Views on Science/Scientists/Scientism (Split from Is the MCO Real?)

[liminal_luke]

28 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Don’t deny yourself, let your bitterness rip,   online it’s harmless. Is that ‘science believer’ your annoying brother again?

 

Not my brother, a friend.  And in reality he´s a sweet guy and I don´t wish him any harm.  Just someone who got caught up, as so many of us do, in a particular mind loop.

 

20 minutes ago, Apech said:

Science is nice,

and science can stop you,

From doing all the things in life you’d like to.

 

If there’s something you’d like to try,

If there’s something you’d like to try,

Ask me I won’t say no how could I?

 

 

For brother Apech

 

He´s a cool white cat,

who knows where it´s at.

He´s done lots of Egyptian study,

I´m lucky he´s my buddy.

 

Edited Thursday at 06:06 PM by liminal_luke

[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Taomeow said:

The thread this one got split from was about LIFE sciences.  And of course went as those topics always do:

 

1) When someone talks about the problems with LIFE sciences, the self-appointed defenders of science bring up TECHNOLOGY as proof of progress of SCIENCE. 

Technology, indeed, is booming and blooming, but this does not inform one of the state of affairs with life sciences. 

You want to know the state of affairs with their progress that made any positive difference in the lives of live humans?     

The last time life sciences made progress was in the 19th century when they stopped bashing the concept of hygiene and ridiculing and ostracizing surgeons who wanted to wash their hands before performing surgeries.  And no longer put them in lunatic asylums for this crazy idea that infant and new mothers' mortality may have something to do with the fact that they dissect corpses for scientific purposes and then move on to delivering babies without washing their hands.

 

 2) There's countless irresponsible endeavors in current LIFE sciences which the people currently called scientists do JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, and most of them are extremely destructive to the health and well-being of actual live human beings and all creatures great and small.  The bulk of tangible progress is in weaponized applications.  Purportedly against the potential enemy.  In reality, innocent bystanders who are affected are pretty much everybody on the planet.  

 

3) This extinction-level status quo is entrenched so firmly and the indoctrination runs so deep, and is so all-encompassing, that talking not only with its perpetrators but also with its victims is usually an exercise in futility.      

 

 

I guess many here would not count vaccines as an improvement  ....   but I would cite 'non invasive  diagnosis  '  (like ultrasound )   and insulin  for diabetics .   Fortunately for me though , I am neither diabetic nor pregnant . 

[Taomeow]

2 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Not my brother, a friend.  And in reality he´s a sweet guy and I don´t wish him any harm.  Just someone who got caught up, as so many of us do, in a particular mind loop.

 

 

For brother Apech

 

He´s a cool white cat,

who knows where it´s at.

He´s done lots of Egyptian study,

I´m lucky he´s my buddy.

 

 

He's done a lot of Egyptian study

yet never talks of Bastet, buddy.

What kind of cool white cat

is that?      

[Taomeow]

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

I guess many here would not count vaccines as an improvement  ....   but I would cite 'non invasive  diagnosis  '  (like ultrasound )   and insulin  for diabetics .   Fortunately for me though , I am neither diabetic nor pregnant . 

 

I am not aware of diagnostics becoming less rather than more invasive...  depends on what you're comparing them to and what you know about the ones perceived as non-invasive that are in reality anything but.

 

E.g., ultrasound in  pregnancy is mighty controversial (and if you haven't heard about it, there's a reason for that...  we hear what the establishment wants us to hear, everything else gets swept under the rug...  it's just that some of us have stumbled over that rug and developed a habit of lifting it to see what lies beneath before venturing a step.)  A fetus is extremely sensitive.  Some of the concerns are neurological effects (exposure could affect fetal brain development or neuronal migration, based on animal studies), thermal effects (risk of local tissue heating, particularly near bone), cavitation effects (microscopic gas bubbles forming and collapsing in tissues, damaging molecules and cells), intrauterine growth restriction (observational studies noted a statistical correlation), and subtle long-term effects (concerns regarding increased risks for conditions like autism, childhood cancers, speech delays, etc.).  It's just one example, but there are many "non-invasive" diagnostic procedures that are only non-invasive because the invasion is not immediately obvious.  

 

As for insulin -- that was discovered over a hundred years ago...  Diabetes, in most cases, could be prevented or cured with better lifestyle and (especially) dietary choices.  But the money isn't in that.  Hence the current approach -- to pretty much everything.   

[liminal_luke]

49 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

He's done a lot of Egyptian study

yet never talks of Bastet, buddy.

What kind of cool white cat

is that?      

 

Cool cats rarely follow rules,

or get good grades in public schools.

They cultivate an air of mystery,

not for them the one two three.

So Apech´s drinking wine in Portugal,

and not concerned with us at all.

Let alone the great cat Bastet,

who surely deserves her own sonnet.

 

meow

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:54 PM by liminal_luke

[Apech]

1 hour ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Cool cats rarely follow rules,

or get good grades in public schools.

They cultivate an air of mystery,

not for them the one two three.

So Apech´s drinking wine in Portugal,

and not concerned with us at all.

Let alone the great cat Bastet,

who surely deserves her own sonnet.

 

meow

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bravo.

[Mark Foote]

50 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

 

Cool cats rarely follow rules,

or get good grades in public schools.

They cultivate an air of mystery,

not for them the one two three.

So Apech´s drinking wine in Portugal,

and not concerned with us at all.

Let alone the great cat Bastet,

who surely deserves her own sonnet.

 

meow

 

A Bastet case, I have become

reading sonnets, having fun

The port is good, so they declare

in Portugal, some cat is there

who sweeps a tail across the rug

and makes a toy of some poor bug

 

photo Jon Bodsworth

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Apech]

What’s this thread about, again?

 

lol

 

(already multiple splits from original)

[Taomeow]

8 minutes ago, Apech said:

What’s this thread about, again?

 

lol

 

(already multiple splits from original)

 

[kakapo]

Ultimately you can get results you can objectively document and record, or you can't.  

 

There are lots of systems which produce subjective results. 

 

There are few which provide objective results. 

 

[Sanity Check]

13 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

E.g., ultrasound in  pregnancy is mighty controversial (and if you haven't heard about it, there's a reason for that...  we hear what the establishment wants us to hear, everything else gets swept under the rug...  it's just that some of us have stumbled over that rug and developed a habit of lifting it to see what lies beneath before venturing a step.)  A fetus is extremely sensitive.  Some of the concerns are neurological effects (exposure could affect fetal brain development or neuronal migration, based on animal studies), thermal effects (risk of local tissue heating, particularly near bone)

 

 

 

.Ultrasound is cool.

 

 

[Cobie]

 

22 hours ago, Mark Foote said:

A Bastet case, …

 a Basket case 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Cobie

[Cobie]

Look, now he’s dyed his hair 

(probably so Nungali can’t find him) but the grumpy look gives him away.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Cobie

[Apech]

4 minutes ago, Cobie said:

Look, now he’s died his hair 

(probably so Nungali can’t find him) but the grumpy look gives him away.

 

 

 

I had a cat that looked just like that - he died a couple of weeks ago.

 

 

[Cobie]

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Cobie

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

 Thanks I miss him.  We had six cats but only one left

[Cobie]

I’m so sorry. Sending you love. 

 

 

[ChiDragon]

On 10/22/2025 at 10:54 AM, Taomeow said:

  We are trained to believe statements we are told originate from "Science."  "Trust the Science" absolutely equals "In God We Trust"

Some people are trained to believe the statements originated from "Science." Perhaps some might be believing it blindly like believing in God. Some are believing in Science with reasoning to support it. Some believed it was because it was proven by scientific method proofs. In the other hand, believing in God is a spiritual belief. It requires no proofs but faith. Finally, believing in the TCM or any martial arts system is like believing and having faith in God. Believing them require no proofs as long one thinks it works. Hence, one can explain it any way that one wants to and make belief for those who wish to believe it. These beliefs may spread out faster than the speed of sound. However, people with different education level will believe them in a different way for granted. 

Something works may be good enough for the sake of one's satisfaction. Some may be happy to believe what they had been told. Some might want to believe it with some proofs. Some might want to believe it by experiencing with one's own conclusion. At last, some might want  to experience it and research to get some facts convincing oneself to believe it. IMO There should be no doubt believing in Science with reasoning proofs by the scientific method. Believing is wise to believe in something by logical reasoning without any doubt or preconceived ideas. We should always consider what we are reading or told with an open mind.