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9 hours ago, virtue said:

@Vajra Fist You are now being very rude and smearing Eric Isen for little reason other than his answers not conforming to your expectations. I would expect more courtesy and thoughtful criticism if it came to seriously scrutinizing someone's professional capability and good will.

 

I am not a fan nor a regular client of Eric, but I have always found him acting in good faith and treating me cordially, and his results are something that I could always confirm with the help of other people or other psychic sources. Someone else's experience might be different, but this is mine.

 

 

I dont know or use the guy at all but reading VFs comments there , I really cant see any rudeness or smearing .    I see VF ibought up a point of logic about what you said about Eric in the form of a question to you ;  " If Eric isn't taking into account your own karmic issues when assessing whether a qigong system is suited to you or not, then really what else is he considering? " 

 

And then VF  shared a personal experience  with another point of logic and offered to back up what he said  with specifics ; : "And really the amount of times he's told me that a style does x right now and xyz in a few years, means that he's not just testing for the moment, but over the long term. I'm happy to share specific examples if you dont believe me.  "

 

I really cant see  rudeness or a smear there  .

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On 30-8-2020 at 12:17 AM, Nungali said:

Isnt going straight into exorcism a little  extreme ?

 

So far we have a dark energy that seems unknown and might be 'an entity' .

 

I would urge  someone with these issues to understand their own psyche FIRST , which is why I posted the material I did .

 

But whatever , its your psyche , to do with as you will.

 


well this topic is taking off..
 

So far whats being presented right now, is that there is an element attached to me that came from the outside,  assuming the readings are correct

 

how would diving into my own psyche directly Resolve that?

 

You seem to be coming from the

viewpoint of entities being parts of yourself. (do i understand that right?)

whereas im talking about detectable external things, seperate from the person

 

12 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

If you become convinced or concerned you have an entity attachment you can bring it to yourself. So even if you didn't have it initially you invite it as a result of your thinking. A healthy body and mind is the best defense against entities, if you don't have one already. 
 

Personally I'm not convinced he does, based on how he has interacted with us here. 

 

 

Honestly i find this a kind of over generalisation that to an extent denies reality. 

is that really always the case? With every entity in every situation? 

 

obviously being of sound mind healthy n feeling great will Have you far better then say, being being deeply depressed, broken  in spirit and physicly depleted where your natural defences will be very impaired.

 

But in my culture they have lots of practices where they send things to eachother.   And your state of mind has little to do with it being there or not. 


you wont automaticly be a bumbling Drewling person unable to form coherent sentences, that would be an example of a real dire situation. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

 

I would recommend a modified Chod practice from the vajrayana tradition for the OP for facing his fears over entities. Lama Tsultrim Allione has an excellent modern practice in her book and audio meditation 'Feeding Your Demons'. 


This i also dont   understand.   I looked it up but This is a process that uses the word  “ demons” only in title, but is about working with internal parts. Its a psychological process basicly, or a mental-emotional process  (however you want to call it.)

Feelings of jaelousy,  tensions , hurt etc tuning in to it so you can engage with it and resolve it.

its a form of parts therapy

or working with imprints

and basicly bringing the missing but needed emotional state or other resource,   Fullfilling the need so it dissolves and reintegrates

 

But what im talking about is a detectable , external element seperate from my being. An external entity

 

In the case that thats really going on actively trying to take that further into my system would be about  the Very worst thing i could do.

 

i think thats pretty irresponcible advice,

I mean in the case of doubt, perhaps  more action would need to be taken to get more clarity 

 

but just saying go do this process and integrate it, welcome it in doesnt strike me as a very good idea


 

 

11 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Like I said above: this can be subjective. A person who was obsessed with positive thinking and the Law of Attraction ended up having several entities, which were seen by people of different lineages and systems.

 

Entities are not a product of the mind, thought patterns are probably closer to what you're describing, and these can be implanted by others, even if you've never interacted with them directly or personally, which I have seen in magical attacks before. 

 

I wouldn't know if the OP has a entity, because by the metric I use, if his palm lines align normally, I wouldn't think too much about it myself based on the Akashic framework. 

 


im with earl grey on this,  Regardless of wether in my case it ends up being true or false.     This idea of “im just being positive and it isnt happening im just gonna focus on im healthy, strong and everything is great”  - thats just a recipe for denial of reality in my opinion.

 

 

 

10 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

You're probably right here. I'm thinking more about when parts of the person's psyche are viewed as foreign entities, a problem that increases the more weight you give it in a form of a vicious spiral. 

 

I do believe that possession by actual external entities does indeed exist. And yes the new age community as you rightly pointed out is an absolute dogs dinner in this regard. I was watching a podcast the other day from Damo Mitchell though where he said this type of external possession by demons is extremely rare. As I understand it, it normally only occurs when people are careless with astral projection or else focus exclusively on third eye practices. If you have direct experience with these types of entities I defer to your better judgement. 

 

 

 But why are you talking about that though?  Do you think those are one and the same? 
 

Just to be clear, Im not (and i dont think anybody) is talking about posession

as in the movie the exorcist.

5 hours ago, silent thunder said:

One question regarding your interview with Eric.

 

Did you ask him to look for an entity?

Or did you allow him to scan you with no promptings of what to look for?


Fair question.    I inquired via e-mail if there were to be an entity attached to me if hes able to detect and identify it.  I also stated somebody told me this may be the case but i have no idea wether its true.


and he e-mailed me back his findings.  

so i definatly pre mentioned  the word entity,  what i didnt do though was mention anything about location

 

He mailed back that he found a dark energy showing showing up as an entity attached to my throat chakra and extending outward affecting the body.

 

the other person didnt specificly mention a point but  he pointed around the height of the base of the skull

 


The chance always  exists that eric perhaos did Get it wrong. Nothing is fullproof

but i think there might be something to it.  With 2 people seeing it around the same

ive contacted terry dunn, to see what he recommends, 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

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3 hours ago, Nungali said:

I really cant see  rudeness or a smear there  .

 

It seems you aren't looking at the right parts what he wrote.

 

13 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

Ad hominem much?

 

When someone is accusing me with an unexplained and vague ad hominem and then carrying on as if nothing happened, even though I clearly brought up the allegation as a separate issue, is this not rude?

 

 

13 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

Also, if Eric's reading is always for the current moment, then the "dark energy" he apparently saw in OP might have merely been a reflection of his paranoia over entities rather than an entity per se.

 

Insinuating anyone as paranoid is not a compliment in any context: paranoia is a morbid mental health condition. Especially considering the context is a diagnostic professional's assessment and critical evaluation skills where the entire career reputation is established upon not claiming costly and difficult to deal with false positives, I would say that it's a particularly damning charge.

 

If you went next to a physician's office and publicly held a placard saying "He might too paranoid to diagnose your serious issues right, he might be making things up" in any primarily English speaking country, then you would end up with a civil litigation very fast if not hit with public prosecution first. Why? It's freaking rude and clearly recognizable as smear on another person's character.

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3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

I dont know or use the guy at all but reading VFs comments there , I really cant see any rudeness or smearing .    I see VF ibought up a point of logic about what you said about Eric in the form of a question to you ;  " If Eric isn't taking into account your own karmic issues when assessing whether a qigong system is suited to you or not, then really what else is he considering? " 

 

I wouldn't come down quite as hard on VF as virtue, and I think VF's line of inquiry is legitimate, BUT this last bit "then really what else is he considering" could be construed as an implication of wrongdoing, that he isn't really considering what he ought to to be saying what he says, that the things he does consider are not the right things or are illegitimate somehow.  This is quite unfair to someone with Eric's level of talent and experience - no one should expect him to be omniscient. 

 

I'll also say that I once became very upset when a talented clairvoyant I worked with seemed to be missing important details when I had known them to be so accurate that I forgot they weren't infallible.

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38 minutes ago, virtue said:

 

If you went next to a physician's office and publicly held a placard saying "He might too paranoid to diagnose your serious issues right, he might be making things up" in any primarily English speaking country, then you would end up with a civil litigation very fast if not hit with public prosecution first. Why? It's freaking rude and clearly recognizable as smear on another person's character.


I took the post in question to be referring to the OP’s concern (paranoia) over entities potentially coloring and informing what Eric saw/sensed/what not, and not about Eric himself being “paranoid.”

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For what it´s worth...

 

I got a consultation with Eric Isen for a health issue.  He seemed knowledgable, helpful, and a nice person.  But the next day I got lab results back from a regular MD that directly contradicted Eric´s assessment.  Does this prove anything?  Perhaps not.  But it left me with the sense that Eric´s readings are far from infallible.

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3 hours ago, virtue said:

 

It seems you aren't looking at the right parts what he wrote.

 

 

When someone is accusing me with an unexplained and vague ad hominem and then carrying on as if nothing happened, even though I clearly brought up the allegation as a separate issue, is this not rude?

 

 

Oooppps . I thought you meant  Takingcharge was being rude about   Eric Isen  ( due to 'and ' being between "  rude and smearing Eric Isen "  ...    not rude to you .

 

 

3 hours ago, virtue said:

 

 

Insinuating anyone as paranoid is not a compliment in any context: paranoia is a morbid mental health condition. Especially considering the context is a diagnostic professional's assessment and critical evaluation skills where the entire career reputation is established upon not claiming costly and difficult to deal with false positives, I would say that it's a particularly damning charge.

 

Yeah, I read that differently too  ;   "  You can end up pretty paranoid about stuff that you can't see, "   I took as general, in that  - yes people can get paranoid about things they cant see  and further  thought  ; especially in cases like this .  And I took it as  the slang meaning , as in 'dont get paranoid man '  , not as   ' dont develop a morbid health condition .

 

3 hours ago, virtue said:

If you went next to a physician's office and publicly held a placard saying "He might too paranoid to diagnose your serious issues right, he might be making things up" in any primarily English speaking country, then you would end up with a civil litigation very fast if not hit with public prosecution first. Why? It's freaking rude and clearly recognizable as smear on another person's character.

 

I agree with that .   But , if   I said I went  to Mr Dr Johnston  and he showed me my  x-ray and said ' There is a dark smudge there , that isnt  normal  ( a normal part of you ) . I cant tell you what it is  .... yet .   You need to go to a specialist  (or some other  'continuation'   AND   someone said 'Dont get paranoid about it '   ( and hopefully added  'wait and see how it pans out  '  ) ....

 

Anyway, I am not really involved  in such matters . I will back out and restrict myself to commenting on the matters I am more familiar with .

 

Thanks for your explanations .

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It's an intriguing encounter to be approached in such a manner about this kind of topic.

 

I hope if you find a conclusion to this... seems like you're empowered and have a plan.

and when you do find/create your conclusion, I hope you'll return and share that with us.

 

Good hunting.

 

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5 hours ago, Takingcharge said:


well this topic is taking off..

 

we will be 'hot' on the index page now :)

 

5 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

 

 


 

So far whats being presented right now, is that there is an element attached to me that came from the outside,  assuming the readings are correct

 

how would diving into my own psyche directly Resolve that?

 

Regarding  helpers  and healers ,  there are  types that prefer to ;   work by themselves ,  work with the client , help the client to manage things themselves .  In cases like these , the 2nd and 3rd method require  the client to know or learn  about (at least the basics  and potentials of)  their psyche , which  involves 'diving into it ' .

 

For myself , even with a clear outside negative energy or intent coming at me  , to remedy that, I 'dive in' to the subtle plane of my psyche and deal with it .  (Normally these things now take of themselves 'automatically'  but that had to be set by the same process ; learning about it ,  'diving in'  and 'setting up' .  )

 

It doesnt have to be that deep ;   sometimes even persistent banishing rituals or visualisations will do it .

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

 

You seem to be coming from the

viewpoint of entities being parts of yourself. (do i understand that right?)

 

Its not so black and white .  Its not a case of  either one or the other  ;  not that  its part of the self ( and cant get from outside )  or it IS from outside  (and cannot be any part of the self) .  We could  discuss this in a separate thread for pages . There are some old threads in the esoteric section where this very subject has been in deep discussion as a spin off in other topics .

 

Some entities may be  parts of ourselves, some may not be .   Some hidden inside  ( that may act subtly or not ) may not be know and  can be revealed and incorporated  or expelled , so can some that come in .

 

I know on occasion I have benefited greatly  from dealing with and incorporating both, even after initial  rejection . Yet in other circumstances have expelled them, some have been NASTY .

 

I found it interesting  that my shamanic teacher has dear and intimate spirits with him that he treasures and has great affection for  , yet his people fear these spirits and they are the boogymen of the tribe .

 

 

5 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

whereas im talking about detectable external things, seperate from the person

 

 

 

 

I've always been a bit of  a psychonaught, wanting  to delve into myself, myself . I realise others prefer to have another do it for them .  Even in physical health and medicine , I see a doctor, but also do my own research on any condition .  Especially when he is stumped ! (I have actually educated him about a few things , as he has to study EVERYTHING and I was able to study just me and this one condition in depth .

 

Thing is , it has been shown that it doesnt matter  if you think it has been generated by your self ,  is an outside external invading influence, or is 'hallucination ' , the same approach and treatment is successful . I think that is very significant .

 

- anyway , just trying to answer the questions you put to me . 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Creation said:

I wouldn't come down quite as hard on VF as virtue, and I think VF's line of inquiry is legitimate, BUT this last bit "then really what else is he considering" could be construed as an implication of wrongdoing, that he isn't really considering what he ought to to be saying what he says, that the things he does consider are not the right things or are illegitimate somehow.  This is quite unfair to someone with Eric's level of talent and experience - no one should expect him to be omniscient. 

 

I forgot to mention this, thanks.

 

3 hours ago, ilumairen said:

I took the post in question to be referring to the OP’s concern (paranoia) over entities potentially coloring and informing what Eric saw/sensed/what not, and not about Eric himself being “paranoid.”

 

If this is the case, then Vajra Fist should spend a bit more time constructing sentences with unambiguous meaning.

 

 

@Vajra Fist I would recommend you adopt a bit less reaching tone and not jump to conclusions so eagerly. I don't think is the isolated instance you have done so.

 

You didn't seem to react favorably when I brought up an alternative explanation to karma in my first post which I feel was completely innocent. Your posts can provoke similar feelings in others too like I witness in myself not completely understanding your language in the midst of its provocative tone.

 

For my own behalf I apologize for not seeing the ambiguity issues in your writing and not asking for clarification instead of retorting with a fairly blunt rebuke.

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@virtue let me first say that it was not my intention to appear rude. Multiple posters here have acknowledged that Eric isn’t always infallible. I gave a specific example of where I felt Eric was wrong, and you disagreed with me.

 

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Eric's reading is always for your current moment. You really might be going through a phase of karmic cleansing so that dropping either would do you more good.

 

I could be being sensitive, but this is an ad hominem argument as I see it. We had been discussing my karmic cleansing on another thread and how it had triggered anger issues in me. So I feel like you're saying that my point has more to with my own anger issues than the merits of the argument.

 

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Karma is a tricky thing because it's not linear but interacting agency.

Eric's readings will always change according to person's current karma and circumstances, thus creating a different overall clairvoyant vision as the person lives his or her life in time.

 

 

To which I replied:

 

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If Eric isn't taking into account your own karmic issues when assessing whether a qigong system is suited to you or not, then really what else is he considering?

 

My question is an honest one. You’re saying – correct me if I’m wrong – that Eric can’t be able to take a long term view because your karma is constantly changing. I’ve said that Eric does give long-term readings.

 

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And really the amount of times he's told me that a style does x right now and xyz in a few years, means that he's not just testing for the moment, but over the long term. I'm happy to share specific examples if you dont believe me. 

 

So I don't think you can say that Eric shouldn't be able to see changing karmic circumstance. Since as far as I can tell that would be the main factor that would determine compatibility over the long term. If there’s another factor involved, I’d welcome the correction.

 

I said that OP’s factor’s including his worry over entities may have played a role in a potential misreading by Eric.

 

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You can end up pretty paranoid about stuff that you can't see, imagining all kinds of stuff. Maybe what Eric saw as dark energy was merely what you had attracted to yourself through your worry. 

 

 

 

 

I’m not saying OP is delusional. Sorry if there’s a semantic misunderstanding here, but "paranoid" at least where I come from just means “a bit worried”. I don’t think you can find anywhere in what I wrote that I said Eric is paranoid, which would be a strange point to make.

 

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I would recommend you adopt a bit less reaching tone and not jump to conclusions so eagerly. I don't think is the isolated instance you have done so.

 

Again, I apologise for upsetting you. I was merely defending my original point. As far as I saw it, the thread before my post had jumped to conclusions in accepting Eric's reading as objective fact. I was merely showing that Eric has been known to be wrong before.

 

I honestly find most of your responses here to be quite personal in their direction. Whatever you think of me, I consider you a decent person and I enjoy your posts on this thread. You still have my full respect, for whatever that's worth to you.

 

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Sorry, I was not laughing at your loss of money  but   your point of  -  getting tested every day .

 

@Nungali too close to the bone! I added up my paypal receipts yesterday for the past four years. I've spent slightly north of $3000 on Eric Isen readings in that time. 

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8 hours ago, Takingcharge said:

i think thats pretty irresponcible advice,

 

I'm sorry for coming across as patronising. I was merely hoping to offer a counterpoint to the mounting consensus here that you have an entity attachment, particularly in injecting an element of doubt over the reading you got from Eric. I wish you well, sincerely, and hope you get the help and advice you need. I'll bow out of this thread, think I've stirred up enough bad feeling for one day! Apologies all. 

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The accusations against you seem unfounded to me as well, as does the vitriol, which seems an overreaction coming your way in this conversation @Vajra Fist

 

Your responses seemed to be to the point and unemotionally charged, not rude or accusatory, I read clear, unemotional descriptions of your experience, not an attack of any kind. 

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On 31-8-2020 at 9:37 AM, Vajra Fist said:

 

I'm sorry for coming across as patronising. I was merely hoping to offer a counterpoint to the mounting consensus here that you have an entity attachment, particularly in injecting an element of doubt over the reading you got from Eric. I wish you well, sincerely, and hope you get the help and advice you need. I'll bow out of this thread, think I've stirred up enough bad feeling for one day! Apologies all. 


 

No apologies needed to me, . I have no issues,  i definatly did not read it as being assigned a morbid mental condition :lol:  (I think thats what was said)

 

i just did not agree with some of the things you said n asked about it

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