Types of immortals

[Chang dao ling]

Please explain difference between human, earth, spirit,and golden immortals. I think jade emperor is higher than golden immortal. Please explain which type of immortal jade emperor

[MetaDao]

Ghost, Human, Earth, Spiritual, Heavenly

 

Ghost immortals are forever in the ghost realm and cannot travel to the higher realms or incarnate as humans.

 

Human immortals have fully replenished the Yuan Jing. The oil in the lamp. They live in accordance with the laws of nature. So, continuing practice, they do not die of old age. However, it is easy for them to regress from this level, as it is not permanent.

 

Earth Immortal. This is the stage of the Dan, the elixir, Yang Shen. Cannot die of old age. Body is in the realm of Earth but mind is in the realm of Dao. Master level. All siddhi are attained.

 

Spiritual Immortal - This is the level of the Yang body. Golden embryo is actualized and born out the central channel. Yuan Shen is contained within this indestructible energy body known as the Yang body. Mind is eliminated. Free will retained. Divine sort of conscious that carries out tasks according to heaven’s mandate. Yang body can replicate over time. Basically omnipotent. Understanding divine law and YiJing is the key to further progression here.

 

Heavenly immortal - All Yang bodies return to dissolve into the light body. Not comprehensible or worth speaking about in words. These heavenly immortals birth their own universes and govern them. For example, this entire universe we reside within was created by a heavenly immortal. Jade emperor.

 

I will also add pseudo-immortals to the list. Some magickal traditions teach soul transfer. These practitioners transfer their soul to a new body before death, thus escaping death and giving themselves more time to attain true immortality. Still stuck in samsara and are actively accruing karma. Any sort of technological immortality we achieve in the future would also fall into the pseudo immortal category. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by MetaDao

[Chang dao ling]

11 hours ago, MetaDao said:

Ghost, Human, Earth, Spiritual, Heavenly

 

Ghost immortals are forever in the ghost realm and cannot travel to the higher realms or incarnate as humans.

 

Human immortals have fully replenished the Yuan Jing. The oil in the lamp. They live in accordance with the laws of nature. So, continuing practice, they do not die of old age. However, it is easy for them to regress from this level, as it is not permanent.

 

Earth Immortal. This is the stage of the Dan, the elixir, Yang Shen. Cannot die of old age. Body is in the realm of Earth but mind is in the realm of Dao. Master level. All siddhi are attained.

 

Spiritual Immortal - This is the level of the Yang body. Golden embryo is actualized and born out the central channel. Yuan Shen is contained within this indestructible energy body known as the Yang body. Mind is eliminated. Free will retained. Divine sort of conscious that carries out tasks according to heaven’s mandate. Yang body can replicate over time. Basically omnipotent. Understanding divine law and YiJing is the key to further progression here.

 

Heavenly immortal - All Yang bodies return to dissolve into the light body. Not comprehensible or worth speaking about in words. These heavenly immortals birth their own universes and govern them. For example, this entire universe we reside within was created by a heavenly immortal. Jade emperor.

 

I will also add pseudo-immortals to the list. Some magickal traditions teach soul transfer. These practitioners transfer their soul to a new body before death, thus escaping death and giving themselves more time to attain true immortality. Still stuck in samsara and are actively accruing karma. Any sort of technological immortality we achieve in the future would also fall into the pseudo immortal category. 

Thanks for answering. So jade emperor is equal to Buddha?

[Chang dao ling]

12 hours ago, MetaDao said:

Ghost, Human, Earth, Spiritual, Heavenly

 

Ghost immortals are forever in the ghost realm and cannot travel to the higher realms or incarnate as humans.

 

Human immortals have fully replenished the Yuan Jing. The oil in the lamp. They live in accordance with the laws of nature. So, continuing practice, they do not die of old age. However, it is easy for them to regress from this level, as it is not permanent.

 

Earth Immortal. This is the stage of the Dan, the elixir, Yang Shen. Cannot die of old age. Body is in the realm of Earth but mind is in the realm of Dao. Master level. All siddhi are attained.

 

Spiritual Immortal - This is the level of the Yang body. Golden embryo is actualized and born out the central channel. Yuan Shen is contained within this indestructible energy body known as the Yang body. Mind is eliminated. Free will retained. Divine sort of conscious that carries out tasks according to heaven’s mandate. Yang body can replicate over time. Basically omnipotent. Understanding divine law and YiJing is the key to further progression here.

 

Heavenly immortal - All Yang bodies return to dissolve into the light body. Not comprehensible or worth speaking about in words. These heavenly immortals birth their own universes and govern them. For example, this entire universe we reside within was created by a heavenly immortal. Jade emperor.

 

I will also add pseudo-immortals to the list. Some magickal traditions teach soul transfer. These practitioners transfer their soul to a new body before death, thus escaping death and giving themselves more time to attain true immortality. Still stuck in samsara and are actively accruing karma. Any sort of technological immortality we achieve in the future would also fall into the pseudo immortal category. 

So human immortals achive eternal youth?

[ChiDragon]

40 minutes ago, Chang dao ling said:

Thanks for answering. So jade emperor is equal to Buddha?

No, Jade Emperor is not equal to Buddha. Jade Emperor is the highest ruler in Heaven, the king of Heaven.

[Chang dao ling]

12 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:

No, Jade Emperor is not equal to Buddha. Jade Emperor is the highest ruler in Heaven, the king of Heaven.

So jade emperor is the highest level heavenly immortal?

[ChiDragon]

2 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

So jade emperor is the highest level heavenly immortal?

Yes, if you would like to put it that way.

[Chang dao ling]

1 hour ago, ChiDragon said:

Yes, if you would like to put it that way.

SO the 8 Immortals are spirit immortals or low level heavenly immortals?

 

[ChiDragon]

8 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

SO the 8 Immortals are spirit immortals or low level heavenly immortals?

 

The 8 immortals, once, they were humans. They cultivated themselves to become immortals. So, they are spirit immortals.

Edited December 25, 2022 by ChiDragon

[Chang dao ling]

10 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

The 8 immortals, once, they were humans. They cultivated themselves to become immortals. So, they are spirit immortals.

Can you please tell the names of some books related to 8 Immortals and jade emperor

[old3bob]

no individual woven being or soul lasts longer than the cosmic cycle, so take the term immortal (of any kind) with a grain of salt. 

(the eternal Tao is not a separate, particular or individual soul of some kind) 

Edited December 26, 2022 by old3bob

[Master Logray]

5 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Can you please tell the names of some books related to 8 Immortals and jade emperor

 

There are 2 different things.  MetaDao's list of type of immortals is based on a Neidan perspective.   They are levels of beings that human can possibly be transformed into. 

 

8 Immortals/Jade emperor and many others belong to Chinese religion/culture/folklore/legends/tales.  There are plenty of books, even English ones, on Chinese mythology.   Many of these beings, especially the powerful ones, are born or come from nowhere. 

[ChiDragon]

15 hours ago, Chang dao ling said:

Can you please tell the names of some books related to 8 Immortals and jade emperor

Why do you want to waste money on this kind of books, You can read all about them by doing a Google search online. All the info are available online,

[awaken]

Don't take the content of the novel seriously

[Chang dao ling]

8 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

Why do you want to waste money on this kind of books, You can read all about them by doing a Google search online. All the info are available online,

Thanks

[Master Logray]

On 12/24/2022 at 1:38 PM, Chang dao ling said:

Please explain difference between human, earth, spirit,and golden immortals. I think jade emperor is higher than golden immortal. Please explain which type of immortal jade emperor

 

Jade emperor is only a tier 2, 1st one in the 2nd row.

 

There should be another image but cannot upload due to error -200 or -400.  Anyone knows what happened?

 

[awaken]

The arrangement of gods in each temple is different
Those who are worshiped as gods are not necessarily immortal real people
Most of them are just religious idols worshiped by many gods

 

If you are a person who spends money to build temples, you can worship whoever you want
There is no certainty who is higher and who is lower

Edited December 27, 2022 by awaken

[Chang dao ling]

3 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

Jade emperor is only a tier 2, 1st one in the 2nd row.

 

There should be another image but cannot upload due to error -200 or -400.  Anyone knows what happened?

 

Thanks for answering

[idquest]

The real question is this:

What is a danger of becoming a ghost immortal from doing daoist practice incorrectly?

 

In my understanding the danger is quite high, although I haven't come across meaningful discussions about this.

[Taoist Texts]

53 minutes ago, idquest said:

In my understanding the danger is quite high,

Compared to what 

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, idquest said:

The real question is this:

What is a danger of becoming a ghost immortal from doing daoist practice incorrectly?

 

In my understanding the danger is quite high, although I haven't come across meaningful discussions about this.

FYI You do not have to cultivate to be a ghost.  A ghost is not considered to be an immortal. One becomes a ghost is when death occurred not by natural cause. For example, one was murdered. A person does not have peace of mind before death, then, the person will become a ghost until the mystery of death was resolved.

[idquest]

4 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

FYI You do not have to cultivate to be a ghost.  A ghost is not considered to be an immortal. One becomes a ghost is when death occurred not by natural cause. For example, one was murdered. A person does not have peace of mind before death, then, the person will become a ghost until the mystery of death was resolved.

 

That was exactly my point. Some people become ghosts by way of unfortunate events, and some work hard to become ghosts.

[ChiDragon]

1 hour ago, idquest said:

some work hard to become ghosts.

I don't think anyone wants to work hard to become a ghost. It would be very unfortunate to be a ghost. A ghost was considered to be a lose soul without a body to return to. It was because of early death not by natural cause.

Edited December 28, 2022 by ChiDragon

[Chang dao ling]

10 hours ago, idquest said:

The real question is this:

What is a danger of becoming a ghost immortal from doing daoist practice incorrectly?

 

In my understanding the danger is quite high, although I haven't come across meaningful discussions about this.

I think ghost immortal is not a regular ghost. But a type of a lower spirit way High than a normal ghost. Please see this website fiveImmortals.com

[Master Logray]

4 hours ago, ChiDragon said:

I don't think anyone wants to work hard to become a ghost. It would be very unfortunate to be a ghost. A ghost was considered to be a lose soul without a body to return to. It was because of early death not by natural cause.

 

If you think carefully, there are so many people working hard to become a ghost, suicide, indulgence in alcohol, drugs, cigarette, bad food, dangerous games, illegal activities, over-working....

 

44 minutes ago, Chang dao ling said:

I think ghost immortal is not a regular ghost. But a type of a lower spirit way High than a normal ghost. Please see this website fiveImmortals.com

 

Ghost immortal's definition is like a consolation prize for those cannot reach a heavenly immortal status.   But think deeper, those human and earthly immortals, despite having very long life, eventually die.  So they become ghost immortal, unless they reincarnate or take over another body.  Since heavenly immortal would be extremely rare, it is logical to deduct almost all immortals are ghost immortals.