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  1. You do know that goes against history and doesn’t make any sense. Zen clearly refutes atman and places Brahman as inferior to the Buddha but you are saying that is lower level teachings? That for those advanced students all of that is just bs, it’s all the same? Yes we CAN agree to disagree.
  2. I would love to know of any Zen lineage holders who would say that the Buddha was wrong. Also, are you saying that all realizations are the same as stated by the hindu view regardless of tradition? Any such differences expressed are just misguided teachers/teachings?
  3. Gospel of Thomas

    This is one of the most misunderstood quotes in the Gospel of Thomas and yet it is one of my favorites. In just about every tradition there is recognition of two polarities, of Yin and Yang, Siva and Shakti of Male and Female aspects. When one moves beyond form or realizes the soul, emptiness of self in Buddhism you realize both aspects. Males realize the female, female realize the male. This is beyond a residing in, a feeling of energy and silence, it is a realization that they are one and the same. A true change in being. In Buddhism there are Buddha's with both male and female aspects if that helps anyone. Also, notice that Jesus is clearly saying that such realizations is not just for men.
  4. From the Pratyabhijnahrdayam The Secret of Self- Recognition Turiya, the fourth state of consciousness. When he is in deep sleep, he has no dreaming or waking consciousness. In every man, there is a fourth (turiya) state of consciousness also which is the witness of the other three states. Turiya is a relative term. It is in relation to the other three states that it is called turiya or fourth. There is no succession in turiya as there is in the other three states. It is ever present as the witnessing consciousness of the three states. Turyatita means transcending the fourth state. lt is a state beyond the turya. Turya is turiya (fourth) in relation to the three states of waking, dream and deep sleep; but in turyatita, the above three states as separate states disappear. Hence when the three states have disappeared, tarya can no longer be called turya. It is called turyatita in which the turya or fourth state has been transcended. It is a state where pure consciousness is like an ocean without any ruffle whatsoever, and is full of bliss. It is the consciousness of Siva himself or one who has reached that stage in which the entire universe appears as his Self. In turya, manas becomes attenuated; in turyatita it is dissolved in sakti. When the turya state becomes fully developed and reaches perfection, it is transformed into turyatita state. In this state, everything appears to the individual as Siva or Self.
  5. The thread was started with regard to the fact that Turiya is not the same thing as lucid dreaming. Throughout the thread in multiple traditions it has been shown that the two are not the same thing. Nobody has said there is not value in a dreaming practice, it just isn't Turiya . It seems you are arguing about something that hasn't been said by the OP.
  6. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    It is very possible historically and has been done many times in the bums chat room even.
  7. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    😊 How many of those that made the movies ever thought of the teachings as a more non dual way? I think we all know movies tend to take dramatic liberties.
  8. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    A sword is a figure of speech. Jesus came to wake people up, to challenge what was taught and to show the way. Doing so would cause conflict between father and son. We both know Jesus didn’t preach violence. If you would like continue along your point I am game.
  9. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    I think you are leaving things out of your story which would provide context.
  10. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    Honestly, He seems disappointed and sad rather than righteous anger. Of course the NIV version gives it a little different taste than the KJV that I prefer.
  11. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    Yes, it was much in line with what I was thinking. 39. Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so. As for you, be as sly as snakes and as simple as doves." With regard to condemning others, this verse comes to mind. Matthew 7 : 3 : Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
  12. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    I think you are confusing them and what people have done in their names. I would agree the path is not easy and takes effort until it is a being.
  13. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    The Pharisees? They sold prayers so I doubt they would agree with me. Your right not everyone will but again work on what you can and that is you. The manifestation of the Primordial State in all its aspects,its "clarity," on the other hand, is called the nature. It is saidto be "self-perfected" (lhun grub), because it exists spontaneouslyfrom the beginning, like the sun which shines inspace. Clarity is the pure quality of all thought and of allperceived phenomena, uncontaminated by mental judgment. For example, when we see a flower, we first perceiveits image without the mind entering into judgment, even ifthis phase of perception only lasts for a fraction of a second.Then, in a second phase, mental judgment enters into thesituation and one categorizes the perception, thinking,"That's a flower, it's red, it has a specific scent, and so on."Developing from this, attachment and aversion, acceptanceand rejection all arise, with the consequent creation of karma and transmigration. Clarity is the phase in which perceptionis vivid and present, but the mind has not yet enteredinto action. It is the spontaneous manifestation of theindividual's state. The same is true for thoughts: if we don'tfollow them, and don't become caught up in mental judgment,they too are part of our natural clarity. Edit: I am not sure why it is copying in green..
  14. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    That is the path, look what Jesus did, the Buddha did. It is not pointing out the wrong in others. Passing laws, taking things from others, condemning others for their views and beliefs. Yes, if everyone worked on themselves instead of thinking the issues was everyone else the world would be a much better place. You would have less greed, lust for power, less self centerness, less want for desires to control, you would have a lot less pain and a whole lot more heart. While we may have started the journey inwards, I think we can all acknowledge there is much more clarity to realize.
  15. "Righteous" Anger & Rage?

    I was answering his questions honestly. More , it seems you find my posts to add no value and are dismissing my answers. Doing what you are warning me about. No worries, enjoy the thread, I will stay out of it.