Considering Private Neidan Subforum

[steve]

47 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

 

That may be hard to breathe the same air in one room.

 

Not if you’ve mastered fetal breathing!

😉

Edited 22 hours ago by steve

[DynamicEquilibrium]

1 hour ago, forestofclarity said:

I don't think we have the software for that, and even if we did, I don't think it would matter. It is fairly easy to take a screenshot and pull text. 

Indeed ! 

Screenshot and pull text to ghost write the new lyrics of the same broken record, so actually it doesn't matter 😁

 

 Got nothing, hair and hangover 🥂

[ChiDragon]

41 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Not if you’ve mastered fetal breathing!

😉

So far, I've mastered the vital breathing. You think that I can counteract the fatal one?

Edited 21 hours ago by ChiDragon

[steve]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

So far, I've mastered the vital breathing. You think that I can counteract the fatal one?

 

Temporarily

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, steve said:

 

Temporarily

 

Luckily, after all these years, the fatal breathing has not been caught up with me yet. Besides, I don't want to live that long anyway. That's all I did was just breathe.

Edited 18 hours ago by ChiDragon

[ChiDragon]

7 hours ago, cake1234566 said:

..... then the neidan subforum can be used for people who only want that specialized info and are fine with waiting for someone who can genuinely discuss the topic?

Who decide and determine who is genuine? Who wants to be the first one to be kicked out?
 

Edited 18 hours ago by ChiDragon

[idquest]

Just can't understand why hide neidan content from general public/unregistered users. It's not like TDB is flooded with posts on neidan anyway. Also, there already exists a Taoist Texts subforum and the activity there is not huge.

 

Making an elitist club out of neidan? Says something about TDB...

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, idquest said:

Just can't understand why hide neidan content from general public/unregistered users. It's not like TDB is flooded with posts on neidan anyway. Also, there already exists a Taoist Texts subforum and the activity there is not huge.

 

Making an elitist club out of neidan? Says something about TDB...

 

Nope, the idea was not an elitist club, anymore than a tennis club that wants its members to be tennis players rather than football players bent on preaching to them about the correct shape of the ball they should be playing with.  Or a football club that tries to stop tennis players from running around the field swinging their racquets at the goalkeeper. 

 

TBH that idea was born out of sheer frustration...  a pipe dream...  something along the lines of that tree house rule:  

 

 

  

Edited 14 hours ago by Taomeow

[Sanity Check]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

a tennis club that wants its members to be tennis players rather than football players bent on preaching to them about the correct shape of the ball they should be playing with.  Or a football club that tries to stop tennis players from running around the field swinging their racquets at the goalkeeper. 

 

 

 

In all honesty, you shouldn't do this.

 

Especially if you can't be bothered to get your basic facts straight and are operating from a foundation of intrinsic inaccuracy.

[S:C]

On 25.12.2025 at 5:16 PM, forestofclarity said:

based on well-recognized texts, established schools and lineages

You will still have the secrecy problem, as members will often not want to state where they belong to. Every teacher has a right to be left alone.

 

Something that could help, would be an obligatory entry for a poster, containing : stating what in their opinion is the subject and the goal of the practice (premise), then define the basic ingredients (framework, reference, contents), name the old chinese characters and their English translations thereof. 
Then who wishes may be able to ‘re-translate’ the meaning, e.g.according to XYZ 命 [= Ming, means 1. breathwork only in the context of CDE 2. grilling the fish that has a wanting to go upstream, in the context of old daoist fables] 

Might be long and wary, but so at least one has a chance at understanding each other (tower of babel problem) and words are not empty vessels or carry an unintended message downstream. Else someone might unintentionally pass something like ‘severe punishment’ in the wording of ‘unconditional love’ and tries to connect it to e.g. 靈. 
 

No way to guarantee a beneficial meaning, but at least for the reader it becomes more obvious, what in the minds eye of someone is going on, (e.g. it is ND according to CD, so to me it’s ChiDragoning, not Neidan in the thus-thus school, or the like, no offence…, CD!)

Thus like minded people could easier connect and also students with teachers. If both want to and see potential.

 

Edited 11 hours ago by S:C

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, S:C said:

No way to guarantee a beneficial meaning, but at least for the reader it becomes more obvious, what in the minds eye of someone is going on, (e.g. it is ND according to CD, so to me it’s ChiDragoning, not Neidan in the thus-thus school, or the like, no offence…, CD!)

 

Haha, no problem. Nothing new to me. I am used to that.
It seems doesn't matter what someone says with some thing to them. There is always a contradiction. No one knows who is right or not. It seems to me that the first thing that comes first is always right. Sadly, there is no room for update and correction. 

I don't know if I am lucky to hear members tell me "no", that was not it. But never present verbal contents to amuse me. Do you think members have some of the things they said to me I could swallow? I might do the same as the rest of us. Either they more than I do or vice versa. I wouldn't brag about it or be sarcastic about it with verbal insults. Peace.

Edited 9 hours ago by ChiDragon

[Antares]

9 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

There is always a contradiction.

Are you going to participate in the new subforum discussion?

[ChiDragon]

4 minutes ago, Antares said:

Are you going to participate in the new subforum discussion?

 

Of course not, I have said enough in the other thread already. Nothing would be new to me anymore.

[S:C]

27 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

Nothing new to me. I am used to that.

No you don’t. Not to me at least. 

Your methods doesn’t meet my standards.
 

If you (and others) would follow this method with discipline, contradictions and different opinions would become more obvious. But you don’t. You don’t even state your premises clearly and the definitions and sources you use are opaque at best.
 

Fish beware to not be grilled ! 
Peace. 🐠

Edited 8 hours ago by S:C

[ChiDragon]

Just now, S:C said:

No you don’t. Not to me at least. 

Your methods doesn’t meet my standards. 

 

Is that a surprise to me? I don't know what your standard is. I didn't have my pleasure hearing it from you. My friend?

[S:C]

2 hours ago, S:C said:

stating what in their opinion is the subject and the goal of the practice (premise), then define the basic ingredients (framework, reference, contents), name the old chinese characters and their English translations thereof. 

this is a method. 

it’s a bit similar to classic logic. 
 

usually one would cite their sources/lineage/teacher. you can avoid that, if you use precision in the method, that means explaining your words and use extremely concise language. the further trouble is that everyone involved will have to deal with a translation problem in at least three languages (Chinese, English, Native). So yea it’s probably pointless even with a disciplined method.
 

with you I don’t even recognize a pattern, let alone a method. this is why it is pointless for me to go on communicating with you.

 

(just think of the poor fish going upstream and being fried! 🐠🐟🐡 -> 🍣)

Edited 8 hours ago by S:C

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

1 hour ago, Antares said:

Are you going to participate in the new subforum discussion?

Please no

[Antares]

45 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Please no

Your vote will be counted but

 

2 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

There is always a contradiction.

 

[Apech]

A bit of googling revealed that it is quite common to reduce Neidan to a kind of biochemical health system.  How weird … is this the CPC approved strategy?

 

 

[Taomeow]

@Sanity Check  Didn't understand your cryptic statement  -- are you sure you meant it for me?  I am not an admin/mod who can do or not do it, and I've no clue which "basic facts" you're referring to that I "can't get straight."   ???

[liminal_luke]

I don´t have a neidan teacher or lineage but am happy to sit on the sidelines.  If such a forum facilitates useful communication among dedicated practitioners, surely that´s a good thing.  Importantly, I would still be able to read the forum posts. (At least I think so?) Such reading might prove very educational.  If I want to join the tennis team, I´ll have a better idea what tennis requires and how I might get lessons.  Nothing would be closed to me.

Edited 3 hours ago by liminal_luke

[Apech]

9 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

I don´t have a neidan teacher or lineage but am happy to sit on the sidelines.  If such a forum facilitates useful communication among dedicated practitioners, surely that´s a good thing.  Importantly, I would be still be able to read the forum posts.  Such reading might prove very educational.  If I want to join the tennis team, I´ll have a better idea what tennis requires and how I might get lessons.  Nothing would be closed to me.

Second set

Luke leads one set to love

New balls please

 

[Taomeow]

58 minutes ago, Apech said:

A bit of googling revealed that it is quite common to reduce Neidan to a kind of biochemical health system.  How weird … is this the CPC approved strategy?

 

 

 

The CPC is known to have insisted on the "out with the old, in with the new" approach most decisively for decades.  Traditional arts and sciences were condemned, taoist temples burned to the ground, practitioners publicly humiliated, sent to "reeducation camps" and so on.  The legacy lingers -- although later they took a somewhat different stance and the pendulum started moving toward "restoration."  They realized that all those things they used to condemn can be turned into tourist attractions and marketable trinkets.  So it's not unusual to encounter views in people influenced by this sort of education that glorify things traditional at the cost of the tradition itself, by reformulating it in "modern" quasi-scientific terms.  Instead of forbidding all things cultivation they try to give them Western style respectability.   This is a very simplified picture of course...  

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

The CPC is known to have insisted on the "out with the old, in with the new" approach most decisively for decades.  Traditional arts and sciences were condemned, taoist temples burned to the ground, practitioners publicly humiliated, sent to "reeducation camps" and so on.  The legacy lingers -- although later they took a somewhat different stance and the pendulum started moving toward "restoration."  They realized that all those things they used to condemn can be turned into tourist attractions and marketable trinkets.  So it's not unusual to encounter views in people influenced by this sort of education that glorify things traditional at the cost of the tradition itself, by reformulating it in "modern" quasi-scientific terms.  Instead of forbidding all things cultivation they try to give them Western style respectability.   This is a very simplified picture of course...  

 

Thank.  Does pure original Neidan even exist?

 

 

[ChiDragon]

15 minutes ago, Apech said:

Thank.  Does pure original Neidan even exist?

Ever since the original Neidan concept exited, why should it be gone? It is always there. The concept do not change, only the misinterpretation change it.