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  1. Great! Would you mind giving your impressions and experiences about this style and the person of Master Yeung? I would really like to read another perspective in contrast to what Steve Gray has been saying.
  2. Retrograde orgasm (Mature conversation)

    Want to have better sex? Open your heart and learn to love first. Want to learn how to transmute the sexual energy? Open your heart and learn to love first. If you try to jump in energy aspect first, especially in sexual activities, then you are trying to bypass important preliminaries that you would have to address anyway. Tantric practices you mentioned earlier are particularly sensitive to the degree of your heart's openness. Having a free and open heart would also make it much less likely to get snared by devious side paths and training mistakes. There are preliminary practices in all complete traditions worldwide that give emphasis on being humble, charitable, unselfish, and caring in every turn as a part of their ethical attitude and conduct requirements. You might want to read what Jesus spoke in the New Testament about loving others, forgiving, and turning the other cheek for the most profound and immediate lessons available to the Western audience. These two posters that I quoted are hereby declared 100% verified sexperts who know their preheaven and postheaven jing! Here is a timely short excerpt from an upcoming internal alchemy book that refers to the transmutation process and sexual functions leaking energy: https://www.gofundme.com/f/translation-of-ten-discourses-on-daoist-alchemy?viewupdates=1 Except from Chapter 7, "Primordial Jing and Primordial Shen" (italics in the text can't be reproduced here):We need to examine the principles that underlie “refining jing to transform it into qi,” in order to be sure about what “jing” means in the context of this work. Many people misunderstand this concept, and as a result they conflate the later heaven jing related to reproduction and primordial jing. Because later heaven jing has already turned into a substance with a physical form, it is no longer possible to directly transform it into qi. It is already “old,” and therefore cannot be used in inner alchemy. If anybody states that this unclear form of jing can be transformed into some kind of qi, he or she is pointing to a side door leading towards a crooked path. Even a worldly scientist with no knowledge of Daoism can tell that this is impossible, because the principles behind such a practice are illogical.We have to distinguish ordinary jing and primordial jing, but there is a somewhat tricky point we need to be clear about in order to do so. The jing that is refined in inner alchemy is primordial jing. Primordial jing is a relatively subtle form of energy or sustenance found in the human body, and it needs be made to transform into qi, which is an even more subtle and rarefied form of energy. This process is in some ways akin to cooking—when we put ingredients into a pot and add heat, the ingredients will start to steam, meaning that the substances that had been in a liquid state are turning into gases. The tricky point where this analogy breaks down lies in the fact that that primordial jing is formless; it is only akin to a fluid, but it not actually something in the liquid state of matter. Similarly, qi is merely analogous to something in the gaseous state, because it is something that flows throughout the body, but it is not actually a gas. Nevertheless, we use this analogy because when “fire” (which represents the effects created by consciousness) and “wind” (which represents the effects created by the breath) are regulated in tandem, jing can transform into qi, which means that jing transmutes into a more sublime form of energy. That is the meaning of “refining jing to transform it into qi.”Even though primordial jing is distinct from later heaven, corporeal jing, the two are nevertheless closely related. For this reason, if we are to practice internal alchemy, it is necessary to moderate our desires, which means reducing the exhaustion of our sexual energies as much as possible. What principle underlies this statement? Primordial jing is the basic energy of life. If it is called to do so, it will fulfill its function by turning into the body’s sexual fluids and energies. Turning into reproductive jing is the route that primordial jing commonly takes, and as this happens it gets used up. Thus, if we constantly consume our reproductive essences, at the same time our primordial jing will constantly transform into corporeal jing, which means that we will lack the basic ingredient for the alchemical work of “transforming jing to turn it into qi.”Conversely, if we sublimate and refine primordial jing before it has undergone the process of turning into post heaven, physical jing, it will become a higher level energy. Simultaneously, that change will reduce the strength of the impetus that pushes primordial jing to go in the direction of becoming bodily jing. The natural result of this process is to transform sexual energies as well as reduce the rate at which they are consumed; both outcomes are closely intertwined.
  3. Help Needed to Translate Alchemy Book

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/translation-of-ten-discourses-on-daoist-alchemy?viewupdates=1 The rough draft of chapter 7 is finished! Below is a brief excerpt where Professor Ge presents a plainspoken explanation of an internal alchemy teaching that tends to elicit quite a bit of concern, confusion, and even obsession amid those who are curious about Daoist meditation (especially the young fellas).As I start on chapter 8, I humbly any supporters who belong to Facebook groups or message boards where other members might be interested in reading "Ten Discourses on Daoist Alchemy" to please consider sharing a link to this page. The rough draft of chapter 7 is 15,000+ words long and took over 50 hours to complete. This means I've still got another ~200 hours of translation left to do, and *then* I've got to hire a proofreader! Still a long way to go. I thank you in advance for considering spreading the word._______________________Except from Chapter 7, "Primordial Jing and Primordial Shen" (italics in the text can't be reproduced here):We need to examine the principles that underlie “refining jing to transform it into qi,” in order to be sure about what “jing” means in the context of this work. Many people misunderstand this concept, and as a result they conflate the later heaven jing related to reproduction and primordial jing. Because later heaven jing has already turned into a substance with a physical form, it is no longer possible to directly transform it into qi. It is already “old,” and therefore cannot be used in inner alchemy. If anybody states that this unclear form of jing can be transformed into some kind of qi, he or she is pointing to a side door leading towards a crooked path. Even a worldly scientist with no knowledge of Daoism can tell that this is impossible, because the principles behind such a practice are illogical.We have to distinguish ordinary jing and primordial jing, but there is a somewhat tricky point we need to be clear about in order to do so. The jing that is refined in inner alchemy is primordial jing. Primordial jing is a relatively subtle form of energy or sustenance found in the human body, and it needs be made to transform into qi, which is an even more subtle and rarefied form of energy. This process is in some ways akin to cooking—when we put ingredients into a pot and add heat, the ingredients will start to steam, meaning that the substances that had been in a liquid state are turning into gases. The tricky point where this analogy breaks down lies in the fact that that primordial jing is formless; it is only akin to a fluid, but it not actually something in the liquid state of matter. Similarly, qi is merely analogous to something in the gaseous state, because it is something that flows throughout the body, but it is not actually a gas. Nevertheless, we use this analogy because when “fire” (which represents the effects created by consciousness) and “wind” (which represents the effects created by the breath) are regulated in tandem, jing can transform into qi, which means that jing transmutes into a more sublime form of energy. That is the meaning of “refining jing to transform it into qi.”Even though primordial jing is distinct from later heaven, corporeal jing, the two are nevertheless closely related. For this reason, if we are to practice internal alchemy, it is necessary to moderate our desires, which means reducing the exhaustion of our sexual energies as much as possible. What principle underlies this statement? Primordial jing is the basic energy of life. If it is called to do so, it will fulfill its function by turning into the body’s sexual fluids and energies. Turning into reproductive jing is the route that primordial jing commonly takes, and as this happens it gets used up. Thus, if we constantly consume our reproductive essences, at the same time our primordial jing will constantly transform into corporeal jing, which means that we will lack the basic ingredient for the alchemical work of “transforming jing to turn it into qi.”Conversely, if we sublimate and refine primordial jing before it has undergone the process of turning into post heaven, physical jing, it will become a higher level energy. Simultaneously, that change will reduce the strength of the impetus that pushes primordial jing to go in the direction of becoming bodily jing. The natural result of this process is to transform sexual energies as well as reduce the rate at which they are consumed; both outcomes are closely intertwined.
  4. It turns out that Oneness Movement had been outed in a large police investigation few years ago. Another would-be guru pretender had decided to turn promises of heaven into a stable source of revenue. A few years ago I had discovered some very critical accounts about Oneness Movement money collection practices and their deeksha (aka "Oneness blessing") initiations, and I had been very skeptical how one of their proposed unorthodox yoga methods, becoming a "cosmic being" and staying in prolonged and seemingly uncomfortable trance, could possibly help cleanse an individual's karma. Out of respect for anyone's positive belief about the Oneness Movement spiritual practices, I'll say that these negative claims are difficult to prove. Some fairly recent news about Oneness Movement tax avoidance, money laundering, and political corruption to cover land-grabs: https://www.opindia.com/2019/10/kalki-bhagwan-income-tax-raids/ https://theprint.in/india/kalki-bhagavan-guru-started-as-lic-clerk-undisclosed-income-500-crore/309158/ https://openthemagazine.com/features/the-cult-of-kalki-bhagavan/ https://www.theweek.in/theweek/current/2019/11/09/mystic-and-the-moolah.html Wikipedia's page on the leader Vijaykumar Naidu aka "Kalki Bhagavan" is no less flattering (remember to check the sources for authenticity): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki_Bhagawan I consider it to be a very serious red flag that anyone declares themselves to be an Avatar or God incarnate. All the reported issues with excess wealth on the other hand testify of ordinary samsaric greed above all. His organization also participated in the apocalyptic year 2012 scare mongering, for goodness sake! I haven't been able to vet all these sources throughout, but they offer very critical glimpses into the Oneness Movement's conduct and spiritual projects. Be mindful that some of the links on the pages are expired and must be retrieved through the Internet Archive Wayback Machine that has stored lots of old websites. http://deekshadanger.weebly.com/freddy-speaks-out.htm http://deekshadanger.weebly.com/links.html http://deekshadanger.weebly.com/deeksha-black-tantra.html https://jonathanevatt.com/the-dark-side-of-the-oneness-movement-1773/ https://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html https://mortentolboll.weebly.com/a-critique-of-the-indian-oneness-movement-and-its-use-of-western-success-coaching.html Select Quotes from the above Sources To me the most alarming issue is about the practices themselves. The Oneness Movement claims to give authentic deeksha initiations that connect to God and to teach how to become a "cosmic being" by remaining in a trance torpor. The latter especially is something that I am very wary of because the Buddhist teachings point out in unison that karma of self-grasping can be only shed when there is relaxed and open ("ordinary") awareness present. Even the proper Dhyana absorptions wouldn't fit for this purpose, although they can be very useful in transforming the energy-body. (This is an important technical point concerning Form skandha vs four other immaterial skandhas, but it's beyond the current discussion.) Excerpted from Why I ended my Involvement with the Oneness Movement by Christian Opitz (Neuroscience PhD): Freddy Nielsen left the Oneness Movement after being one of Kalki Bhagavan's closest disciples for 15 years. Now he speaks out: Does Bhagavan use Tantrics to get powers?
  5. A message to the moderators

    @ilumairen It seems you are completely ignoring the actual and very serious issue about the Ausar debacle in favor of grasping straw man arguments in that thread which Rene started and which had an entirely flawed and biased premise. Now it's time to take three steps backwards and start seeing the entire big picture. I will try to be clear, but acknowledging the Ausar's scam and associated malice has been a consistent issue with this mod squad. Before Sean took over there were or had been three big issues that were rocking the board, from more global problems to more localized: toxic alt-right friendly atmosphere a freaky astral sex cult Ausar's scam and attempted character assassination of Terry Dunn Listing the same items in terms of acute seriousness and predatory behavior: Ausar's scam and attempted character assassination of Terry Dunn a freaky astral sex cult toxic alt-right friendly atmosphere The problem then is that there was a reverse relation between the danger and its visibility on the board like in real life true criminal activity thrives under neglect and the lack of watchfulness. It's furthermore explained explained by the fact that Sifu Terry, Earl Grey, and even myself, we all spent a lot of hours in countering both the orchestrated and spontaneous disinformation and malice initiated by Ausar. There were many people who were unwittingly playing to Ausar's fiddle and for a while it seemed like every bitter voice suddenly came out of the woods to have unfair jabs at Sifu Terry, Grandmaster Doo Wai, the Bak Fu Pai family arts, or the Flying Phoenix system. You have to realize that Ausar was asking a lot of money ($10,000) from TDB members and had actually been successful in duping some gullible people by selling fabricated and dangerous meditations. It was reported that the duped individuals would "see entities" after those meditations, which suggests that the inauthentic meditations caused some degree of neurological damage. In this context Rene's initial post was seriously mistaken and misleading: She simply didn't have much clue what was going on. Amusingly, it wasn't too long ago that I again had to write a rebuke against Ausar when his "meditations" were offered around here without any precautions, but thelerner, in his moderator capability, was really lenient and clearly not understanding the issue in its heart. It took a lot bitching from me before he and Trunk reacted at all. Do the mods exist to enforce polite rules and social etiquette, or are the policies and mods here to keep this place actually safe from all types of predators and disinformation that could lead to people getting hurt? I have seen few of the mods and some other people opine that even this type of mistakes can be good for wisdom, but I find such sentiments disheartening and alarming in the context of overall wisdom and ethical integrity. tl;dr: Some people did a huge work for busting the nuts of a crazy scammer and his ignorant puppets, but in the end they get no recognition but misunderstanding and disdain.
  6. You talk about others draining you, but then you give instructions in the above quote how to do energetic vampirism under the guise of retaliation. It's not just your nutritional advice that is unethical.
  7. Your advice was completely unsolicited and still remains completely unethical. No, you first. I can be as critical as I want within the limits of forum rules. You say you are offering golden advice, I say you were offering turds. Funny. Meditation and spiritual growth is conventionally aimed for the dropping and leaving of negativity and involvement in such matters, but what did you do by your own account? Straight after finishing you took the phone, found out that someone had posted an disagreeable opinion, and eagerly jumped back into the cycle of negativity you are trying shrug off. How is meditation working for you anyway then? I'm sorry if my (lack of?) level is causing you to experience issues. Want that too from you? Wow, give me all you got, show me your true level of projection! No, I wish everyone to examine your discernment in public view. It's alright, criticism can be very fun, too. Through it we are going on a happy ride where only friendly smiles and laughter reside. Honk, honk!
  8. Elixirs

    Unintentional innuendo is the best.
  9. It's unethical of you to give (or actually more accurately: push without consent) detailed nutritional counsel to any person whose constitution and actual condition you are not fit to assess. Even if you were a practicing nutritionist, you simply aren't diagnosing anything remotely on an Internet forum.
  10. But I thought we all were retaining the seed around here!?
  11. What exactly is your contribution to this discussion?
  12. I'm not big boned, it's just that I have achieved Neigong!
  13. A message to the moderators

    You shouldn't apologize because sometimes it's necessary to be a bit blunt. You were entirely honest to yourself and to the point you made, and this precisely helped me to gain most of it. My assessment back then was colored by what seemed like a sudden change of tone in interacting with you, but it has changed for better because I recognize I had a noteworthy flaw and too thin skin to admit I was wrong. There was nothing wrong in what you did in my opinion. There may be other points that I may address in your post later, but this is all for now.
  14. A message to the moderators

    What I am writing below is not meant personally to you, but I wanted to comment on your ideas. I indirectly addressed this concern in my Vitriol topic that I recommend everyone to read. In my opinion there exists no wise categorical solution to the problem of direct and indirect personal slights. Why? It's an issue of the relationship between people, not what is said or how it's delivered. A friend can say to me rude things even in public because I know he or she has my back covered and absolutely means well. Even strangers and enemies can say uncomfortable things about me publicly because it's his opinion and right to explain his stance if I'm not somehow fitting his expectations, and the same goes for me against him. It's clear and defined. Example: @steve once addressed me in a stern and confrontational manner when I neglected to properly address wisdom practices in internal arts, as if energy work was somehow enough to consider. I felt he was being a dick how he made his point, but it was a very instructive lesson that I have kept reaping rich rewards ever since. Thanks steve! This issue only becomes confusing when there are really thin skinned people who haven't learned to set personal borders firmly and may feel everything overwhelmingly offensive or argumentative, which will lead to a pressure for stricter enforcement of no insults policy because it's a common decency to offer others respite. The irony is that the thin skinned in turn use their whining to cross personal borders when they unilaterally start demanding so and so compliant behavior from others in order to maneuver others around their own unstable and weak personal borders. Why the hell should this be a sign of civility if we completely catered to such demands? I can already think of one person who certainly used the tactic I just described in recent memory. As a somewhat related note, the severest forms of abuse are always when a manipulator keeps shifting the perception of personal borders and then the victimized person loses the clear track of who this other person is — A friend or foe? Why can't I understand how he really wishes to relate to me? — to which the manipulator always inserts the trope he didn't do anything wrong, but it was always the victim's fault for failing to take care of this or that. Okay, so what's beyond friends and enemies? It's the lukewarm people who don't clearly define their relation to me that are a concern, even in forum environments. They don't actually talk to me, we haven't formally gotten introduced, and yet they seem to know me better than I myself when he needs to refer to me. That's what any bully essentially is: He may come over and trashes me directly or he may indirectly hurt me by spreading mean gossip behind my back, but most importantly, he never relates to me as a person but as an object and plaything devoid of human value that is put aside when the "need for fun" is over. Do you now see why Earl Grey might have felt so bitterly abused? Otherwise, you wouldn't understand the pain because you haven't related to him despite his cries. I've tried my best to help people reconcile, but I can only do so much. Either you understand this point and work to resolve it or this drama may keep cycling on and on. PS. Writing about this topic now and recently on Vitriol has made me understand my own bad experiences related to abuse and bullying. It's starting to feel so clear now.
  15. What do you see? (This is a test)

    Latent lactose intolerance.