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I find no usefulness in disparaging others' realities.

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1 hour ago, rene said:

I find no usefulness in disparaging others' realities.

 

I think if one was very ill and looking for hope to solve that illness or problem and one gave their last $1,000 to a fraudster as above and one found that actually they'd been had, one would feel rather disparaged themselves don't you think?

I once was nearly killed, I spent two months in a hospital in one position. I had to learn to walk again and by the time I had got home I then suffered PTSS to add to my trauma. I had little money and If I had believed in God and gave my last money to a fraudster in hope that I would feel better, that would have been an even worse disaster. What makes this sicker than big business ripping workers off etc is that this man is preying on the most vulnerable and those who mostly can ill afford to add to his $23 million profit he made in one year alone.

 

Better to know what the world is like and what people do than bury one's head in the sand or be ripped off in the name of God, or in the name of anything else!

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10 minutes ago, flowing hands said:

Better to know what the world is like and what people do than bury one's head in the sand or be ripped off in the name of God.

 

Some people will believe absolutely anything that's put in front of them. That's the way the world is, and it's getting worse by the day.

These televangelists live in luxury, complete with huge mansions, designer yachts and private jets. All paid for by the gullible masses, hoping for a way into heaven.

But hey, don't let the likes us try and advise people to keep away from them God forbid !

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I also find no usefulness in thinking that I know what is 'better' for someone else.

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20 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

 

Some people will believe absolutely anything that's put in front of them. That's the way the world is, and it's getting worse by the day.

These televangelists live in luxury, complete with huge mansions, designer yachts and private jets. All paid for by the gullible masses, hoping for a way into heaven.

But hey, don't let the likes us try and advise people to keep away from them God forbid !

 

Trouble is that God doesn't give a damn , (he's too busy practicing Wu wei), for we are all born sinful according to the Bible, so we might as well get on with it and have a jolly good time and rip each other off and enjoy the fruits of our sin :lol:! No I won't mention the snake and the apple I promise!!!

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9 hours ago, flowing hands said:

 

This of course could also be perceived as a personal attack!

It is not relevant, if you do not take money,  and if you did it would be a radar question.

 

Unfortunately, you ain't that important / special, that I would research your activity, what you do and who you are.

Hence, the miscommunication.

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14 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

It is not relevant, if you do not take money,  and if you did it would be a radar question.

 

Unfortunately, you ain't that important / special, that I would research your activity, what you do and who you are.

Hence, the miscommunication.

 

What a wonderful use of words you have, is English your first language? "you ain't that important", and its up to our dear mods as to whether they think you are personally attacking, not you.

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2 hours ago, flowing hands said:

What a wonderful use of words you have, is English your first language? "you ain't that important", and its up to our dear mods as to whether they think you are personally attacking, not you.

 

The wording is fine, it resembles what it should.

English is global language not just usa or uk, and english in uk and usa is worlds apart different.

I never have issues with anyone's english. If someone has problems with that , they need to adapt.

Particularly, short online posts do not follow rules of "essay" or "scientific report".

 

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What makes you think that you are genuine priest, with rights to take money for healing or whatever you do?

There was no personal attack that is 100%.

I do not need to insult someone. To explain my point and have a constructive discussion.

I questioned your credibility and authenticity of your teaching, what makes you think you have qualifications to judge and teach and whatever you are doing here?

Because of some drawing of some immortal that never truly existed in this world, but is a teacher of your school?

 

Very possible that your school is also like TIn Yat Dao Sect, not real / fake.

How do you work / heal, if you do not take money?

 

 

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One of the biggest frustrations I have about this forum and the anonymous nature of the Internet is that it also takes something very difficult to fundamentally measure fairly rather than objectively or equally, which is the esoteric path. 

 

I will actually be referencing a few groups here including our favorite WMP friends and am trying to speak as respectfully as possible with the full disclosure that I am making zero attacks on anyone mentioned here.

 

To put it simply, none of us for the most part know each other's complexities as human beings, even divorced of our practices and our participation here. What we especially don't know about is the veracity or legitimacy of someone's practice, which can vary with topics outright decrying Mantak Chia and Michael Winn as frauds and weak or unhealthy practices versus people who are very happy with the results. What is more important is the sincerity of each practitioner, and even then, it's hard to verify, because besides generational, national cultural, political, and linguistic barriers such as many who don't speak English as their first language here, we also have the further limiting factor that is people's ability to communicate in writing their depth of understanding, let alone the difficulties even I as a writer and professional struggle with in conveying my points.

 

By the logical positivist school of thinking, we are all failures in our ability to communicate effectively. By my own humanity, that failure is what makes us closer to one another. 

 

The administration here describes this as a café-like atmosphere where decorum and etiquette are determined by them, but when you mix spiritual and esoteric practices, it becomes more of a pub in that regard since these practices affect our perceptions and relationship with the veils of the myriad of realities we pass through, but more apparently, it stirs egos, both our own and others. And while in an actual physical establishment where people will gravitate towards others who share similar interests and can ignore the others who clash with them, the problem with the nature of an Internet forum is that these conversations, unless edited, hidden, or deleted, stay here forever and people are judged by those posts, which are also impacted by the above complexities I've mentioned with language, age, culture, and such. I'm not ashamed of my posts, but I am also not proud of a few of them over the years, and I went from being an idealistic and curious individual in 2015 to someone more settled into my path, suffice to say I am more of a journeyman and an adept in 2019 rather than a recently-elevated senior apprentice then. And as a human being, I of course have my moments and struggles. 

 

What I have found helpful was talking to people in private and even offline, especially when I gave free or voluntary donation-based Akashic readings here and got to know many individuals on video conference or phone calls, and even meeting up in person with some. It helps to hear the tone, to know someone as a person, an individual, and a human, and find out how they sound and look and their little tics and quirks are far different from their ability to express themselves in writing, and likewise, people don't see us, they assemble us through the filter of their own projections as we do to them. 

 

In short: we have both hands and feet tied to the chair, our mouths gagged, eyes blindfolded, ears plugged, and are judged by our ability to understand Shakespeare, Sartre, and Solzhenitsyn in Sanskrit and communicate it in a translation into Esperanto while using only morse code to others, and the consequences of this stay with us for a long time because they only know what we've said and do not how we look or feel, nor do they know anything about us. 

 

The metrics by which people measure their own practice and others is not a constant in this forum. Flowing Hands is someone that could be a fraud or a holy man and nobody knows without knowing him or being part of the same school. By the metrics of my own lineages, I give him my respect because I can sense it in him and in GSMaster, while those same metrics are the ones that make me grateful for Flowing Hands informing us of new developments from Tin Yat Dao and advising caution. By those same metrics I personally have, I may not agree with the deviations from traditional transmission of the WMP group, but I can empathize with them even if I can't agree with them since their metric is not mine and my metric is not theirs, and still be friendly with them so long as we understand that we aren't converting each other the same way a Jew and a Buddhist talking about their different views doesn't have to be about burning synagogues and temples but about understanding why they believe what they believe and don't necessarily agree with your views. (Briefly, I offer apologies to any of you members of that group reading this because I only say WMP since that's the common recognized title for you as they separate you from actual and current students of JC's lineage). 

 

As a result of the lack of consistent metrics to measure and verify practices or recognize authority in others and their practices, we can't really help but be agnostic about everything, even if the actual masters people revere were to post in this forum. It already happens as I know even Sifu Terry Dunn of the Flying Phoenix thread is so busy that I've been asked to help manage that thread as his student. 

 

The problem with the above as a representative of Terry Dunn is that when an incident occurs that his own students understand what is wrong (trolling our thread, insulting Sifu Terry, and defending a scammer), those on the outside and not in the know have indeed construed their own version of events and I have endured their insults, including the most amusing one when someone said "My flow is better than yours". It's an opinion and not the most endearing thing to hear (to say the least), but it's also an uninformed opinion because it has more to do with that individual looking through the lens of their practice, their values, and their ignorance of the internal situation in our own corner of the café (which will not be available to see as most of the offending posts have been edited out), as well as the emphasis on the overall forum's view of fairness, which again is not consistent even amongst mods as it is to their own discretion with again their own human fallibilities.

 

This thread has gone from being a public service announcement to stern warning on civility and now the questioning of legitimacy and authority or qualifications of individuals like Flowing Hands and another exhausting chapter of the battle between the mods and the individuals over what is proper, and unfortunately, even if I agree with Flowing Hands, we're in their territory and it's a lost cause since their priority is to give everyone an equal opportunity to speak and have themselves protected within reason.

 

It is one thing to be non-judging, but the problem here is people are also being non-discerning in an effort to appear non-judging.

 

A political example here (and again, apologies to those who fall into the partisan divide, particularly Americans): in the vein of John Locke, I don't agree with someone's opinion, but I will fight for their right to speak it, so when someone in Berkeley says something in the vein of white nationalism and calling dark-skinned individuals like me part of the problem of the eroding identity of America, I consider why he says that even if I am biting my tongue already and know that he may not view me fairly because of his bias, but I win because I have heard and considered him and done my own investigation through both dialogue with him and research about his views. I lose if I am the Progressive idiot who punches him in the face because even if his views are alarmingly bigoted, I feed the bigotry by resorting to violence. (Disclaimer: I am a Progressive-leaning political Moderate, but find both parties disappointing).

 

So in order to protect people's speaking privilege here, mods step in before they see someone potentially being punched in the face or what they see as a perceived threat of a punch, and I leave it to your imagination to figure out how that translates to online communication. Whether you are actually going to proceed to punch them in the face and if that is actually your intent are two entirely different things, again subject to debate and what they see. 

 

I apologize to everyone for this long-winded post and hope my view has offered some insights. I am uninterested in participating any further on this thread because Flowing Hands has already made his point, the mods have made theirs, the new direction of this thread is a repeat of something else I have already experienced, and I have spoken my piece on this as an individual member. 

 

In the words of Rodney King: "Can we just get along?"

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I'm finished here really, Its not a Dao forum. Many proper Daoist pop their heads in and disappear quite quickly, they don't have the stamina that the few here have to keep going. I go in the DDJ section and stimulate some thought I hope, but really the amount of people that post on this section is very little. There is no sections put specifically for Dao practices for people to post in like martial art, qigong, Daoist rituals and rites, Dao medicine and healing, Daoist magic, meduimship etc. Immortals their history, Daoist novels and characters.All very important aspects of being a Daoist and not just the western view of a dry old philosophy that is used by many here to enhance their own belief systems. Perhaps the person who owns this site could take notice. Really the site needs to rename itself and call itself just another spiritual forum, where Dao is given a small corner to be discussed. Probably a more honest realization.

 

Dao practices are unique amongst belief systems, but they are being infiltrated by other systems and religions. I can't believe the amount of video's about Daoism on Youtube that are made by Christians, explaining how a single God and Jesus come into Daoism. Its all an insidious way to convert people and total lies.

 

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30 minutes ago, flowing hands said:

 

There is no sections put specifically for Dao practices for people to post in like martial art, qigong, Daoist rituals and rites, Dao medicine and healing, Daoist magic, meduimship etc. Immortals their history, Daoist novels and characters.All very important aspects of being a Daoist 

 

But even if there were (and you have always been at liberty to start threads on the subject), this would still be an open forum based on a café model, which tend to deteriorate to a "pub at 22.00 friday night" - model, rather than an internet-based school setting. 

How long do you think it would take before those subjects went south? 

 

I believe that there were a suggestion about an area for teachers like a year ago, but that had a poor fit with the rest of the site. 

 

Maybe if you start a site yourself, you can mould it according to your vision. 

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4 hours ago, flowing hands said:

call itself just another spiritual forum

 

Tbh, its called dao bum, not dao overlord. 😂

Does anybody realize bum meaning?

 

Dao is not a belief system or a religion.

Someone's views and ideas got nothing to do with dao.

Dao is a part of this world, in true sense it is just a power, that is not even humane.

 

It does not even care about what you or anyone thinks about it.

 

I have never personally attacked you and never even claimed that you are a fraud (Bcz we never crossed roads, I could say things about mantak), but after this thread alone, I have huge doubts about your competency in any dao area.

You simply get too much triggered by things that are unworthy.

Your behaviour and way of thinking is that of a human being (this is not an insult right? lol).

 

Someone who would possess any dao power, would be way different.

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7 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

One of the biggest frustrations

 

Sometimes the problem is just caring too much about things,

 

and having high expectations,

 

I am always told that I lower myself too much by even going online and talking about smth with people who got no siddhi, is stupid.

 

But hey, we are just here for fun, take it easier.

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11 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Tbh, its called dao bum, not dao overlord. 😂

Does anybody realize bum meaning?

 

Dao is not a belief system or a religion.

Someone's views and ideas got nothing to do with dao.

Dao is a part of this world, in true sense it is just a power, that is not even humane.

 

It does not even care about what you or anyone thinks about it.

 

I have never personally attacked you and never even claimed that you are a fraud (Bcz we never crossed roads, I could say things about mantak), but after this thread alone, I have huge doubts about your competency in any dao area.

You simply get too much triggered by things that are unworthy.

Your behaviour and way of thinking is that of a human being (this is not an insult right? lol).

 

Someone who would possess any dao power, would be way different.

 

I am under the belief that we have both good and bad days and this is one of the few bad days we've seen for flowing hands here. Even the ascended masters like Jesus got angry and blew up or the goddesses like Chamundi are wrathful against those sincere adherents who stand in the way of awakening.

 

6 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Sometimes the problem is just caring too much about things,

 

and having high expectations,

 

I am always told that I lower myself too much by even going online and talking about smth with people who got no siddhi, is stupid.

 

But hey, we are just here for fun, take it easier.

 

There is fun but I'm also here out of duty to my teachers who often get mentioned here. I'm only responding because you quoted me, but if you want to carry this further, message me privately or go to my PPJ as I'm done with this thread. 

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1 hour ago, GSmaster said:

Someone who would possess any dao power, would be way different.

 

What is this 'dao power' that you speak of and how do you 'possess' it ?

 

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16 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

 

What is this 'dao power' that you speak of and how do you 'possess' it ?

 

Dao power is a planetary level power that exists for billions of years before any human was born.

 

Like any other power you possess it by merging with it.

 

Then it changes you.

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11 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

 

Dao power is a planetary level power that exists for billions of years before any human was born.

 

Like any other power you possess it by merging with it.

 

Then it changes you.

 

Then how did humans, like yourself, learn of this 'planetary level power' ?

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10 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

Then how did humans, like yourself, learn of this 'planetary level power

 

We are psychics and able to link ourselves into the planetary consciousness. 

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5 hours ago, Mudfoot said:

this would still be an open forum based on a café model, which tend to deteriorate to a "pub at 22.00 friday night" - model, rather than an internet-based school setting. 

 

I thought about making my own forum, but then realized I'd not be able to tolerate many things and many people, I'd just ban everyone and sit alone on closed forum, in the closed topic, staring at the white empty screen.

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6 hours ago, flowing hands said:

There is no sections put specifically for Dao practices for people to post in like martial art, qigong, Daoist rituals and rites, Dao medicine and healing, Daoist magic, meduimship etc. Immortals their history, Daoist novels and characters.All very important aspects of being a Daoist and not just the western view of a dry old philosophy that is used by many here to enhance their own belief systems.

 

The closest form area is here:

 

https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/413-systems-and-teachers-of/

 

 

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3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

Tbh, its called dao bum, not dao overlord. 😂

Does anybody realize bum meaning?

 

Dao is not a belief system or a religion.

Someone's views and ideas got nothing to do with dao.

Dao is a part of this world, in true sense it is just a power, that is not even humane.

 

It does not even care about what you or anyone thinks about it.

 

I have never personally attacked you and never even claimed that you are a fraud (Bcz we never crossed roads, I could say things about mantak), but after this thread alone, I have huge doubts about your competency in any dao area.

You simply get too much triggered by things that are unworthy.

Your behaviour and way of thinking is that of a human being (this is not an insult right? lol).

 

Someone who would possess any dao power, would be way different.

 

This is why I'm leaving, the BS on this site is getting worse and worse and worse :wacko:

I think you are very self opinionated behind your monkey mask and yet what have you offered to show us that you actually know anything other than subtle attacking other people, just cleverly keeping yourself from suspension? You appear to me to know very little other than your own over inflated ego tells you how wonderful you are and how not so wonderful others are in your self proclaimed opinion. Most people will say who their teacher is, so tell us we can examine your credentials. 

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2 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

We are psychics and able to link ourselves into the planetary consciousness

 

I haven't the foggiest what this means. 

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7 minutes ago, lifeforce said:

 

I haven't the foggiest what this means. 

 

No wonder.

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