Nei Gong systems

[TomBrad]

I'm curious - can different Nei Gong systems be trained in concurrently?  e.g. can Damo Mitchell's system be studied at the same time as Wang Liping's?

[Jenn]

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2 hours ago, TomBrad said:

I'm curious - can different Nei Gong systems be trained in concurrently?  e.g. can Damo Mitchell's system be studied at the same time as Wang Liping's?

It depends on the systems. Some can be practiced with others, some can’t. 

[Forestgreen]

I'm curious, who has the time to delve deeply into two systems? 

[TomBrad]

1 hour ago, Forestgreen said:

I'm curious, who has the time to delve deeply into two systems? 

And that's another thing I'm also curious about.  I'm additionally curious about why you're so curious?

Edited Wednesday at 08:11 PM by TomBrad

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1 hour ago, Forestgreen said:

I'm curious, who has the time to delve deeply into two systems? 

 

47 minutes ago, TomBrad said:

And that's another thing I'm also curious about.  I'm additionally curious about why you're so curious?

Check out this video he does three systems! I haven’t watched yet but I do one of the same neigong systems that he does.

 

 

[Antares]

12 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Check out this video he does three systems! 

Sorry, he is 56 but looks older

[TomBrad]

Thank you, I'll have a look at it.

[Antares]

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[ChiDragon]

6 hours ago, TomBrad said:

I'm curious - can different Nei Gong systems be trained in concurrently? 

That is definitely a no no.

[Forestgreen]

9 hours ago, TomBrad said:

And that's another thing I'm also curious about.  I'm additionally curious about why you're so curious?

I practice one system, and I d not have time to practice that to perfection. Doing two or three, I would either have to skip actually absorbing into the methods I know quite well, or skip work. 

[steve]

19 hours ago, TomBrad said:

I'm curious - can different Nei Gong systems be trained in concurrently?  e.g. can Damo Mitchell's system be studied at the same time as Wang Liping's?

 

I'm also curious, do you practice a neigong system currently or in the past?

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6 hours ago, Forestgreen said:

I practice one system, and I d not have time to practice that to perfection. Doing two or three, I would either have to skip actually absorbing into the methods I know quite well, or skip work. 

What system do you practice?

 

I do Authentic Neigong by Rudi, and also do Flying Phoenix Qigong by Sifu Terry Dunn and some Tan Tao Pai qigong. Outside of this I don’t really have any time for more neigong practices.

 

Soon I will be starting wing chun and the instructor also teaches some of Damo Mitchell’s neigong. I’m gonna try them out of curiosity to see how it compares with what I’m already doing, but probably won’t make it a part of regular practice outside these classes.

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[SodaChanh]

20 hours ago, TomBrad said:

I'm curious - can different Nei Gong systems be trained in concurrently?  e.g. can Damo Mitchell's system be studied at the same time as Wang Liping's?

 

I would do only one of these systems, Wang Liping system contains the Three Spaces practice which would dissolve boundaries of body into space. 

 

See Nathan Brine book vol 3. 

 

I doubt Damo Mitchell has reached that stage. 

[forestofclarity]

If I had to guess, if you asked either Damo or Nathan Brine about it, they would advise choosing one or the other. But the actual answer would be to ask the teacher IMO. 

[Master Logray]

This question is quite unanswerable.   Whether 2 systems are compatible can only be answered by the teachers of the 2 systems.  But seldom does a teacher happen to know another system in depth.   In the old days when the very original system has been taught, undiluted and unadulterated for centuries.   Then another teacher may have sufficient knowledge on that system.  But these days many system are recent inventions, or significantly altered, then outsiders would have no idea on what is going on.  

[ChiDragon]

7 hours ago, forestofclarity said:

If I had to guess, if you asked either Damo or Nathan Brine about it, they would advise choosing one or the other. But the actual answer would be to ask the teacher IMO. 

In the past and present, normally, the teacher or master does not want their students to learn other systems. Period.

 

PS If you want to learn more than one system at one time, then, you are not serious about learning any system at all.

Edited Thursday at 09:03 PM by ChiDragon

[forestofclarity]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

In the past and present, normally, the teacher or master does not want their students to learn other systems. Period.

 

PS If you want to learn more than one system at one time, then, you are not serious about learning any system at all.

 

Sure, like this guy:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Huai-Chin

 

Definitely not serious! 

 

Or this person:

 

LIN ZHAOEN

 

Or this book: 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_the_Golden_Flower

 

[ChiDragon]

16 minutes ago, forestofclarity said:

Sure, like this guy:

Haha, scholars are exceptional.
Nan_Huai-Chin I have one of his books on Yijing(易經). I had gotten some misguided information from him.

Edited Thursday at 10:31 PM by ChiDragon

[Forestgreen]

8 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

 

PS If you want to learn more than one system at one time, then, you are not serious about learning any system at all.

I find it easier to level this down to a personal level: I cannot learn two or more systems at one time, because inevitably I end up doing similar things parallel. Focusing on one system, I can go deeper. 

 

Are there exceptional people that can do more? Absolutely.

 

Is there a risk for less-than-exceptional people that they collect systems without full benefit? Well, I could list systems I have tested but quit practicing. I got some out of it though, different teachers from different methods have different ways of explaining things, and that made me understand my main practice better.

[Gerard]

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[Antares]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

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But you are right. Better to start by determining how comprehensive the system you are going to practice is and what the teacher's personality is like, as well as what they have achieved themselves. Unfortunately, most of the systems currently available in the market of so-called 'spiritual development' essentially represent a commercial product for sale, which serves as a means of enrichment. Some systems are quite effective but lack all the methods necessary to be complete. Mainly, this refers to Yangshengong, which is also not bad, but does not provide the results that were originally intended by the Daoist practice systems. In such cases, there is simply no point in mixing incomplete systems, and some may even be incompatible.

[Master Logray]

32 minutes ago, Antares said:

But you are right. Better to start by determining how comprehensive the system you are going to practice is and what the teacher's personality is like, as well as what they have achieved themselves. Unfortunately, most of the systems currently available in the market of so-called 'spiritual development' essentially represent a commercial product for sale, which serves as a means of enrichment. Some systems are quite effective but lack all the methods necessary to be complete. Mainly, this refers to Yangshengong, which is also not bad, but does not provide the results that were originally intended by the Daoist practice systems. In such cases, there is simply no point in mixing incomplete systems, and some may even be incompatible.

 

Indeed, it is very difficult to find a right system the first time you can follow for your life.   Most of the people end up having incomplete system or courses due to many reasons.    

[forestofclarity]

 

This is one of the reasons some schools encourage learning from multiple teachers once one has a solid grounding and is familiar with the key points. 

 

8 hours ago, Forestgreen said:

I got some out of it though, different teachers from different methods have different ways of explaining things, and that made me understand my main practice better.

 

I think the general call for systematic purity is ironic given that Daoism and Tantric Buddhism are so obviously syncretic systems. Of course, one does not want to be a spiritual dilettante either and I assume that, given limited time and resources, most people will settle into their home system. But even then, one can continue to collect endless teachings. And of course, different means may conflict with one another creating. 

 

I've been listening to some videos about the wordless book of heaven--- which is essentially the teachings expressed from heaven to any given person.  It is wordless because it cannot be fully captured--- the Dao that can be Dao'ed is not the true Dao and all.