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Town Hall Meeting on Self-Governance for TDB Re: No Mods or Sean Currently

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15 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

He knows he elicits that kind of reaction and he does it on purpose.  Similar to me in some ways.  it looks like he handled it well enough and it has calmed down now.

He does it because that’s who he is, he was bullied because that’s what bullies do. Own it.

Plenty of people didn’t attack...

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On 2/11/2020 at 2:12 AM, liminal_luke said:

My partner is sensitive to negative news stories so I tell him not to watch.  Why put oneself in a position to get worked up? 

 

Hi LL,

 

My best regards to your partner.

 

- Anand

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9 minutes ago, steve said:

He does it because that’s who he is, he was bullied because that’s what bullies do. Own it.

Plenty of people didn’t attack...

 

For someone trying to be fair to him, the context was already explained as to why some of us were already on alert when he came in, especially when a former member, boerwoers came in with absolutely no humility and was met with reciprocity for his hostility to feedback for his own questions. Josh, however, is good humored, and that was demonstrated quite well and is part of why he is now a welcome member because of, not in spite of, his idiosyncrasies. 

 

I owned my original hazing and apologized already, and welcome him. I still stand by being on alert due to recent events too. 

 

The point you bring up, however, is still valid as is thelerner with how to deal with things, but I will have the final wording based on the spirit of the intention of what some people are asking, because their phrasing isn't quite clear for the purpose of tarot or Akashic. For discussion, it is good, but for direct questions, it needs more refinement.

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9 minutes ago, steve said:

He does it because that’s who he is, he was bullied because that’s what bullies do. Own it.

Plenty of people didn’t attack...

 

Aww, ain't they sweet.  Coochie coochie.

 

Lordy asked a question.  I answered it.  Then we went on for a whole page with him saying I didn't want to answer, so I was teasing him about that.

 

Maybe there's something you need to own Stevie.

 

... and don't fucking tell me what to do.

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On 2/11/2020 at 9:56 PM, JustARandomPanda said:

Woah! Well this is unexpected.

 

Daobums has gone old-school? No Mods? When did that happen? January 1st?

 

No Modding - that's the way it was in the early years. :D

 

Having seen how it works with and without each have their pros and cons but I think the way it's done now - very limited mod power over one's own thread - seems to be a decent compromise between the two.

 

 

Good to see you around again Serene.

 

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12 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

Aww, ain't they sweet.  Coochie coochie.

 

Lordy asked a question.  I answered it.  Then we went on for a whole page with him saying I didn't want to answer, so I was teasing him about that.

 

Maybe there's something you need to own Stevie.

 

... and don't fucking tell me what to do.

 

 About what I expected. You are a bully. You’re unable or unwilling to see it or own it. You’ve been banned for your endless abuse before and, if moderation comes back, I’m sure you’ll be banned again. It’s just your nature. What names would you like to call me next, Stevie?

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31 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

For someone trying to be fair to him, the context was already explained as to why some of us were already on alert when he came in, especially when a former member, boerwoers came in with absolutely no humility and was met with reciprocity for his hostility to feedback for his own questions. Josh, however, is good humored, and that was demonstrated quite well and is part of why he is now a welcome member because of, not in spite of, his idiosyncrasies. 

 

I owned my original hazing and apologized already, and welcome him. I still stand by being on alert due to recent events too. 

 

The point you bring up, however, is still valid as is thelerner with how to deal with things, but I will have the final wording based on the spirit of the intention of what some people are asking, because their phrasing isn't quite clear for the purpose of tarot or Akashic. For discussion, it is good, but for direct questions, it needs more refinement.

 

I’m not really interested in tarot or Akashic so I’ll leave it to others to phrase questions. I rarely engage with anyone here but I’ve gotten tired of sitting back and watching all of the childish name calling and bullying. I do appreciate that you owned your actions in the other thread and provided an explanation. That shows integrity and self-awareness, two qualities I value highly.

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15 minutes ago, steve said:

What names would you like to call me next, Stevie?

 

I didn't call you a name, yet.  I don't see Stevie as name calling.

 

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You are a bully. You’re unable or unwilling to see it or own it.

 

I know what I am and I can see it.  You're an idiot, looking in the mirror, for thinking I don't see it or own it.

 

So, screwdeedooda, baby.

 

Keep on cryin' mama

Cryin' your blues away

 

 

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14 minutes ago, steve said:

if moderation comes back

 

Hi steve,

 

There IS moderation ~ feel it.

 

17 minutes ago, steve said:

What names would you like to call me next, Stevie?

 

steve <= Stevie => Steve

 

- Anand

 

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6 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

I didn't call you a name, yet.  I don't see Stevie as name calling.

 

steve <= Stevie => Steve

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8 minutes ago, Starjumper said:

 

I didn't call you a name, yet.  I don't see Stevie as name calling.

 

 

I know what I am and I can see it.  You're an idiot, looking in the mirror, for thinking I don't see it or own it.

 

So, screwdeedooda, baby.

 

Keep on cryin' mama

Cryin' your blues away

 

 

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You can do better than that!

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12 minutes ago, steve said:

You can do better than that!

 

Yes i could, but don't hold your breath.  Or as I tell the ladies: "keep your pants on"

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1 minute ago, Starjumper said:

 

Yes i could, but don't hold your breath.  Or as I tell the ladies: "keep your pants on"

 

No worries, I like to breath and wear pants...

I spoke my truth and can move on.

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3 hours ago, steve said:

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You can do better than that!

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Not much better .

 

Mr Jumper has been exhibiting that trait earlier mentioned  of  someone's frustration  and  anger spreading into other unrelated  threads .

 

And also invading them with off topic comments and directions to his threads elsewhere  .... about  selling his books and pricing his videos .  .

 

 

 

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Last day to take in questions, everyone! About 24 hours from the time of this post is when I will post everything received so far for both Nungali and I to do a reading on with Akashic and tarot respectively!

 

There's also still time to volunteer if you wish to use I-ching or whatever method you have for these questions too!

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Okay, everyone! Here are the questions to be asked from both me with the Akashic method and @Nungali with tarot. 

 

1. What are some things we can do as a community to positively grow?

 

2. Show us how to manage problems such as i) trolls, ii) threats, and iii)scamgong. 

 

3. Show us what to do when there is conflict and how to resolve it in the best way possible for those involved.

 

4. Show us what is the nature of The Dao Bums forum and its highest potential.

 

5. Show us the biggest obstacles for growth.

 

6. Show us the problems we aren't aware of or aren't able to see at this time. ii) Show us how to address them collectively as a community. iii) Show us what each individual can do on their own to deal with it.

 

7. Show us how we can have a good eclectic community without letting misinformation and the misinformed affect the quality of information from knowledgeable students from lineage.


8. Show us how to communicate the importance of proper lineage to those who are not interested in it, specifically the self-initiates.

 

9. Show us what those focused on getting along need to know about lineage.

 

10. Show us what those focused on proper lineage and teaching need to know about eclecticism.

 

11. Show us what is important for everyone to know and understand that they don’t know they don’t understand about the need for integrity of training.

 

12. Show us the same about self-initiation.

 

13. Show us what is important to know about the forum that we aren't aware of.

 

14. Show us what is helpful to begin a dialogue to talk about it right now (based off of answer to 13). 

 

15. What is the #1 thing that TDB needs now?

 

16. If there is something that we need to be asking that we all want to ask but don't know the words or what it is, show us what the question is and what the answer is.

 

17. Anything else the MTLs want us to know before we close?

 

I will post answers later

 

To cross-check, I will also answer first with Ordinary Mind, then I will open the records and ask using the Akashic. 

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Ordinary Mind Answers (my own personal opinion)

 

1. What are some things we can do as a community to positively grow?

Look for commonalities and try to establish some order.

 

2. Show us how to manage problems such as i) trolls, ii) threats, and iii) scamgong. 

Call them out and report them to necessary authorities for serious issues.

 

3. Show us what to do when there is conflict and how to resolve it in the best way possible for those involved.

Take a break and then listen, have someone privately talk as a friend to get them to do these and consider what the other party is feeling more than what they are saying.

 

4. Show us what is the nature of The Dao Bums forum and its highest potential.

A great place to gather and be a go-to resource for learning and making friends.

 

5. Show us the biggest obstacles for growth.

Trolls, scammers, big egos, arguments.

 

6. Show us the problems we aren't aware of or aren't able to see at this time. ii) Show us how to address them collectively as a community. iii) Show us what each individual can do on their own to deal with it.

Can't answer--I don't know.

 

7. Show us how we can have a good eclectic community without letting misinformation and the misinformed affect the quality of information from knowledgeable students from lineage.

Let the qualified teachers and representatives speak on behalf of what they know and let self-initiates be open to criticism.


8. Show us how to communicate the importance of proper lineage to those who are not interested in it, specifically the self-initiates.

Safety of the practitioners and integrity of the practice.

 

9. Show us what those focused on getting along need to know about lineage.

Safety and preserving integrity.

 

10. Show us what those focused on proper lineage and teaching need to know about eclecticism.

Not everyone is out to become a master.

 

11. Show us what is important for everyone to know and understand that they don’t know and they don’t understand about the need for integrity of training.

Can't answer--ordinary mind is limited.

 

12. Show us the same about self-initiation.

Can't answer.

 

13. Show us what is important to know about the forum that we aren't aware of.

Can't answer.

 

14. Show us what is helpful to begin a dialogue to talk about it right now (based off of answer to 13). 

Can't answer.

 

15. What is the #1 thing that TDB needs now?

Moderation.

 

16. If there is something that we need to be asking that we all want to ask but don't know the words or what it is, show us what the question is and what the answer is.

Can't answer.

 

17. Anything else the MTLs want us to know before we close?

Can't answer.

 

Akashic Answers

 

1. What are some things we can do as a community to positively grow?

Encouraging connectivity, friendship, and openness.

 

2. Show us how to manage problems such as i) trolls, ii) threats, and iii) scamgong. 

i) A troll most of the time believes that they are martyrs who want others to understand and accept what they want to communicate. Some believe we are trolls when we call them trolls. We can compassionately encourage them to share as they wish as they may have difficulty once they are ostracized and emotionally unable to convey the things that they want to say.

 

ii) Examine and expose the possibility and probability of the threat and the ability to enact it. A threat is at times a common exasperated and exhausted attempt to address a member's wish for them to be understood.

 

iii) Compare who wants to do scamgong to who wants what works. Whoever wants scamgong wishes to be content on their current vibration or understanding. Whoever wants to move out of it would incline towards working a correct practice. 

 

3. Show us what to do when there is conflict and how to resolve it in the best way possible for those involved.

Engage each other when we want to understand one another. While we are arguing, all of us always aggravate one another when unable to understand one another and wanting to be understood first or refusing to encourage each other to understand. 

What about those not directly involved? What can they do? Wish each other well without agitating each party involved

 

4. Show us what is the nature of The Dao Bums forum and its highest potential.

Image: a fountain with benches in a community where everyone is able to hang out and discuss the things that interest each other in common.

 

Image: An academy where everyone is able to pursue their interests without having to necessarily encourage each other to understand what are the same subjects. A History major in university won't have to take higher level Biochemistry classes, but will at least ask to have a minimal understanding of the subject, just as a Biochemistry major has a basic understanding of the humanities and general curriculum.

 

5. Show us the biggest obstacles for growth.

Images: ChiDragon wishing he had authority and his video of him doing Zhan Zhuang, but it was never Zhan Zhuang to begin with; welkin, unable to encourage a community but always saying that our forum is unaware or unable to acknowledge we have problems, any Mo Pai diatribe. 

 

Expand and elaborate, pleaseIndividual egos who are unable to acknowledge we have a lot more to learn or aren't aware as we like to insist we are.

 

Why those specific individuals groups?  A master in his own mind--any who have incomplete information who are intent and adamant as they are implicitly reveal we are no different. We could accept any intent to encourage instead of enable ego in them and in us.

 

6. Show us the problems we aren't aware of or aren't able to see at this time. ii) Show us how to address them collectively as a community. iii) Show us what each individual can do on their own to deal with it.

Impartial isn't aware and empathic. Everyone has a comparatively individual idea as to how the forum is and what that means to them. A common cause or intent as a community is what we can invest in.

 

Each of us would get a lot by asking how they want our forum to be--as how we are in this moment is a lot different from how we see it and how we want it. 

 

Taomeow has her own view, Nungali has his, and each have a different idea of how they both individually wish it to be. 

 

7. Show us how we can have a good eclectic community without letting misinformation and the misinformed affect the quality of information from knowledgeable students from lineage.

Image: a library. A library can have a lot of points to consider with all literature and subjects. We are drawn to what interests us before we are all interested in other interesting topics. Whoever wishes to be left in their corner would be best left to make their own conclusions because we are working in common in some groups and we are working individually in many circumstances. We are unable to enforce each other. We have to invite them to be interested in everything that is important instead of asking them to listen to us. "I can't look at romance novels even if you tell me that we have good authors" is a good reminder of how we are a library at the moment, not a curriculum.


8. Show us how to communicate the importance of proper lineage to those who are not interested in it, specifically the self-initiates.

Image: each individual is interested in doing whatever they want, and as much as we want them to make effort and avoid harming themselves, we are as effective as warning labels and images on cigarette boxes showing the hazards of smoking. If they do what they do, we won't be able to stop them as we are unable to stop smoking. 

 

9. Show us what those focused on getting along need to know about lineage.

Image: allowing each other to do what we want is okay, but a smoker still has a designated area outside, not where we are eating or mingling with one another as it could harm others who are weak or susceptible to smoking. Open-mindedness and welcoming others isn't the same as safety.

 

10. Show us what those focused on proper lineage and teaching need to know about eclecticism.

Anyone interested in dieting and detoxing and having a beach body wishes to be in that movement or with that diet which accompanies this lifestyle. Anyone interested in fast food and wrestling is interested in what they want, not what is always good. They can be friends with one another, as a yoga junkie and vegan is not out to encourage a wrestling fan and burger-lover to be part of her lifestyle, and anyone can see in what each of the two do is the fruit of their practice. 

 

11. Show us what is important for everyone to know and understand that they don’t know they don’t understand about the need for integrity of training.

Injuries. Anyone in crossfit knows this could happen even with coaches/instructors who are unqualified and have McDojo tendencies. Anyone who in crossfit is aware that they even encourage each other to be moderate, but it is also a major contradiction in the philosophy of pushing yourself. Any contradiction we are unaware of is a result of our interest and end result as being a lot more important than our safety. 

 

12. Show us the same about self-initiation.

Image: Obese guy doing pushups and wearing a headband who is jumping up and down and acting if he were a master of fitness and if you are unable to see how he is a master of fitness, then he is unwilling to accept any critique you have of what he does because it is his own business and it works for him. 

 

13. Show us what is important to know about the forum that we aren't aware of.

Anyone could go anytime and we do care and miss them, but we waste our time arguing instead of wishing each other well and demonstrating we want to be friends and we do care about one another.

 

Think Marblehead and anyone who has died or gone away unexpectedly.

 

14. Show us what is helpful to begin a dialogue to talk about it right now (based off of answer to 13). 

A thread dedicated to saying something nice about each other, no matter who it is.

 

15. What is the #1 thing that TDB needs now?

Image: Congregating in a mess hall, eating and enjoying Christmas and Thanksgiving-like atmospheres where we all acknowledge why we are here, we are a good community and family, share food with one another, give gifts, and appreciate that joy. We are all a good group who ultimately wish to be our best, but we are caught up in who works best in what context and who is right and who is wrong. 

 

16. If there is something that we need to be asking that we all want to ask but don't know the words or what it is, show us what the question is and what the answer is.

"How can I accept I am unable to encourage others to beware of things that would harm them?"

 

Accept that we are here when a woman comes into the clinic and says her son or daughter was unable to listen to them. We are not their parents and we as parents are not the ones who control them or what they do. We accept them as triage and guide them as we are welcome to work with them only as they accept that we are here to help them.

 

17. Anything else the MTLs want us to know before we close?

Everyone here is worthy. Anyone who wishes to learn is worth it. 

 

Thank you MTLs.

 

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Seems like a dose of non-violent communication would solve a lot of these issues. 

 

My favourite method will always be someone elses heavily watered down method, even between established lineages you see this. 

 

But how we communicate this sets the stage. 

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