm ul ghayb" or science of the unseen world. Aka using energies for protection, healing, attracting money etc. My wife's family's from the Middle East, and sufism's also widespread there. So that's my sufi/islam connection. Mixing traditions Yes, generally it's best to avoid mixing. As I grew up with hinduism and sufism, I've come to see them as quite close. Both use dhikr or japa (praying with prayer beads), get empowered by the teacher and the lineage, daily meditation, and then of course the whole spiritual journey to moksha (included in sufi 'ilm ul nafsiyya) as well as the more magical or practical side of tantra which corresponds more to the 'ilm ul ghayb. I believe in One True God, but my intellectual logical understanding of God comes through Martinus' thoughts, but my practical connection to God has come through my hindu and sufi practices. So for me at the end of the day, they complement each other. But yes, in general it would be best to zoom in on and master just one tradition, but my life has just unfolded like this, hence why I'm like that. Goddess worship Great pointers! Yes, hardline sufis would ofc not condone this at all. But the most secret traditions of Kabbalah as well as Sufism both teach about the feminine and masculine side of the Divine, and also includes reincarnation, sex magic and other interesting things. But it's obviously kept super secret in fear of being executed, as that is a very real concern if you live there. The Ka'aba is actually in the feminine in Arabic. There used to be Ka'abas all over the Arabian peninsula, embodying different energies. A white Ka'aba (in Yemen as far as I remember), the black Ka'aba in Mecca, there was also a green, red, blue and brown Ka'aba. It was the different energies naturally present in nature at those different spots. Arabian Magic Yes, al Buni and Shams al Ma'arif have been hugely influential. Interestingly a lot of it used sufism in the sense that there are names of God used, ayat and surahs (verse and chapters) from the Qur'an and so on. However ofc there is also mixed in some things from the contemporary religions that existed alongside Sufism/Islam, and the older religions predating Islam, calling on names, energies or the like from earlier times. I have not been taught these directly from a shaykh or sufi teacher, all I learnt was purely Qur'anic methods (my teacher might have know some other styles too, but from fear of being persecuted, I think he only teaches what could be defended as legitimate).
  20. Dear Dao Bums, Question for you guys Do you have any interesting experiences with Jason Read and his Jasper Lake Maoshan Daoist Magic? I have seen a few posts here on Daobums about his books on daoist magic, but none about the actual daoist magic training with him. My own few observations A fellow qigong brother here on the forum that I'm corresponding with notified me about Jasper Lake Maoshan daoist magic training. I checked out his webpages and read all that I could, and am now reading through his book "Practical Daoist Magic". Webpages: I found the webpages extremely interesting, and I definitely felt what he's sharing to be real, authentic and substantial. I tried meditating on a talisman he's posted to connect with the energy of "the fire star" or Mars, and within 5 minutes I felt heat pouring into my body and getting heated up. I was extremely suprised how fast and powerfully it worked. I took this as a sign that what's he's sharing is truly legit! Book so far: The book is the same story in the sense that it feels very legit and authentic. All the history and mythology he's sharing is perfectly in line with what I've been taught by Master Zhongxian Wu (who I've learnt from for more than 6 years), as is his explanation for yin/yang, 5 elements, 8 trigrams (bagua) stems, branches etc. of course with some slight variations in their personal interpretations. His beginning practices "to cultivate magical power" is also similar to what I've learnt from Master Wu, namely building the lower dan tien, purifying & strengthening the 5 organ system, "retriving" or calling back the spirits of your organs as well as daily mantras for purification (mind, mouth, body, surroundings, pacifying spirits, calling upon the golden light etc). The idea of jing/qi/shen as well as mantra, mudra, visualisation and posture is also similar. All in all I feel it to be very real. What I especially enjoy is that as a westerner he explains things very clearly so that it's easy to understand from a western viewpoint. He also divulges the "secrets" of how things really work and explain the whole process as well as the end result. This is something my chinese teachers never do, they simply encourage you to practice, shoot down your questions, and never explain linearly and in a straight-forward way what things are, how they work, what the process is like, what the result will be or how to measure your progress along the way. The only thing that really made me stop and wonder, was that at some point in the book he says that 30 minutes before and after practice you shouldn't eat or drink (pretty standard advice), however then immediately after he says drinking "only cool water" is allowed. This is a huge shocker! Everyone knows that Chinese never suggest cold water, it should be either hot or lukewarm. This was a big suprise for me, and made me wonder and question how everything could be feel so real and authentic, yet this one basic thing was completely "off" for how Chinese qigong/TCM/cultivation usually rolls. Actually it was such a great shock that it made me question the authenticity of everything. Even though the fire star talisman worked (which I felt to build his credibility), and the explanations feel legit too (which also builds credibility) the advice to drink cool water was so off that it made me wonder and question everything about his whole story of training in China & Malaysia etc. This is what made me write a post here on the forum, I wanted to speak to my dao brothers and sisters and hear your experiences (if any) with Jason Read and his Jasper Lake Maoshan Daoist Magic training. I look forward to hear from you!

  21. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Thanks for chiming in! Awesome to exchange with you again If we for simplicity's sake divide the world in 3: 1) the Absolute (pure, unmanifest potential, pre-existence), 2) realm of energy/essence, 3) material manifest world. All spiritual practice is to "return" to the Absolute. Allah, the Dao, God, Nirvana, Moksha, liberation, salvation. However for practical purposes, we go to the real of energy and use specific energies for specific purposes. If you're very powerful, you go straight to the Absolute, because from this field you can generate any energy imaginable, whereas in the realm of energy you can only connect to the few energies within your personal reach. So black magic is simply hurting yourself or others, or violating free will, whether generated from the Absolute or the realm of energy. All else is white magic, which is of benefit to yourself and society. So yes, love/attraction magic ON A SPECIFIC PERSON would be characterized as black magic, whereas GENERAL love/attraction magic is fine. Because you're trying to violate their free will to choose. Whereas general attractiveness, free will is still there, and "the natural flow" of the universe will use its intelligence to connect with the right people. If you want a new job, you can with no problem make mantras/magic for that, because then the universe will automatically direct you to what's correct for you. But if you do it FOR A SPECIFIC JOB it can be questionable, as you might be interfering with others free will. So everything goes, as long as it's not a specific, individual person, job or house/appartment, or something that hurts others. The very few "permissible" black magic is just like in war; e.g. I am a vegetarian and believe in non-violence, yet I was an officer in the army working with leadership, languages, training and culture. When I was deployed to Africa, there were jihadist/terrorist attacks on civilians here and there. I had to decide for myself "if I am suddenly present at an attack, should I let myself and others get shot and killed, or should I shoot and kill the terrorist?" In the end, what came to me was that you should always pick the lesser evil. E.g. on one hand I get killed, and potentially hundreds of defenseless civilians, or one terrorist gets killed, because I shoot him. In that case, as seen from the universe, it's better that 1 person dies than 100 people. So I made up my mind. Obviously the best would be to shoot the guy in the leg and "catch him" alive. Then through re-education about islam in jail or something, he could learn that killing innocents is wrong, and thereby have a second chance in life to walk a new path, instead of having to be killed, die, then get reborn, and face the same situation again and again, until he learns through direct, felt, karmic experience that killing is wrong. So in that case, which I know is very specific, it would be ok to kill or harm 1 specific person, if hundreds and hundreds of innocents are being hurt and/or killed. But generally it's best to let the universe punish people with karma, and forgive and move on. Aka don't hurt others with magic, is what I'm trying to say So "do all you want and need, but minimize hurt" could be a general rule, that's given by Amritananda (my sri vidya guru). "Choose the lesser evil", that's given by Martinus (my main guy for understanding the universe). "Never hurt yourself or others, help alleviate the suffering of others when you can" given by my Kundalini Guru Vethathiri. In between those 3 and my own personal example given above, that would be my general take on white vs black magic. And so for me ofc, things like meat, alcohol, killing animals or other things like that would be on my own personal "no-no" list for magic, whereas if one eats meat and drinks alcohol anyway, then that kind of magical ritual would be fine for them. It depends on our own current "level", we just need to be in harmony with where we're at

  22. My Experience With Black Magic

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Esoteric and Occult Discussion

    Update: Just messaged with a friend regarding black magic and evil spirits. I wrote a small bullet point list for him, of all that I've found to be causes of these disturbances, and all I've found to resolve them over the past 10 years. Thought I would share it here for everyone's benefit: Causes 1) Black Magic This is much less widespread than we would think, and most often when people blame black magic for their misery in the western world, it's not true. However! Black magic is HUGE in Africa, the Middle East and Asia as well. So if you have any family members there, or if you visit these places, it's good to be aware that this possibility is there. Also if you're originally from there, or if many of your social circle are from there, you can also be aware. 2) Karmic Debt to souls currently not incarnated or spiritual debt, Daoist ‘yin debt’ I came into contact with the daoist occult idea of yin debt, or karma owed to spirits from previous lifetimes. No matter the protection, these cannot be stopped until your debt is paid. It can be done through rituals. After I did 3 of these, it stopped. 3) Kshetra Palaka, Tu Di, local spirit kings In both Hinduism, Daoism and lots of occult systems, each local area is governed by a spirit king. If you do any kind of spiritual practice and work with spiritual energies, and this spirit king doesn’t like you, it can create problems. Eg if you live in a Christian nation, but worship or practice with different energies. There are again certain mantras, rituals and offerings used in Daoism and Hinduism to befriend the local spirit king. When this is done, no black magic or evil spirits can touch you in that particular local area. Just be aware whenever you go to a new area, his protection cannot follow, and you’ll have to befriend the new local spirit king. 4) Conceal your blessings, jealousy and evil eye Whenever something good happens to you, don’t let anyone know. If you trigger a feeling of lack in others, even your loved ones, involuntarily they will create a negative energy that can harm you. 5) Spirits following you home Restless spirits that don’t want to move on linger in areas of their former life addictions. Eg clubs, brothels, casinos, all the addictions of dancing, eating, gambling, sex etc. If you frequent these places, you can invite them in. 6) Destroying own protection Intake of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes will weaken your normal spiritual protection and allow them to attack you. Also any kind of sinful action like hate, anger, violence, illicit sex etc 7) Enmity with others If you are not a good person, others will naturally harbor negative thougts and feelings towards you. Thoughts and feelings are also energy. So depending on the intensity, as well as the overall power of that person's energy, this can also harm you. The solution is to work it out, forgive it each and solve the problem Resolutions 1) Sufism (the spiritual component of Islam, some say predating Islam, those say it was the original way of the prophets, the 3 wise men, ancient Egypt, Babylon and so on) 1.1 Firstly you purify your energy daily for 7 days (this is done using salawaat connecting to the prophet and the full bismillah) 1.2 then you purify your room daily with blessed water (this is done using ayatul kursi or verse of the throne) 1.3 then you make a spiritual circle of protection around your house (this is done using ayatul kursi and "4 qul" or last 4 verses of the Qur'an, all starting with "qul" which means "say"). 1.4 then you maintain all of these daily, and use dhikr to strengthen it (dhikr is reciting the names of Almighty God, al asma ul hosna, there are specific names for protection) 1.5 if purification, protection and increasing your spiritual power is not enough, you "strike back" with 2 verses (ayats) describing how Moses defeated the magicians of pharaoh, it's from surah (chapter) Ta-Ha, verse (ayat) 68-69 2) Hindu Sri Vidya In this system of Goddess worship you open your chakras one by one through rituals. There’s a God or Goddess in each chakra. Varahi in the third eye chakra was used in ancient times for spiritual warfare, she's the protector of sri vidya upasakas or worshippers. After I did a 41 day ritual to her (puja, tarpanam and havan, prayer ritual, water ritual and fire ritual, alongside daily mantra recitation) all stopped. 3) The proper rituals for Kshetra Palaka, Tudi, Local Spirit Kings as well as Yin Debt 4) Get initiation into a true spiritual lineage, this will naturally protect you Conclusion All of the above are the past 10 years of blood, sweat and tears, no practitioners could save me, only after tremendous strain and suffering did I discover the above facts.

  23. Jasper Lake Maoshan (Jason Read Daoist Magic)

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Daoist Discussion

    Hey @Master Logray Thanks for your interesting questions! Ofc this is a thread on Jason Read, but I'll answer about Wu's story shortly He was born and raised in a very primitive village, no electricity, no running water, no heat, no roads, no bicycles, cars, nothing. They lived as people did thousands of years ago. They had to go fetch water themselves, crack it open with pickaxes during icecold winter, warm themselves by the fire, traditional lifestyle. No showers or baths like we know, you shower "in a bucket" if you've ever been to villages in Africa, the Middle East or India you might know. Some places in Asia too. There's a bucket of water, then with a smaller bucket your pour it on yourself. That's a "shower". So ofc they also didn't have modern medicine, drugs etc. They lived using the old school ways, e.g. yi jing divination, daoist mantras, mudras, talismans, fetching local herbs on the nearby mountain etc. He was very weak and sickly as a child, but at around 4 years of age he learnt some basic qigong forms from the local village priest/shaman/qigong teacher. He got better health-wise, so he kept training. I think it was only in his teens or 20s he left his village for the first time to go to school, that was the first time he saw busses, cars, roads, bicycles etc, and also the first time he met "modern" people who didn't necessarily believe in the traditional, old school worldview of spirits, ghosts, qi, ancestors etc. which shocked him, as were he came from all believed in the old ways. Further all these "superstitious things" (or indegenous wisdom as we'd call it today) were destroyed as much as possible by the communists, so he had to learn all these things "on the down low". But throughout his life he travelled far and wide in China to further his studies and learnt all kinds of different practices. Obviously like you said, when he was in the national association, he had to filter everything "magical" away, and keep it strictly "modern, atheist, materialist, medicine worldview", yet he ofc maintained his own traditional practice personally, yet in secret. Now in the West he slowly started sharing more and more openly about these magical things, but obviously in line with what westerners and his students "can take" or accept based on their own conventional beliefs or tcm views.

  24. Jasper Lake Maoshan (Jason Read Daoist Magic)

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Daoist Discussion

    @Lala Nila thanks for sharing your 2 cents!

  25. Jasper Lake Maoshan (Jason Read Daoist Magic)

    Nuralshamal replied to Nuralshamal's topic in Daoist Discussion

    @Lala Nila By the way, what's your take on Jason's MaoShan? We've established he's more of a scholar/reader/translator than a powerful cultivator/practitioner. However, do you think he's even really truly initiated? And do you think he's even been given permission to initiate others? Aka is he even hooked up to a lineage field through a legit teacher or not, or are those all just stories to help make a name for himself?